From rhkramer at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 06:52:11 2011
From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 07:52:11 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Fwd: [emmausfreecycle] OFFER: RE-OFFER: glass baby food
	jars (Lower Macungie)
Message-ID: <201109030752.11462.rhkramer@gmail.com>

I remember baby food jars being mentioned on this list--I forget whether 
someone had them or wanted them, but if somebody wants some, you might see 
the attached email.

Randy Kramer
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Tue Sep  6 09:30:12 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:30:12 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] I tried to upload a file to the wiki
In-Reply-To: <CAJeZOyGwnYpKdkh81+JGsrta+gcqiEZw=huwmXCzVMVZm7CY0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJeZOyGwnYpKdkh81+JGsrta+gcqiEZw=huwmXCzVMVZm7CY0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANyh6Vtwb30Q91sY088RbyJDkzVoXw6-RbVnD-RYN2VqU_dH8Q@mail.gmail.com>

I adjusted the file extensions available. I have determined that the
png uploaded correctly, but has a permission problem. I haven't
figured out why yet.

JSR/

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:
> For as much as as I am a fan of wikis and that I've set them up, you'd think
> I would know a bit more about how to use them.
> First I tried to upload a Google Sketchup SKP file, but it only allows png,
> jpg, jpeg, gif. ?I would bet this is a setting, right? ?Should we allow 7z,
> zip, skp, ods, odt, odp, odg... others?
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads#Configuring_file_types
> Then I tried to upload a PNG, but it came out blank.
> http://makelehighvalley.com/index.php?title=File:81C14.png
> I'm really not sure of the cause here. ?Any ideas?
> Scott (maybe Josiah), could you look into this? Or can someone tell me what
> I did wrong?
> Thanks,
> Ellis
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
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>



From david at davincisciencecenter.org  Tue Sep  6 20:13:02 2011
From: david at davincisciencecenter.org (David Smith)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:13:02 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Looking for volunteers to work with kids on inventions,
	science
Message-ID: <CAKY0pFSm5o38hokK7NhQKmwTNk6daZ2qfHVj5RoRMootfjfMaw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

The Da Vinci Science Center, where I work is looking for volunteers with
science/engineering/inventing/tinkering/hacking backgrounds to facilitate
two programs for the children of Center members.  Below is a brief "job
description" for the work and the two programs we plan to offer.  You can
contact me, david at davincisciencecenter.org or Julie Gannaway, who
coordinates these programs, julie at davincisciencecenter.org if you are
interested, or if you have questions.

Dave Smith

The Da Vinci Science Center is seeking volunteer science professionals to
facilitate the multi-session Lab programs that are open to Center member
households. Children of Da Vinci Science Center members are eligible to join
the Da Vinci Discovery Club which provides exclusive access to the Labs as
well as other Center programming. The Labs take place on the second Saturday
of each month from 9:30-11:30am from October to May.



Facilitators are provided with a curriculum and Center educators and staff
are on hand during each session to provide classroom support. In addition to
the sessions facilitators are asked to attend 1-2 planning meetings in
September prior to the start of the Lab sessions and a review meeting in
May. Attendance at all sessions is ideal but not a requirement. A schedule
will be arranged at the planning sessions prior to the start of the Labs.
See below for detailed descriptions of the Lab programs.

* *

While the Center provides a set curriculum for both programs, facilitators
are encouraged to tailor their sessions to the interest and skill level of
the participating children. Mentoring is a big part of the value of the Lab
sessions and facilitators are encouraged to offer guidance and advice to
children interested in continuing their science education and exploring
science-related careers.



Session materials are prepared and distributed by Center staff. Facilitators
may request additional materials and/or supplies in advance of the session
and Center staff will prepare and distribute any materials. Volunteer
facilitators will be required to obtain a Pennsylvania Child Abuse Clearance
and a Criminal Background check.



*Inventor?s Lab*

*5th graders and up *

The Inventor?s Lab is an 8-session monthly program from October to May in
which children, 5th grade and up, with the help of professional scientists,
are introduced to all aspects of the invention process including lateral
thinking, the patent process and future career paths. Lab participants come
up with their own idea and, with the mentoring of our volunteer facilitators
and staff educators, develop their ideas and present them to a panel of
patent attorneys during the final session.



*Leo?s Discovery Lab *

*1st ? 4th graders*

Leo?s Discovery Lab is a series of monthly programs from October to May for
1st through 4th graders. The Lab is designed to introduce children to the
fundamentals of the scientific method and various scientific concepts with
fun, hands-on activities. Children might enjoy learning about chemistry
while making their own ?slime? or* *explore the hidden worlds of ecology and
entomology right in the Center?s backyard. Each session is designed to stand
alone and kids may choose to attend some or all of the sessions. A nominal
materials fee applies to each session, payable at the door. A full schedule
with session descriptions and fees can be found *here.*


-- 
David L. Smith, Ph.D.
Director, Teacher Professional Development



3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
Allentown, PA 18103-3686
484-664-1002 x111
david at davincisciencecenter.org
http://www.davincisciencecenter.org


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From saxywolf at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 20:09:35 2011
From: saxywolf at gmail.com (Ellis Farmer)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:09:35 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] MLV Reminder: Space will be open tonight
Message-ID: <CAJeZOyH0CO5-8=JoYyKRbo7kVhTSLurS3GmQdmMtUqiapYr=XQ@mail.gmail.com>

Tomorrow (Thursday), the space is open 6:30pm-9:30pm

As a side note: I expect to be there, though there is a chance work will get
in the way.

-Ellis
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From rob at pabut.org  Wed Sep  7 20:28:10 2011
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:28:10 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Welding
Message-ID: <CAE1O4xp0AtjrtarmSB91A3zSQ5gxO_zOsJn30-9UqH8ZcFonrA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey .... are there welders out there ????

It's a skill I want to learn .... but by my calculation it would cost me
about $500 to get started with ARC welding .... that's including a welder
... saftey gear .... 220V 50A electric outlet in the garage ....

A bit more the $20 for a soldering iron and a spool of solder :)

Anyway ... looking for some start-up advice .....

Thanks!!

--> Rob
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From whatever at taggers.org  Wed Sep  7 22:39:00 2011
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 23:39:00 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Welding
In-Reply-To: <CAE1O4xp0AtjrtarmSB91A3zSQ5gxO_zOsJn30-9UqH8ZcFonrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE1O4xp0AtjrtarmSB91A3zSQ5gxO_zOsJn30-9UqH8ZcFonrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E6838D4.6000503@taggers.org>

we already have tanks for oxy-accediline(spelling) welding,  while i can 
sorta weld i don't think i'm skilled enough to teach...

theoretically i have a mask, striker, and torch as well... if i can just 
find them

On 9/7/2011 9:28 PM, Rob wrote:
> Hey .... are there welders out there ????
>
> It's a skill I want to learn .... but by my calculation it would cost 
> me about $500 to get started with ARC welding .... that's including a 
> welder ... saftey gear .... 220V 50A electric outlet in the garage ....
>
> A bit more the $20 for a soldering iron and a spool of solder :)
>
> Anyway ... looking for some start-up advice .....
>
> Thanks!!
>
> --> Rob
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com

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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 09:10:07 2011
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:10:07 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] MLV Reminder: Space will be open tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAJeZOyH0CO5-8=JoYyKRbo7kVhTSLurS3GmQdmMtUqiapYr=XQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJeZOyH0CO5-8=JoYyKRbo7kVhTSLurS3GmQdmMtUqiapYr=XQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8063XnSuXOv8T_nFdcNhZ3uWgs0fOr-Deyf4Opwhqccq=RcQ@mail.gmail.com>

I know I can't make it toniht because the 33 is chewed up due to the rain.
It took me over 2 hours to make a 30 minute drive. How's the flooding near
the space?

-Will
 On Sep 7, 2011 9:10 PM, "Ellis Farmer" <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:
> Tomorrow (Thursday), the space is open 6:30pm-9:30pm
>
> As a side note: I expect to be there, though there is a chance work will
get
> in the way.
>
> -Ellis
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Thu Sep  8 09:27:48 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:27:48 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] MLV Reminder: Space will be open tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063XnSuXOv8T_nFdcNhZ3uWgs0fOr-Deyf4Opwhqccq=RcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJeZOyH0CO5-8=JoYyKRbo7kVhTSLurS3GmQdmMtUqiapYr=XQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO8063XnSuXOv8T_nFdcNhZ3uWgs0fOr-Deyf4Opwhqccq=RcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANyh6VsDujBvjRjeSTBpzNDVP0XzKQDeLbXAM4itXTThqHmp8w@mail.gmail.com>

Flooding near the space should not be a problem. I don't know about
the bridge up from MLK, but other places along that same river haven't
been a problem and there are easily other ways in. I can't think of
any place from 78/Lehigh intersection over to the space that would be
a problem. If you can make it to Lehigh, you shouldn't have any
problem (unless Matthew says any different).

JSR/

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
> I know I can't make it toniht because the 33 is chewed up due to the rain.
> It took me over 2 hours to make a 30 minute drive. How's the flooding near
> the space?
>
> -Will
>
> On Sep 7, 2011 9:10 PM, "Ellis Farmer" <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tomorrow (Thursday), the space is open 6:30pm-9:30pm
>>
>> As a side note: I expect to be there, though there is a chance work will
>> get
>> in the way.
>>
>> -Ellis
>
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>
>



From matuerk at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 09:36:18 2011
From: matuerk at gmail.com (Matthew Tuerk)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:36:18 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] MLV Reminder: Space will be open tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063XnSuXOv8T_nFdcNhZ3uWgs0fOr-Deyf4Opwhqccq=RcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJeZOyH0CO5-8=JoYyKRbo7kVhTSLurS3GmQdmMtUqiapYr=XQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO8063XnSuXOv8T_nFdcNhZ3uWgs0fOr-Deyf4Opwhqccq=RcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E56001E8-8E94-4300-88C4-E8C5D0A4653F@gmail.com>

No flooding near the space. MLK Blvd is passable.

Matthew Tuerk
matuerk at gmail.com

On Sep 8, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Will wrote:

> I know I can't make it toniht because the 33 is chewed up due to the rain. It took me over 2 hours to make a 30 minute drive. How's the flooding near the space?
> 
> -Will
> On Sep 7, 2011 9:10 PM, "Ellis Farmer" <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Tomorrow (Thursday), the space is open 6:30pm-9:30pm
> > 
> > As a side note: I expect to be there, though there is a chance work will get
> > in the way.
> > 
> > -Ellis
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
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From saxywolf at gmail.com  Fri Sep  9 10:58:39 2011
From: saxywolf at gmail.com (Ellis Farmer)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 11:58:39 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
In-Reply-To: <CAN4=021_4P6=irBRh+so8hYHVtzP+Z0OvD3_i7pGnw9dJcDrrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN4=021_4P6=irBRh+so8hYHVtzP+Z0OvD3_i7pGnw9dJcDrrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJeZOyEOdp7HA6uwt++sqspFw2+q-Y9=z-b6C7tgzwYbmJ=GaQ@mail.gmail.com>

I picked some lights up from Home Depot (I had a gift card) and some cheap
jars from Walmart (I don't think they look quite as nice as the $3-$4 glass
top jars at Hobby Lobby and require a bit more elbow grease to construct,
but definitely cheaper).

I left a bunch of the lights and jars at the space if anyone wants to try
their hand at it (though not the marbles nor frost spray).  We used tin
snips to cut 4 tabs (bent up) in the jar's screw top lid and simply used
those tabs to hold the  the brown plastic casing of the lamps.  We used
black electrical tape to cover the sides of the lid and plastic, but... it
doesn't look as fancy as those made with glass top jars.

I was disappointed as to how the frosting spray I picked up at Hobby Lobby
worked.  It was basically trying to spray paint glass by spraying parallel
with the glass.  Either you don't put enough on the sides to disperse the
light (assuming you don't have a lot of time to wait for it to dry, put
another coat on, repeat ad nauseum) OR when you put enough on it it then
runs like wet paint and is then very uneven.  I would like to find something
that would only take a few minutes to frost it.  I'm thinking some kind of
acid.  Otherwise, a roll of tracing paper might work.  Andrew suggested
sandpaper, so I'll try that too.  Any idea how they did it in the tutorials?

Filling the jars I picked up with clear(ish) marbles didn't really work.
 They aren't very small jars as the LED walkway lights I picked up had a big
disk that the solar panel was embedded in and so I needed larger diameter
lids.  The top marbles would light up, but not the bottom ones so the light
pattern cast seemed dark.  However, filling it up only 1/3 (or even not at
all because the jars I picked up have some patterns in the glass) casts a
much brighter and more interesting pattern.  One idea we had was to extend
the LED to hang in the center of the jar if the jar is full of the marbles.

The jars will require super bright LEDs as Jonah replaced one with a
standard orange one (from Radioshack?), and it is only enough to make the
jar glow in the dark (not light up anything around it).

I'm thinking we can make something we can sell at a fair or provide all the
parts for them to make at the fair similar to how you see people making
their own sand art.  They could frost it, use tracing paper, marbles, change
the LED... whatever makery they wanted to do, and we would assist them.  or
they could just buy a finished jar.  A small display case that shows it off
in the dark would probably be a good idea since it probably won't be dark at
most fairs.

-Ellis
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From saxywolf at gmail.com  Fri Sep  9 11:02:34 2011
From: saxywolf at gmail.com (Ellis Farmer)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:02:34 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Member/Visitor Map
Message-ID: <CAJeZOyFjoeZWuh8JYNb3=RN4vW5ZnmSqgxGma6bv-0y6hjOEFA@mail.gmail.com>

It isn't people's actual addresses, but a nearby major intersection or
something.

Let me know if you don't want your name on the map (or if you would prefer
not to have a marker at all).

http://g.co/maps/nbabj

-Ellis
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Sep  9 12:54:53 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:54:53 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Member/Visitor Map
In-Reply-To: <CAJeZOyFjoeZWuh8JYNb3=RN4vW5ZnmSqgxGma6bv-0y6hjOEFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJeZOyFjoeZWuh8JYNb3=RN4vW5ZnmSqgxGma6bv-0y6hjOEFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANyh6VsJQ-DaoMAEGU5OkXwvAdQcG9-FJzs=kKDhRJ2ww6dWVg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Ellis.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:

> It isn't people's actual addresses, but a nearby major intersection or
> something.
>
> Let me know if you don't want your name on the map (or if you would prefer
> not to have a marker at all).
>
> http://g.co/maps/nbabj
>
> -Ellis
>
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>
> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>
>
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From nathan.n.powell at gmail.com  Fri Sep  9 19:16:06 2011
From: nathan.n.powell at gmail.com (Nathan Powell)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 20:16:06 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
In-Reply-To: <CAJeZOyEOdp7HA6uwt++sqspFw2+q-Y9=z-b6C7tgzwYbmJ=GaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN4=021_4P6=irBRh+so8hYHVtzP+Z0OvD3_i7pGnw9dJcDrrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJeZOyEOdp7HA6uwt++sqspFw2+q-Y9=z-b6C7tgzwYbmJ=GaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+WCMTzroJ5g8NCz4NNddswh7EytU76dOt+VXoOhQJJ8f0vbqQ@mail.gmail.com>

My father and I used to frost glass w/ a sandblaster. Worked extremely
nicely, and regular electrical tape is tough enough to use as a stenciling
medium (2 layers recommended). Sanding would probably work too, on the basis
of being roughly the same thing slowed down, but if we're talking about
selling kits for money it may be a bit too much elbow grease for an actual
production method.


On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:

> I picked some lights up from Home Depot (I had a gift card) and some cheap
> jars from Walmart (I don't think they look quite as nice as the $3-$4 glass
> top jars at Hobby Lobby and require a bit more elbow grease to construct,
> but definitely cheaper).
>
> I left a bunch of the lights and jars at the space if anyone wants to try
> their hand at it (though not the marbles nor frost spray).  We used tin
> snips to cut 4 tabs (bent up) in the jar's screw top lid and simply used
> those tabs to hold the  the brown plastic casing of the lamps.  We used
> black electrical tape to cover the sides of the lid and plastic, but... it
> doesn't look as fancy as those made with glass top jars.
>
> I was disappointed as to how the frosting spray I picked up at Hobby Lobby
> worked.  It was basically trying to spray paint glass by spraying parallel
> with the glass.  Either you don't put enough on the sides to disperse the
> light (assuming you don't have a lot of time to wait for it to dry, put
> another coat on, repeat ad nauseum) OR when you put enough on it it then
> runs like wet paint and is then very uneven.  I would like to find something
> that would only take a few minutes to frost it.  I'm thinking some kind of
> acid.  Otherwise, a roll of tracing paper might work.  Andrew suggested
> sandpaper, so I'll try that too.  Any idea how they did it in the tutorials?
>
> Filling the jars I picked up with clear(ish) marbles didn't really work.
>  They aren't very small jars as the LED walkway lights I picked up had a big
> disk that the solar panel was embedded in and so I needed larger diameter
> lids.  The top marbles would light up, but not the bottom ones so the light
> pattern cast seemed dark.  However, filling it up only 1/3 (or even not at
> all because the jars I picked up have some patterns in the glass) casts a
> much brighter and more interesting pattern.  One idea we had was to extend
> the LED to hang in the center of the jar if the jar is full of the marbles.
>
> The jars will require super bright LEDs as Jonah replaced one with a
> standard orange one (from Radioshack?), and it is only enough to make the
> jar glow in the dark (not light up anything around it).
>
> I'm thinking we can make something we can sell at a fair or provide all the
> parts for them to make at the fair similar to how you see people making
> their own sand art.  They could frost it, use tracing paper, marbles, change
> the LED... whatever makery they wanted to do, and we would assist them.  or
> they could just buy a finished jar.  A small display case that shows it off
> in the dark would probably be a good idea since it probably won't be dark at
> most fairs.
>
> -Ellis
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>
> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
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From saxywolf at gmail.com  Fri Sep  9 21:22:21 2011
From: saxywolf at gmail.com (Ellis Farmer)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 22:22:21 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
In-Reply-To: <CA+WCMTzroJ5g8NCz4NNddswh7EytU76dOt+VXoOhQJJ8f0vbqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN4=021_4P6=irBRh+so8hYHVtzP+Z0OvD3_i7pGnw9dJcDrrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJeZOyEOdp7HA6uwt++sqspFw2+q-Y9=z-b6C7tgzwYbmJ=GaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+WCMTzroJ5g8NCz4NNddswh7EytU76dOt+VXoOhQJJ8f0vbqQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Well, keeping in line with the idea that they would make the kit at the
booth... I don't think a sand blaster nor acid would be a really good idea
to have there.  I agree that Sandpaper would probably still require too much
elbow grease... I'll have to give it a try to see if it is effective enough.
 What about a wire brush drill bit?  Still not something I'd recommend
having at a booth though, and not a tool I'd expect anyone just picking up a
kit to bring home would have either.  Maybe we should pre-frost them?  I'd
still rather find a way for them to take it from step 1 to completion
though.  Only thing I can think of is a weaker acid that would require a bit
more time to affect the glass (so, hopefully safer).
-Ellis


On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Nathan Powell <nathan.n.powell at gmail.com>wrote:

> My father and I used to frost glass w/ a sandblaster. Worked extremely
> nicely, and regular electrical tape is tough enough to use as a stenciling
> medium (2 layers recommended). Sanding would probably work too, on the basis
> of being roughly the same thing slowed down, but if we're talking about
> selling kits for money it may be a bit too much elbow grease for an actual
> production method.
>
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From vjahg at comcast.net  Fri Sep  9 23:38:41 2011
From: vjahg at comcast.net (Vincent Albicelli)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 00:38:41 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
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Hi folks,

I'm afraid I haven't been able to get to any meetings, but as a long time lurker and glass artist, this is actually a topic I have some experience with. After many years of experimenting with ways of making glass translucent, my preferred method is with a sandblaster. Hydrofluoric acid is really the only acid that will "properly" etch glass, but being both poisonous and corrosive, it's hardly ever used in the US anymore (underwritten chemistry labs can't carry it from my understanding). Weaker ammonium, potassium, or sodium bifluoride etching compounds are more often used these days and are available in both paste and liquid forms. I've used it a few times and while it doesn't provide as nice an etch as hydrofluoric acid and takes a LOT longer (10-15 minutes for a good, even frosting to develop), it also doesn't require a dedicated EPA liaison to use and dispose of it. Biggest drawback on it is price - even at my wholesale rate, it's cost prohibitive next to the blaster. While it can be reused, it gets weaker with each use so it takes even longer. Also, "safer than HF" is relative; you still don't want to get the stuff on you, and cleanup/disposal would be problematic outside of a studio space with access to lots of cold, running water. Good thinking too with the wire brushes, but glass is a lot harder than steel or brass - I tried it early on to see if it would work, but now use a wire brush in the drill to remove excess kiln wash that may have stuck to a piece without damaging it. I occasionally use diamond wheels or compound in the drill to get specific surface effects, but it takes time and grinding glass is definitely not something you want to do at a booth. I'd offer to sandblast the jars ahead of time myself, but my coldworking shop got badly flooded and we're still assessing what equipment (or the building, even) can be salvaged; in any case, I'm not going to be running the blaster for the foreseeable future. On the plus side, this may be a sign that I need to rebuild that space with a dedicated blasting room to do really big stuff. Or build a laser engraver... ;)

I do like the idea of using an etched vinyl film or tracing paper like you suggested earlier. It'd be fairly straightforward to cut to the proper size beforehand so all folks would have to do is stick it in the jar, and you wouldn't have to worry about spills or compressors at the booth. One other possibility that folks would be able to do themselves at the booth would be to brush a light coat of petroleum jelly on the inside of the jars; I've used that to great effect for certain projects when I've wanted to distort the optical clarity of the glass and was looking for something a little more interesting than the standard frosting. Can be messy, but it's cheap, looks good, and could be something else you may want to play with. Similar a longer lasting would be clear silicon for caulking, but it'd have to be done ahead of time. Hope this helps.

Vince

On Sep 9, 2011, at 10:22 PM, Ellis Farmer wrote:

> Well, keeping in line with the idea that they would make the kit at the booth... I don't think a sand blaster nor acid would be a really good idea to have there.  I agree that Sandpaper would probably still require too much elbow grease... I'll have to give it a try to see if it is effective enough.  What about a wire brush drill bit?  Still not something I'd recommend having at a booth though, and not a tool I'd expect anyone just picking up a kit to bring home would have either.  Maybe we should pre-frost them?  I'd still rather find a way for them to take it from step 1 to completion though.  Only thing I can think of is a weaker acid that would require a bit more time to affect the glass (so, hopefully safer).
> -Ellis
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Nathan Powell <nathan.n.powell at gmail.com> wrote:
> My father and I used to frost glass w/ a sandblaster. Worked extremely nicely, and regular electrical tape is tough enough to use as a stenciling medium (2 layers recommended). Sanding would probably work too, on the basis of being roughly the same thing slowed down, but if we're talking about selling kits for money it may be a bit too much elbow grease for an actual production method.
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From whatever at taggers.org  Sat Sep 10 00:36:05 2011
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 01:36:05 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
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we can totally get far brighter leds then that....
http://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/component-leds/rgb-slow-color-changing-led/778/1229/ 
for example one of those color change dealies i was talking about.





From nathan.n.powell at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 06:51:19 2011
From: nathan.n.powell at gmail.com (Nathan Powell)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 07:51:19 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
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With a blast cabinet<http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/ECONOLINE-Abrasive-Blast-Cabinet-3Z848?Pid=search>sandblasting
is relatively safe for the inexperienced masses, especially if
it had a turntable rigged up in it so all people would do is pull the
trigger on an already mounted gun. I'd foresee more of a problem figuring
out how to muffle a compressor without also causing major overheating.
If people are doing the frosting themselves, sandpaper strikes me as less of
an issue. It's labor intensive, but it's not our labor intensive while also
adding a sense of genuine DIY-ness. Since jars are a simple shape, a belt
sander might work, but then we're right back to safety issues, although
without the added risk of hearing damage.
I do have access to a sandblaster (which hasn't been flooded recently) so I
could possibly follow through on Vincent's offer to pre-frost. Assuming the
current setup has the oomph to do so effectively and I can rig up something
to catch sand for reuse.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, keeping in line with the idea that they would make the kit at the
> booth... I don't think a sand blaster nor acid would be a really good idea
> to have there.  I agree that Sandpaper would probably still require too much
> elbow grease... I'll have to give it a try to see if it is effective enough.
>  What about a wire brush drill bit?  Still not something I'd recommend
> having at a booth though, and not a tool I'd expect anyone just picking up a
> kit to bring home would have either.  Maybe we should pre-frost them?  I'd
> still rather find a way for them to take it from step 1 to completion
> though.  Only thing I can think of is a weaker acid that would require a bit
> more time to affect the glass (so, hopefully safer).
> -Ellis
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Nathan Powell <nathan.n.powell at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> My father and I used to frost glass w/ a sandblaster. Worked extremely
>> nicely, and regular electrical tape is tough enough to use as a stenciling
>> medium (2 layers recommended). Sanding would probably work too, on the basis
>> of being roughly the same thing slowed down, but if we're talking about
>> selling kits for money it may be a bit too much elbow grease for an actual
>> production method.
>>
>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Mon Sep 12 14:55:16 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:55:16 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] AVR Programming
Message-ID: <CANyh6Vv_xxetzhaY3Mpbi=n5TZGodB1DYWJg1jr1tHvGy7A4Kg@mail.gmail.com>

We've talked about putting together a desk for microcontroller programming.
What hardware and software will we need to do that well? I know a Linux box
with avrdude can handle the software side of things, but how about the
hardware?

This popped into my head again because of the latest related hardware from
adafruit: http://ladyada.net/library/tools/standaloneisp.html

JSR/
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 17:29:32 2011
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:29:32 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] AVR Programming
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You need a programmer.
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php
(friend of mine, you can talk to him on #avr on freenode or in
#robotics).
Other fun tools (that are free) would be the Eclipse IDE. For
starters, always good to get some LED's make sure a few are infrared.
As we move past blinking lights we'll work on things such as motor
controls or wireless communications (with infrared!). If you don't
have them, bread boards and see if you go to adafruit or some place
and get a lot of through hole resistors.

-Will

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Josiah Ritchie
<josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
> We've talked about putting together a desk for microcontroller programming.
> What hardware and software will we need to do that well? I know a Linux box
> with avrdude can handle the software side of things, but how about the
> hardware?
> This popped into my head again because of the latest related hardware from
> adafruit:?http://ladyada.net/library/tools/standaloneisp.html
> JSR/
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Mon Sep 12 20:44:40 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:44:40 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] AVR Programming
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How does the AVR mcu connect to that device?

JSR/

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> You need a programmer.
>
> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php
> (friend of mine, you can talk to him on #avr on freenode or in
> #robotics).
> Other fun tools (that are free) would be the Eclipse IDE. For
> starters, always good to get some LED's make sure a few are infrared.
> As we move past blinking lights we'll work on things such as motor
> controls or wireless communications (with infrared!). If you don't
> have them, bread boards and see if you go to adafruit or some place
> and get a lot of through hole resistors.
>
> -Will
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Josiah Ritchie
> <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
> > We've talked about putting together a desk for microcontroller
> programming.
> > What hardware and software will we need to do that well? I know a Linux
> box
> > with avrdude can handle the software side of things, but how about the
> > hardware?
> > This popped into my head again because of the latest related hardware
> from
> > adafruit: http://ladyada.net/library/tools/standaloneisp.html
> > JSR/
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 22:16:45 2011
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:16:45 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] AVR Programming
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Yes. That device only connects to the microcontroller for programming and
(nice part about atmel) when you want to do in circuit debugging. That same
featire from microchip will set you back about $300 easy. Also, you don't
need linux. Ypu can use avr dude in windows.

-Will

On Sep 12, 2011 9:44 PM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
>
> How does the AVR mcu connect to that device?
>
> JSR/
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You need a programmer.
>>
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php
>> (friend of mine, you can talk to him on #avr on freenode or in
>> #robotics).
>> Other fun tools (that are free) would be the Eclipse IDE. For
>> starters, always good to get some LED's make sure a few are infrared.
>> As we move past blinking lights we'll work on things such as motor
>> controls or wireless communications (with infrared!). If you don't
>> have them, bread boards and see if you go to adafruit or some place
>> and get a lot of through hole resistors.
>>
>> -Will
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Josiah Ritchie
>> <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
>> > We've talked about putting together a desk for microcontroller
programming.
>> > What hardware and software will we need to do that well? I know a Linux
box
>> > with avrdude can handle the software side of things, but how about the
>> > hardware?
>> > This popped into my head again because of the latest related hardware
from
>> > adafruit: http://ladyada.net/library/tools/standaloneisp.html
>> > JSR/
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Tue Sep 13 08:32:55 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:55 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
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Vincent, thanks for letting us know we have a glass artist among us. That's
great!

Could we mount the sandpaper on the end of a drill to improve speed? I'm
thinking dremel style. We could even mount the drill in a vice or something
(or get a big electric motor instead of a drill)  and then they could just
worry about handling the jar while sanding.

If we could offer some pre-frosted, we'd be able to offer a faster
experience with less exposure to high powered and potentially dangerous
tools for the younger audience. This may be a good option.

Jonas' ideas about options of LEDs seems pretty cool also. We could charge
them $5 for the multi-color changing LED upgrade and they'd get a much more
dynamic project.

Great discussion guys! I'm imagining little kids and even adults getting
really excited about this.

JSR/

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Nathan Powell <nathan.n.powell at gmail.com>wrote:

> With a blast ca binet<http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/ECONOLINE-Abrasive-Blast-Cabinet-3Z848?Pid=search>sandblasting is relatively safe for the inexperienced masses, especially if
> it had a turntable rigged up in it so all people would do is pull the
> trigger on an already mounted gun. I'd foresee more of a problem figuring
> out how to muffle a compressor without also causing major overheating.
> If people are doing the frosting themselves, sandpaper strikes me as less
> of an issue. It's labor intensive, but it's not our labor intensive while
> also adding a sense of genuine DIY-ness. Since jars are a simple shape, a
> belt sander might work, but then we're right back to safety issues, although
> without the added risk of hearing damage.
> I do have access to a sandblaster (which hasn't been flooded recently) so I
> could possibly follow through on Vincent's offer to pre-frost. Assuming the
> current setup has the oomph to do so effectively and I can rig up something
> to catch sand for reuse.
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, keeping in line with the idea that they would make the kit at the
>> booth... I don't think a sand blaster nor acid would be a really good idea
>> to have there.  I agree that Sandpaper would probably still require too much
>> elbow grease... I'll have to give it a try to see if it is effective enough.
>>  What about a wire brush drill bit?  Still not something I'd recommend
>> having at a booth though, and not a tool I'd expect anyone just picking up a
>> kit to bring home would have either.  Maybe we should pre-frost them?  I'd
>> still rather find a way for them to take it from step 1 to completion
>> though.  Only thing I can think of is a weaker acid that would require a bit
>> more time to affect the glass (so, hopefully safer).
>>  -Ellis
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Nathan Powell <nathan.n.powell at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> My father and I used to frost glass w/ a sandblaster. Worked extremely
>>> nicely, and regular electrical tape is tough enough to use as a stenciling
>>> medium (2 layers recommended). Sanding would probably work too, on the basis
>>> of being roughly the same thing slowed down, but if we're talking about
>>> selling kits for money it may be a bit too much elbow grease for an actual
>>> production method.
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>
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From joe at dunfee.com  Tue Sep 13 15:35:27 2011
From: joe at dunfee.com (Joe Dunfee)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:35:27 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea (Josiah Ritchie)
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I don't know the lighting situation at the venue you are planing to 
offer this workshop, but one thing you might want to keep in mind is 
how the finished product will look in that situation.  If you are 
dealing outdoors with sunlight, you are not going to be able to show 
off the finished product at its best.  So, customers may be less 
likely to want to buy, vs. something that shows well in the same situation.

If you are indoors, then perhaps it would be good to build a tent 
structure of some sort, with black cloth.  This way, you can put the 
working lights in a situation where they can show their stuff.


Joe Dunfee  joe at dunfee.com
Gordonville, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. 




From whatever at taggers.org  Tue Sep 13 22:44:26 2011
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:44:26 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea (Josiah Ritchie)
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its probably wired so the solar cell turns off the light, so this should 
be easy enough to fix for demonstration purposes.
On 9/13/2011 4:35 PM, Joe Dunfee wrote:
> I don't know the lighting situation at the venue you are planing to 
> offer this workshop, but one thing you might want to keep in mind is 
> how the finished product will look in that situation.  If you are 
> dealing outdoors with sunlight, you are not going to be able to show 
> off the finished product at its best.  So, customers may be less 
> likely to want to buy, vs. something that shows well in the same 
> situation.
>
> If you are indoors, then perhaps it would be good to build a tent 
> structure of some sort, with black cloth.  This way, you can put the 
> working lights in a situation where they can show their stuff.
>
>
> Joe Dunfee  joe at dunfee.com
> Gordonville, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
>
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From saxywolf at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 07:43:47 2011
From: saxywolf at gmail.com (Ellis Farmer)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:43:47 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea (Josiah Ritchie)
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I don't think Joe was referring to getting the LED to light so much as
making the light produced look nice.  You can simply put a small piece of
tape over the light sensor to make it turn on, but if it is bright out, you
will not be able to even tell that it is on.  We want it to be on and look
good.

I suggested making a box into a display... but actually, I think taking
pictures of ones that are made would work better.

-Ellis
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From saxywolf at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 09:59:11 2011
From: saxywolf at gmail.com (Ellis Farmer)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:59:11 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] I tried to upload a file to the wiki
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Re: http://makelehighvalley.com/index.php?title=File:81C14.png

Maybe you have to enable png file display separately?  Although, this page
makes me think it is enabled by default...
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgTrustedMediaFormats
Was PNG upload blocked before? Maybe the file I uploaded only produced an
empty image (I should really try uploading another png...)?

When I clicked on the link however, I got a 403 forbidden error.  Maybe it
is blocked in a .htaccess file (or maybe it is an empty image)?

-Ellis


On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> I adjusted the file extensions available. I have determined that the
> png uploaded correctly, but has a permission problem. I haven't
> figured out why yet.
>
> JSR/
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From nathan.n.powell at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 21:42:14 2011
From: nathan.n.powell at gmail.com (Nathan Powell)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:42:14 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
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Tested out hand-frosting with sandpaper tonight. There's a slightly roughed
up bottle hanging out in the one locker with the other small bottles,
labeled by grit. General themes that emerged were A) use coarse grit, and B)
it's a right pain the butt. It does work, but took a while to get anything
like a decent frost going. I really don't have any way to gauge whether
somebody we're selling a kit to would want to do it themselves, but my for
my tastes hand sanding the surface would be borderline tedious.
I used aluminum oxide sandpaper, maybe one of the other types of abrasive
cut in more easily.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> Vincent, thanks for letting us know we have a glass artist among us. That's
> great!
>
> Could we mount the sandpaper on the end of a drill to improve speed? I'm
> thinking dremel style. We could even mount the drill in a vice or something
> (or get a big electric motor instead of a drill)  and then they could just
> worry about handling the jar while sanding.
>
> If we could offer some pre-frosted, we'd be able to offer a faster
> experience with less exposure to high powered and potentially dangerous
> tools for the younger audience. This may be a good option.
>
> Jonas' ideas about options of LEDs seems pretty cool also. We could charge
> them $5 for the multi-color changing LED upgrade and they'd get a much more
> dynamic project.
>
> Great discussion guys! I'm imagining little kids and even adults getting
> really excited about this.
>
> JSR/
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Nathan Powell <nathan.n.powell at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> With a blast ca binet<http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/ECONOLINE-Abrasive-Blast-Cabinet-3Z848?Pid=search>sandblasting is relatively safe for the inexperienced masses, especially if
>> it had a turntable rigged up in it so all people would do is pull the
>> trigger on an already mounted gun. I'd foresee more of a problem figuring
>> out how to muffle a compressor without also causing major overheating.
>> If people are doing the frosting themselves, sandpaper strikes me as less
>> of an issue. It's labor intensive, but it's not our labor intensive while
>> also adding a sense of genuine DIY-ness. Since jars are a simple shape, a
>> belt sander might work, but then we're right back to safety issues, although
>> without the added risk of hearing damage.
>> I do have access to a sandblaster (which hasn't been flooded recently) so
>> I could possibly follow through on Vincent's offer to pre-frost. Assuming
>> the current setup has the oomph to do so effectively and I can rig up
>> something to catch sand for reuse.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, keeping in line with the idea that they would make the kit at the
>>> booth... I don't think a sand blaster nor acid would be a really good idea
>>> to have there.  I agree that Sandpaper would probably still require too much
>>> elbow grease... I'll have to give it a try to see if it is effective enough.
>>>  What about a wire brush drill bit?  Still not something I'd recommend
>>> having at a booth though, and not a tool I'd expect anyone just picking up a
>>> kit to bring home would have either.  Maybe we should pre-frost them?  I'd
>>> still rather find a way for them to take it from step 1 to completion
>>> though.  Only thing I can think of is a weaker acid that would require a bit
>>> more time to affect the glass (so, hopefully safer).
>>>  -Ellis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Nathan Powell <nathan.n.powell at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> My father and I used to frost glass w/ a sandblaster. Worked extremely
>>>> nicely, and regular electrical tape is tough enough to use as a stenciling
>>>> medium (2 layers recommended). Sanding would probably work too, on the basis
>>>> of being roughly the same thing slowed down, but if we're talking about
>>>> selling kits for money it may be a bit too much elbow grease for an actual
>>>> production method.
>>>>
>>>
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From nathan.n.powell at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 21:50:18 2011
From: nathan.n.powell at gmail.com (Nathan Powell)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:50:18 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Sugru sample
Message-ID: <CA+WCMTzSF058UmQsW8XYLtWS6qpzxQZOqN=kMckyRYSWNq0Fzw@mail.gmail.com>

I got some Sugru <http://sugru.com/> to help somebody with a project (well,
it's a good excuse for buying nifty stuff, anyway). A packet of it got made
into a handle on the small parts organizer that was getting put together, so
there's a piece around if anyone's interested in what it ends up like after
curing.
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From david at davincisciencecenter.org  Thu Sep 15 22:00:49 2011
From: david at davincisciencecenter.org (David Smith)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:00:49 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Anyone else going to World Maker Faire?
Message-ID: <CAKY0pFSg+xKhgxr5u9XKiTxCX1e4D+o-hyEWmhw59UNxZDdROQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be at the Faire in Queens most of the day Saturday and part of Sunday.
My cell is 610-533-6677 if you want to try to connect

Dave

-- 
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Director, Teacher Professional Development



3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
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From tbuser at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 22:14:35 2011
From: tbuser at gmail.com (Tony Buser)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:14:35 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Anyone else going to World Maker Faire?
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I'll be there both days at the MakerBot booth.  If I'm not there, I'll
probably be at the 3D printer village.  :)

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:00 PM, David Smith <
david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:

> I'll be at the Faire in Queens most of the day Saturday and part of
> Sunday.  My cell is 610-533-6677 if you want to try to connect
>
> Dave
>
> --
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>
>
> 3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
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From rob at pabut.org  Fri Sep 16 08:01:12 2011
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:01:12 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] Anyone else going to World Maker Faire?
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I'll be there Saturday .... dressed in black :) .... Roaming with my son and
his friend .....

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Tony Buser <tbuser at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll be there both days at the MakerBot booth.  If I'm not there, I'll
> probably be at the 3D printer village.  :)
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:00 PM, David Smith <
> david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
>
>> I'll be at the Faire in Queens most of the day Saturday and part of
>> Sunday.  My cell is 610-533-6677 if you want to try to connect
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> --
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>> Director, Teacher Professional Development
>>
>>
>>
>> 3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
>> Allentown, PA 18103-3686
>> 484-664-1002 x111
>> david at davincisciencecenter.org
>> http://www.davincisciencecenter.org
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From saxywolf at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 08:25:15 2011
From: saxywolf at gmail.com (Ellis Farmer)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:25:15 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
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Maybe rig up a foam cylinder with sandpaper on the outside with a drill bit
in the center... Foam is so you can squeeze it into the jar.
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Sep 16 09:18:43 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:18:43 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
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Another method might be to cut it into strips, fold the strips in 1/2 along
the length and mount the strips on a post with a slit in it so the'd flap
around whacking into the glass when the post was mounted in a drill. I think
that'd be a bit more precise (if you can make sense of that description).

JSR/

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe rig up a foam cylinder with sandpaper on the outside with a drill bit
> in the center... Foam is so you can squeeze it into the jar.
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From quack at kurtroedeger.com  Fri Sep 16 09:34:41 2011
From: quack at kurtroedeger.com (Kurt Roedeger)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:34:41 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
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Power tools and holding glass seems a bit riskier than needed (especially from an insurance stand-point if you are having people walk up and do it themselves).  I'm pretty sure they make a spray paint type product that is a faux-frosting that could be sprayed on the inside of the jar.  Probably take all of 10 seconds per jar to do.  It doesn't need to handle high temperatures (it's an LED not an incandescent bulb), or weathering if it's inside a jar.  

Just found it, Rust-oleum makes it.  http://www.thepaintstore.com/Rust_Oleum_Frosted_Glass_Spray_p/19038.htm?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=frosted+glass+spray&utm_campaign=TPS+Rustoleum&gclid=CPKQpP39oasCFQhN4Aodoh9UWg

--KurtRoedeger
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  Another method might be to cut it into strips, fold the strips in 1/2 along the length and mount the strips on a post with a slit in it so the'd flap around whacking into the glass when the post was mounted in a drill. I think that'd be a bit more precise (if you can make sense of that description).


  JSR/


  On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:

    Maybe rig up a foam cylinder with sandpaper on the outside with a drill bit in the center... Foam is so you can squeeze it into the jar.
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Sep 16 09:40:36 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:40:36 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
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The trick is getting it to spray evenly inside the jar. Ellis was working
with a similar product on his first trial and it was going on too heavy in
some areas and not at all in others. Perhaps a tweak to the method would be
helpful. Would that stuff stick well and look good on the outside of the
jars?

JSR/

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Kurt Roedeger <quack at kurtroedeger.com>wrote:

> **
>
> Power tools and holding glass seems a bit riskier than needed (especially
> from an insurance stand-point if you are having people walk up and do it
> themselves).  I'm pretty sure they make a spray paint type product that is a
> faux-frosting that could be sprayed on the inside of the jar.  Probably take
> all of 10 seconds per jar to do.  It doesn't need to handle high
> temperatures (it's an LED not an incandescent bulb), or weathering if it's
> inside a jar.
>
> Just found it, Rust-oleum makes it.
> http://www.thepaintstore.com/Rust_Oleum_Frosted_Glass_Spray_p/19038.htm?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=frosted+glass+spray&utm_campaign=TPS+Rustoleum&gclid=CPKQpP39oasCFQhN4Aodoh9UWg
>
> --KurtRoedeger
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com [mailto:
> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com]*On Behalf Of *Josiah
> Ritchie
> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2011 10:19 AM
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
>
> Another method might be to cut it into strips, fold the strips in 1/2 along
> the length and mount the strips on a post with a slit in it so the'd flap
> around whacking into the glass when the post was mounted in a drill. I think
> that'd be a bit more precise (if you can make sense of that description).
>
> JSR/
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe rig up a foam cylinder with sandpaper on the outside with a drill
>> bit in the center... Foam is so you can squeeze it into the jar.
>>
>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 09:52:49 2011
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:52:49 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] AVR Programming
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Would there be any interest to make a steerable bristlebot? My girlfriend
was looking into making a basic one and wanted something a little more. Look
on hackaday today for more information. It would be a great intro
microcontroller and programming project.

-Will
On Sep 12, 2011 11:16 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes. That device only connects to the microcontroller for programming and
> (nice part about atmel) when you want to do in circuit debugging. That
same
> featire from microchip will set you back about $300 easy. Also, you don't
> need linux. Ypu can use avr dude in windows.
>
> -Will
>
> On Sep 12, 2011 9:44 PM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
wrote:
>>
>> How does the AVR mcu connect to that device?
>>
>> JSR/
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You need a programmer.
>>>
>
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php
>>> (friend of mine, you can talk to him on #avr on freenode or in
>>> #robotics).
>>> Other fun tools (that are free) would be the Eclipse IDE. For
>>> starters, always good to get some LED's make sure a few are infrared.
>>> As we move past blinking lights we'll work on things such as motor
>>> controls or wireless communications (with infrared!). If you don't
>>> have them, bread boards and see if you go to adafruit or some place
>>> and get a lot of through hole resistors.
>>>
>>> -Will
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Josiah Ritchie
>>> <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
>>> > We've talked about putting together a desk for microcontroller
> programming.
>>> > What hardware and software will we need to do that well? I know a
Linux
> box
>>> > with avrdude can handle the software side of things, but how about the
>>> > hardware?
>>> > This popped into my head again because of the latest related hardware
> from
>>> > adafruit: http://ladyada.net/library/tools/standaloneisp.html
>>> > JSR/
>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>> > Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
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>
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>>> >
>>>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Sep 16 10:10:25 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:10:25 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] AVR Programming
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Oh that's clever. Here's the link...
http://hackaday.com/2011/09/15/steerable-bristlebot-via-ir-control/

JSR/

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> Would there be any interest to make a steerable bristlebot? My girlfriend
> was looking into making a basic one and wanted something a little more. Look
> on hackaday today for more information. It would be a great intro
> microcontroller and programming project.
>
> -Will
> On Sep 12, 2011 11:16 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes. That device only connects to the microcontroller for programming and
> > (nice part about atmel) when you want to do in circuit debugging. That
> same
> > featire from microchip will set you back about $300 easy. Also, you don't
> > need linux. Ypu can use avr dude in windows.
> >
> > -Will
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2011 9:44 PM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> How does the AVR mcu connect to that device?
> >>
> >> JSR/
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You need a programmer.
> >>>
> >
> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php
> >>> (friend of mine, you can talk to him on #avr on freenode or in
> >>> #robotics).
> >>> Other fun tools (that are free) would be the Eclipse IDE. For
> >>> starters, always good to get some LED's make sure a few are infrared.
> >>> As we move past blinking lights we'll work on things such as motor
> >>> controls or wireless communications (with infrared!). If you don't
> >>> have them, bread boards and see if you go to adafruit or some place
> >>> and get a lot of through hole resistors.
> >>>
> >>> -Will
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Josiah Ritchie
> >>> <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
> >>> > We've talked about putting together a desk for microcontroller
> > programming.
> >>> > What hardware and software will we need to do that well? I know a
> Linux
> > box
> >>> > with avrdude can handle the software side of things, but how about
> the
> >>> > hardware?
> >>> > This popped into my head again because of the latest related hardware
> > from
> >>> > adafruit: http://ladyada.net/library/tools/standaloneisp.html
> >>> > JSR/
>
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From scott.piccotti at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 10:42:47 2011
From: scott.piccotti at gmail.com (scott piccotti)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:42:47 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
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On Sep 9, 2011, at 10:22 PM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe we should pre-frost them? ?I'd still rather find a way for them to take it from step 1 to completion though.

Hi all. I haven't dropped off the earth, I'm just knee deep in
spackle. Anyway...
Two possible ideas come to mind:
1) find a source for frosted glass jars
2) use plastic jars
I especially like the idea of using plastic. It would make the end
result a little more kid-friendly, maybe for use as a nightlight.

-s



From vjahg at comcast.net  Fri Sep 16 12:24:45 2011
From: vjahg at comcast.net (Vincent Albicelli)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:24:45 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
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The plastic jars are a great idea, Scott. Sanding glass should always be done wet (minimize thermal shock and dust), and manufacturing variations in mass produced jars can make even that dangerous. We were doing a piece that required coldworking bottles and jars rescued from the trash and a lot of them kept breaking on the wet saw or sander. Checked them out in the polariscope and was amazed at the amount of residual stress left in some of them. Dry sanding them with a drill is an accident waiting to happen. It could likely be done with a felt wheel and diamond paste, but as Nathan mentioned, hand sanding glass is more an exercise in patience than production.

US Plastic seems to have a good price on plastic jars. I just compared them against my wholesale rates at two other suppliers, and it's comparable or better. OTOH, if we can get a source of cheaper/free glass jars, tracing paper/vellum on the inside like in the instructable or frosted contact paper (about $0.30/sq.ft.) on the outside could work without the liability and mess of coldworking questionably annealed glass.

http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=22750&catid=604

Vince

On Sep 16, 2011, at 11:42 AM, scott piccotti wrote:

> Hi all. I haven't dropped off the earth, I'm just knee deep in
> spackle. Anyway...
> Two possible ideas come to mind:
> 1) find a source for frosted glass jars
> 2) use plastic jars
> I especially like the idea of using plastic. It would make the end
> result a little more kid-friendly, maybe for use as a nightlight.
> 
> -s
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Sat Sep 17 21:35:16 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:35:16 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] I tried to upload a file to the wiki
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I went back to this and figured it out in 3 minutes. I must not have had my
head on last time I looked at it. The images directory had permissions
rwxrwxrw- I added x for all and now everyone can see the images. :-)

Enjoy!

JSR/

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:

> Re: http://makelehighvalley.com/index.php?title=File:81C14.png
>
> Maybe you have to enable png file display separately?  Although, this page
> makes me think it is enabled by default...
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgTrustedMediaFormats
> Was PNG upload blocked before? Maybe the file I uploaded only produced an
> empty image (I should really try uploading another png...)?
>
> When I clicked on the link however, I got a 403 forbidden error.  Maybe it
> is blocked in a .htaccess file (or maybe it is an empty image)?
>
> -Ellis
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:
>
>> I adjusted the file extensions available. I have determined that the
>> png uploaded correctly, but has a permission problem. I haven't
>> figured out why yet.
>>
>> JSR/
>
>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Sat Sep 17 23:38:03 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:38:03 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Reworded Front Page
Message-ID: <CANyh6VvTEtNfAQ7mn9QBAHu3b3dxM2Af8cSsCFcMsWaZnp=_eQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've gone through and reworded the front page of the website in an attempt
to make it easier for first time visitors to find what they need quickly and
encourage them more strongly to come by the space. If you see any typos,
strange wording or whatever, feel free to fix it.
http://makelehighvalley.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

If you don't get have an account on the wiki, they are free for the asking.
Just send me an email even if you don't have something to add now and I'll
get you setup right away. You may want it later.

JSR/
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From rob at pabut.org  Sun Sep 18 18:50:15 2011
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:50:15 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
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Hmmm ... just googling around ..... does it need to be a jar??? Here's a
source for frosted class bottles about a buck each ...

http://www.sks-bottle.com/340c/fin120d.html

They also have jars but seem to be on the small side ....

http://www.sks-bottle.com/340c/fin149b.html

--> Rob


On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Vincent Albicelli <vjahg at comcast.net>wrote:

> The plastic jars are a great idea, Scott. Sanding glass should always be
> done wet (minimize thermal shock and dust), and manufacturing variations in
> mass produced jars can make even that dangerous. We were doing a piece that
> required coldworking bottles and jars rescued from the trash and a lot of
> them kept breaking on the wet saw or sander. Checked them out in the
> polariscope and was amazed at the amount of residual stress left in some of
> them. Dry sanding them with a drill is an accident waiting to happen. It
> could likely be done with a felt wheel and diamond paste, but as Nathan
> mentioned, hand sanding glass is more an exercise in patience than
> production.
>
> US Plastic seems to have a good price on plastic jars. I just compared them
> against my wholesale rates at two other suppliers, and it's comparable or
> better. OTOH, if we can get a source of cheaper/free glass jars, tracing
> paper/vellum on the inside like in the instructable or frosted contact paper
> (about $0.30/sq.ft.) on the outside could work without the liability and
> mess of coldworking questionably annealed glass.
>
> http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=22750&catid=604
>
> Vince
>
> On Sep 16, 2011, at 11:42 AM, scott piccotti wrote:
>
> Hi all. I haven't dropped off the earth, I'm just knee deep in
> spackle. Anyway...
> Two possible ideas come to mind:
> 1) find a source for frosted glass jars
> 2) use plastic jars
> I especially like the idea of using plastic. It would make the end
> result a little more kid-friendly, maybe for use as a nightlight.
>
> -s
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>
> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Sun Sep 18 18:57:12 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:57:12 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
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You have to be able to put the electronics from a solar garden light on top
of them so a wide mouth is important.

JSR/

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Rob <rob at pabut.org> wrote:

> Hmmm ... just googling around ..... does it need to be a jar??? Here's a
> source for frosted class bottles about a buck each ...
>
> http://www.sks-bottle.com/340c/fin120d.html
>
> They also have jars but seem to be on the small side ....
>
> http://www.sks-bottle.com/340c/fin149b.html
>
> --> Rob
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Vincent Albicelli <vjahg at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>> The plastic jars are a great idea, Scott. Sanding glass should always be
>> done wet (minimize thermal shock and dust), and manufacturing variations in
>> mass produced jars can make even that dangerous. We were doing a piece that
>> required coldworking bottles and jars rescued from the trash and a lot of
>> them kept breaking on the wet saw or sander. Checked them out in the
>> polariscope and was amazed at the amount of residual stress left in some of
>> them. Dry sanding them with a drill is an accident waiting to happen. It
>> could likely be done with a felt wheel and diamond paste, but as Nathan
>> mentioned, hand sanding glass is more an exercise in patience than
>> production.
>>
>> US Plastic seems to have a good price on plastic jars. I just compared
>> them against my wholesale rates at two other suppliers, and it's comparable
>> or better. OTOH, if we can get a source of cheaper/free glass jars, tracing
>> paper/vellum on the inside like in the instructable or frosted contact paper
>> (about $0.30/sq.ft.) on the outside could work without the liability and
>> mess of coldworking questionably annealed glass.
>>
>> http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=22750&catid=604
>>
>> Vince
>>
>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 11:42 AM, scott piccotti wrote:
>>
>> Hi all. I haven't dropped off the earth, I'm just knee deep in
>> spackle. Anyway...
>> Two possible ideas come to mind:
>> 1) find a source for frosted glass jars
>> 2) use plastic jars
>> I especially like the idea of using plastic. It would make the end
>> result a little more kid-friendly, maybe for use as a nightlight.
>>
>> -s
>>
>>
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From rob at pabut.org  Sun Sep 18 20:56:01 2011
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob Roschewsk)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 21:56:01 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Workshop idea
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6Vv-Tejd4LtW2MvY82fsCxAM2DcdSt5NN=z_4B1k0H6AeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN4=021_4P6=irBRh+so8hYHVtzP+Z0OvD3_i7pGnw9dJcDrrg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAC8c5=Jvx1pnmSSY6+W3QHeur5o9jhrzvokUAmSmsrCCK=-MDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<0A4D3BDA-C1BF-40AB-8E6B-B19EF2A0B641@comcast.net>
	<CAE1O4xoY8Tm49zJXh6pjCrP87ozApnH3a8RQ-Ct9e48T=FG7qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANyh6Vv-Tejd4LtW2MvY82fsCxAM2DcdSt5NN=z_4B1k0H6AeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32D8FD7B-843C-497A-951E-324BAB34A7A8@pabut.org>

Could cut the top off .....
http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/06/how-to-bottle-cutting.html

Though plastic is sounding better ...


--> Rob


On Sep 18, 2011, at 19:57, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:

> You have to be able to put the electronics from a solar garden light on top of them so a wide mouth is important.
> 
> JSR/
> 
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Rob <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
> Hmmm ... just googling around ..... does it need to be a jar??? Here's a source for frosted class bottles about a buck each ...
> 
> http://www.sks-bottle.com/340c/fin120d.html
> 
> They also have jars but seem to be on the small side ....
> 
> http://www.sks-bottle.com/340c/fin149b.html
> 
> --> Rob
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Vincent Albicelli <vjahg at comcast.net> wrote:
> The plastic jars are a great idea, Scott. Sanding glass should always be done wet (minimize thermal shock and dust), and manufacturing variations in mass produced jars can make even that dangerous. We were doing a piece that required coldworking bottles and jars rescued from the trash and a lot of them kept breaking on the wet saw or sander. Checked them out in the polariscope and was amazed at the amount of residual stress left in some of them. Dry sanding them with a drill is an accident waiting to happen. It could likely be done with a felt wheel and diamond paste, but as Nathan mentioned, hand sanding glass is more an exercise in patience than production.
> 
> US Plastic seems to have a good price on plastic jars. I just compared them against my wholesale rates at two other suppliers, and it's comparable or better. OTOH, if we can get a source of cheaper/free glass jars, tracing paper/vellum on the inside like in the instructable or frosted contact paper (about $0.30/sq.ft.) on the outside could work without the liability and mess of coldworking questionably annealed glass.
> 
> http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=22750&catid=604
> 
> Vince
> 
> On Sep 16, 2011, at 11:42 AM, scott piccotti wrote:
> 
>> Hi all. I haven't dropped off the earth, I'm just knee deep in
>> spackle. Anyway...
>> Two possible ideas come to mind:
>> 1) find a source for frosted glass jars
>> 2) use plastic jars
>> I especially like the idea of using plastic. It would make the end
>> result a little more kid-friendly, maybe for use as a nightlight.
>> 
>> -s
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From rob at pabut.org  Mon Sep 19 21:00:26 2011
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob Roschewsk)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:00:26 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Steve Rosenbaum: What Barack Obama Could Learn From Maker
	Faire
Message-ID: <A873CE17-F057-45D0-9147-2447B1469C49@pabut.org>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-rosenbaum/what-barak-obama-could-le_b_969650.html


--> Rob




From staticphantom at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 22:50:21 2011
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (William Christensen)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:50:21 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Micro-controller Project!
Message-ID: <57A4408B-1043-403B-81A2-602AF317DA44@gmail.com>

After some brief discussion in the channel, it's obvious we need a  
micro-controller (uC) project. We do have a great array of LED's for  
the sign which is a great project with little effort and so would be  
an RF ID entry system. While I am working on my Android stuff, at the  
hacker space I'll be focusing my efforts on more uC work and would  
love to know who else would be interested.  These projects should  
cover the most basic parts of microcontrollers, focus on basic  
programming, and talk about hardware that is available for use on a  
microcontroller.

If there are more than two people interested in joining me, I'm going  
to need access to a white board as I dissect the LED sign and explain  
some basic concepts.

Articles I would suggest reading before Thursday are as follows:
http://hackaday.com/2011/09/19/easily-movable-rfid-door-lock-is-great-for-dorm-rooms/
http://www.instructables.com/id/LED-matrix-using-shift-registers/

Can someone make sure to have a volt meter handy, basic power supply,  
a small container/s for the parts, and a number 1 phillips screw  
driver? I don't know if I'll have enough time to get everything I need  
on the way home from work.

-Will
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From whatever at taggers.org  Tue Sep 20 00:15:04 2011
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 01:15:04 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Micro-controller Project!
In-Reply-To: <57A4408B-1043-403B-81A2-602AF317DA44@gmail.com>
References: <57A4408B-1043-403B-81A2-602AF317DA44@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E782158.1020604@taggers.org>

i can bring my parralax rfid reader too, i've moved onto harder parts 
since then



From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Tue Sep 20 08:08:19 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:08:19 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Micro-controller Project!
In-Reply-To: <57A4408B-1043-403B-81A2-602AF317DA44@gmail.com>
References: <57A4408B-1043-403B-81A2-602AF317DA44@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANyh6VvOuXUpj++B0Mqe0wYMcs0zW45=KRh1mx3Pp06A=Hwz2A@mail.gmail.com>

The space has some multimeters, small containers and phillips screw drivers
(not sure on sizes, but seems likely a #1 is among them). We have a small
whiteboard in the a/c'd room. We could modify one of the PC power supplies
that are available to provide some basic power easily enough to get started.
I've done that recently.

I'll hang around as I'm able. I'm always in favor of ideas that put less
keys on my keychain. In fact, I've been thinking about how I might be able
to do this at my house so it'd be cool to see it done before I make a mess.

JSR/

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:50 PM, William Christensen <
staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> After some brief discussion in the channel, it's obvious we need a
> micro-controller (uC) project. We do have a great array of LED's for the
> sign which is a great project with little effort and so would be an RF ID
> entry system. While I am working on my Android stuff, at the hacker space
> I'll be focusing my efforts on more uC work and would love to know who else
> would be interested.  These projects should cover the most basic parts of
> microcontrollers, focus on basic programming, and talk about hardware that
> is available for use on a microcontroller.
>
> If there are more than two people interested in joining me, I'm going to
> need access to a white board as I dissect the LED sign and explain some
> basic concepts.
>
> Articles I would suggest reading before Thursday are as follows:
>
> http://hackaday.com/2011/09/19/easily-movable-rfid-door-lock-is-great-for-dorm-rooms/
> http://www.instructables.com/id/LED-matrix-using-shift-registers/
>
> Can someone make sure to have a volt meter handy, basic power supply, a
> small container/s for the parts, and a number 1 phillips screw driver? I
> don't know if I'll have enough time to get everything I need on the way home
> from work.
>
> -Will
>
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From david at davincisciencecenter.org  Tue Sep 20 08:34:20 2011
From: david at davincisciencecenter.org (David Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:34:20 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Micro-controller Project!
In-Reply-To: <57A4408B-1043-403B-81A2-602AF317DA44@gmail.com>
References: <57A4408B-1043-403B-81A2-602AF317DA44@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKY0pFTq7xTyh+fBOfa+gpdMRyM6CcGrU7x6krKHndySusNW0A@mail.gmail.com>

I would definitely be interested, although this week is action-packed, so
I'm not sure if I'll make it or not.

Dave

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:50 PM, William Christensen <
staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> After some brief discussion in the channel, it's obvious we need a
> micro-controller (uC) project. We do have a great array of LED's for the
> sign which is a great project with little effort and so would be an RF ID
> entry system. While I am working on my Android stuff, at the hacker space
> I'll be focusing my efforts on more uC work and would love to know who else
> would be interested.  These projects should cover the most basic parts of
> microcontrollers, focus on basic programming, and talk about hardware that
> is available for use on a microcontroller.
>
> If there are more than two people interested in joining me, I'm going to
> need access to a white board as I dissect the LED sign and explain some
> basic concepts.
>
> Articles I would suggest reading before Thursday are as follows:
>
> http://hackaday.com/2011/09/19/easily-movable-rfid-door-lock-is-great-for-dorm-rooms/
> http://www.instructables.com/id/LED-matrix-using-shift-registers/
>
> Can someone make sure to have a volt meter handy, basic power supply, a
> small container/s for the parts, and a number 1 phillips screw driver? I
> don't know if I'll have enough time to get everything I need on the way home
> from work.
>
> -Will
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From paintjob at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 08:36:59 2011
From: paintjob at gmail.com (PJ Santoro)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:36:59 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Micro-controller Project!
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VvOuXUpj++B0Mqe0wYMcs0zW45=KRh1mx3Pp06A=Hwz2A@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CANyh6VvOuXUpj++B0Mqe0wYMcs0zW45=KRh1mx3Pp06A=Hwz2A@mail.gmail.com>
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Just a heads up on the RFID access front:
http://code.google.com/p/open-access-control/

This was a project that started up through the hackerspaces.org mailing list
and seems to be coming along quite well. I've got no direct experience with
the project, but just know of it's existence. We've got a bit of a wacky
access control system at hive76 because we're in an art studio building with
many other tenants on multiple floors... We're actually discussing a
complete rework of our system, possibly involving RF keyfobs or TI msp430
watches.

sent by telephone
On Sep 20, 2011 9:08 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
> The space has some multimeters, small containers and phillips screw
drivers
> (not sure on sizes, but seems likely a #1 is among them). We have a small
> whiteboard in the a/c'd room. We could modify one of the PC power supplies
> that are available to provide some basic power easily enough to get
started.
> I've done that recently.
>
> I'll hang around as I'm able. I'm always in favor of ideas that put less
> keys on my keychain. In fact, I've been thinking about how I might be able
> to do this at my house so it'd be cool to see it done before I make a
mess.
>
> JSR/
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:50 PM, William Christensen <
> staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> After some brief discussion in the channel, it's obvious we need a
>> micro-controller (uC) project. We do have a great array of LED's for the
>> sign which is a great project with little effort and so would be an RF ID
>> entry system. While I am working on my Android stuff, at the hacker space
>> I'll be focusing my efforts on more uC work and would love to know who
else
>> would be interested. These projects should cover the most basic parts of
>> microcontrollers, focus on basic programming, and talk about hardware
that
>> is available for use on a microcontroller.
>>
>> If there are more than two people interested in joining me, I'm going to
>> need access to a white board as I dissect the LED sign and explain some
>> basic concepts.
>>
>> Articles I would suggest reading before Thursday are as follows:
>>
>>
http://hackaday.com/2011/09/19/easily-movable-rfid-door-lock-is-great-for-dorm-rooms/
>> http://www.instructables.com/id/LED-matrix-using-shift-registers/
>>
>> Can someone make sure to have a volt meter handy, basic power supply, a
>> small container/s for the parts, and a number 1 phillips screw driver? I
>> don't know if I'll have enough time to get everything I need on the way
home
>> from work.
>>
>> -Will
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
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>>
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From tsworman at novaslp.net  Tue Sep 20 08:46:43 2011
From: tsworman at novaslp.net (Tyler Worman)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 13:46:43 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] Micro-controller Project!
In-Reply-To: <CAChUMCqG4rSAU3EEQixdPqTpkHtftv1va7sh9oQn36EZuoQPWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57A4408B-1043-403B-81A2-602AF317DA44@gmail.com><CANyh6VvOuXUpj++B0Mqe0wYMcs0zW45=KRh1mx3Pp06A=Hwz2A@mail.gmail.com><CAChUMCqG4rSAU3EEQixdPqTpkHtftv1va7sh9oQn36EZuoQPWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <403407451-1316526405-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-139970191-@b3.c7.bise6.blackberry>

If you decide to do RFID and need a hand with any of it, give a shout. A group from at AllHandsActive is working on this right now for our access control. I think their design is going to be a derivative of i3Detroit's. So lots of experienced people around I can get the contact info for if you run into any issues.

   - Tyler


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From rob at pabut.org  Tue Sep 20 09:28:18 2011
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:28:18 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] NPR Science Friday on Hackerspaces and Makerfaire
Message-ID: <CAE1O4xrbhu4+wbeqZyfyOs_V=_O2ShLYGP6aJ0XbnUUpdjMQ_w@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/201109163

Exploring the Tech DIY of ?Hackerspaces?
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Image by Flickr user
quapan.<http://www.sciencefriday.com/www.flickr.com/photos/hinkelstone/>
When the humble garage workshop just isn?t enough, or basement tinkerers
tire of trying to go it alone, some turn to 'hackerspaces,' organizations
that provide space, tools, and like-minded colleagues for unusual do it
yourself projects. With Maker Faire in town this weekend, Kelly Maguire of
NYC Resistor and Sean Auriti of Alpha One Labs discuss the ?hackerspace?
movement.
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 12:23:57 2011
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 13:23:57 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Micro-controller Project!
In-Reply-To: <403407451-1316526405-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-139970191-@b3.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <57A4408B-1043-403B-81A2-602AF317DA44@gmail.com>
	<CANyh6VvOuXUpj++B0Mqe0wYMcs0zW45=KRh1mx3Pp06A=Hwz2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAChUMCqG4rSAU3EEQixdPqTpkHtftv1va7sh9oQn36EZuoQPWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<403407451-1316526405-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-139970191-@b3.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <CAO8063UFy6M_kPCxXqSD6hto6qfDdYqAF_wv48jK18fBZHOoUg@mail.gmail.com>

I was planning on both projects actually. Shift registers are great when you
make a display which will be great for the more art minded folks and just
handy for our own purposes at the space. I really like the RF ID priloject
because it is a great simple project working with communications and servos.


The two projects can teach the beginning of building a program library and
basic programming that hopefully we can start having classes on. Not to
mention some projects are just very handy like the RFID project.

Hopefully a fun project after these two projects will be either the
contollable bristle bot or some involving xbee's. If someone is really
interested in publishing a security paper a frie> If you decide to do RFID
and need a hand with any of it, give a shout. A group from at AllHandsActive
is working on this right now for our access control. I think their design is
going to be a derivative of i3Detroit's. So lots of experienced people
around I can get the contact info for if you run into any issues.
>
> - Tyler
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PJ Santoro <paintjob at gmail.com>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Tue Sep 20 15:02:04 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:02:04 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] More website changes
Message-ID: <CANyh6VtOV2urGNLqYweTo1zQKh+3AHbLkX=aygA1FiGRK5ZC1Q@mail.gmail.com>

I've had wordpress sitting in the background for awhile so I moved it to the
front. If you hit makelehighvalley.com, you'll see a major change. I'm
tossing this up to see if I get an "Oh, my eyes, where'd my data go!
Qwikster! Netflix!" reaction. Anyone have any strong feelings about the
direction I'm going here?

JSR/
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 15:27:55 2011
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:27:55 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] More website changes
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VtOV2urGNLqYweTo1zQKh+3AHbLkX=aygA1FiGRK5ZC1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VtOV2urGNLqYweTo1zQKh+3AHbLkX=aygA1FiGRK5ZC1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8063UnHgH_AdqpvLL3tWkip0jM+peNpkugxhj0PwxgSQQVVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Nice, this is exactly what we needed.

-Will

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Josiah Ritchie
<josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
> I've had wordpress sitting in the background for awhile so I moved it to the
> front. If you hit makelehighvalley.com, you'll see a major change. I'm
> tossing this up to see if I get an "Oh, my eyes, where'd my data go!
> Qwikster! Netflix!" reaction. Anyone have any strong feelings about the
> direction I'm going here?
> JSR/
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>



From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Tue Sep 20 17:30:44 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:30:44 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Designing part for a 3D printer
Message-ID: <CANyh6VsioRDVL8smO9fKnk6TSex4mRDf5DUsJ=Oa_haUOZ7DWw@mail.gmail.com>

So where do you start to design something to print and toss up on
Thingiverse? Can you use the free version of SketchUp?

I need a $4 part from sears for a weed whacker, but at this rate I can
design and print it before they're going to get it from their supplier. (
http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/part-number/530094827/0071/358)

JSR/
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Tue Sep 20 17:47:07 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:47:07 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] More website changes
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063UnHgH_AdqpvLL3tWkip0jM+peNpkugxhj0PwxgSQQVVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VtOV2urGNLqYweTo1zQKh+3AHbLkX=aygA1FiGRK5ZC1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO8063UnHgH_AdqpvLL3tWkip0jM+peNpkugxhj0PwxgSQQVVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANyh6Vu=SS+ZnTxi6km42VdH+NAJ2YiPcSaSTf9Vbgt7t2pL_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Will.

I forgot to add, if someone wants an account on the blog, you can sign up at
http://makelehighvalley.com/blog/wp-login.php?action=register and I'll
elevate your privileges so you can add more cool stuff.

I'm also trying to get some SEO improvements with an eye towards showing up
for more searches in Google and setup Google Analytics so we can see how our
website is being used. I'm the one to talk to in order to gain access to any
of that stuff also at this point.

JSR/

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nice, this is exactly what we needed.
>
> -Will
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Josiah Ritchie
> <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
> > I've had wordpress sitting in the background for awhile so I moved it to
> the
> > front. If you hit makelehighvalley.com, you'll see a major change. I'm
> > tossing this up to see if I get an "Oh, my eyes, where'd my data go!
> > Qwikster! Netflix!" reaction. Anyone have any strong feelings about the
> > direction I'm going here?
> > JSR/
>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 17:48:05 2011
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:48:05 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Micro-controller Project!
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063UFy6M_kPCxXqSD6hto6qfDdYqAF_wv48jK18fBZHOoUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57A4408B-1043-403B-81A2-602AF317DA44@gmail.com>
	<CANyh6VvOuXUpj++B0Mqe0wYMcs0zW45=KRh1mx3Pp06A=Hwz2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAChUMCqG4rSAU3EEQixdPqTpkHtftv1va7sh9oQn36EZuoQPWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<403407451-1316526405-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-139970191-@b3.c7.bise6.blackberry>
	<CAO8063UFy6M_kPCxXqSD6hto6qfDdYqAF_wv48jK18fBZHOoUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8063W=ocRNpUq8-nBpTEBKw1466onuXSvLiaMLdY_09N8h9A@mail.gmail.com>

I need to be more careful when sending an email on my tablet. Sorry
about the confusion at the end of the email. Oh and Dave this project
will take quit a few meetings to get finished just because of the lack
of some key tools, equipment, parts, and experience in general.

-Will

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was planning on both projects actually. Shift registers are great when you
> make a display which will be great for the more art minded folks and just
> handy for our own purposes at the space. I really like the RF ID priloject
> because it is a great simple project working with communications and servos.
>
> The two projects can teach the beginning of building a program library and
> basic programming that hopefully we can start having classes on. Not to
> mention some projects are just very handy like the RFID project.
>
> Hopefully a fun project after these two projects will be either the
> contollable bristle bot or some involving xbee's. If someone is really
> interested in publishing a security paper a frie> If you decide to do RFID
> and need a hand with any of it, give a shout. A group from at AllHandsActive
> is working on this right now for our access control. I think their design is
> going to be a derivative of i3Detroit's. So lots of experienced people
> around I can get the contact info for if you run into any issues.
>
>>
>> - Tyler
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PJ Santoro <paintjob at gmail.com>
>> Sender: makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com
>> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:36:59
>> To: Build things for fun!<makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>> Reply-To: Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>> Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Micro-controller Project!
>>
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From saxywolf at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 18:11:25 2011
From: saxywolf at gmail.com (Ellis Farmer)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:11:25 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Designing part for a 3D printer
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VsioRDVL8smO9fKnk6TSex4mRDf5DUsJ=Oa_haUOZ7DWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VsioRDVL8smO9fKnk6TSex4mRDf5DUsJ=Oa_haUOZ7DWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJeZOyHaywXi5pWQAvcXBEJvffE09hcxbyrkJ72_-Tc5=W0YLw@mail.gmail.com>

Yup. Sketchup. I used it to design my gear. Dave says there is a plugin to
make the .stl file that Replicator G uses (I think.) But yes, you can start
with Sketchup free version.
On Sep 20, 2011 5:30 PM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
> So where do you start to design something to print and toss up on
> Thingiverse? Can you use the free version of SketchUp?
>
> I need a $4 part from sears for a weed whacker, but at this rate I can
> design and print it before they're going to get it from their supplier. (
> http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/part-number/530094827/0071/358
)
>
> JSR/
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From paintjob at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 18:15:29 2011
From: paintjob at gmail.com (PJ Santoro)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:15:29 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Designing part for a 3D printer
In-Reply-To: <CAJeZOyHaywXi5pWQAvcXBEJvffE09hcxbyrkJ72_-Tc5=W0YLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VsioRDVL8smO9fKnk6TSex4mRDf5DUsJ=Oa_haUOZ7DWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJeZOyHaywXi5pWQAvcXBEJvffE09hcxbyrkJ72_-Tc5=W0YLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAChUMCprgh8tGwifF-WP7bot95Ev+HYbpHN8vh1QZN_nmik7NQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is the plugin you'll want to use:
http://www.guitar-list.com/download-software/convert-sketchup-skp-files-dxf-or-stl

sent by telephone
On Sep 20, 2011 7:11 PM, "Ellis Farmer" <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yup. Sketchup. I used it to design my gear. Dave says there is a plugin to
> make the .stl file that Replicator G uses (I think.) But yes, you can
start
> with Sketchup free version.
> On Sep 20, 2011 5:30 PM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
wrote:
>> So where do you start to design something to print and toss up on
>> Thingiverse? Can you use the free version of SketchUp?
>>
>> I need a $4 part from sears for a weed whacker, but at this rate I can
>> design and print it before they're going to get it from their supplier. (
>>
http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/part-number/530094827/0071/358
> )
>>
>> JSR/
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From david at davincisciencecenter.org  Tue Sep 20 21:10:41 2011
From: david at davincisciencecenter.org (David Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:10:41 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Designing part for a 3D printer
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VsioRDVL8smO9fKnk6TSex4mRDf5DUsJ=Oa_haUOZ7DWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VsioRDVL8smO9fKnk6TSex4mRDf5DUsJ=Oa_haUOZ7DWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKY0pFR-KmeP9UN5rWbJygBGdW+27QApx19WZe4A0+93f9oF5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, SketchUp works great for simple objects.  OpenSCad seems to be the
software of choice for people at the next level up - that would not be me.
There are a bunch of other free CAD products coming out, it seems.  They
have to be able to generate a stereolithography (.stl) file to be able to
print on the MakerBot with ReplicatorG.

Dave

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> So where do you start to design something to print and toss up on
> Thingiverse? Can you use the free version of SketchUp?
>
> I need a $4 part from sears for a weed whacker, but at this rate I can
> design and print it before they're going to get it from their supplier. (
> http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/part-number/530094827/0071/358
> )
>
> JSR/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>
> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>
>


-- 
David L. Smith, Ph.D.
Director, Teacher Professional Development



3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
Allentown, PA 18103-3686
484-664-1002 x111
david at davincisciencecenter.org
http://www.davincisciencecenter.org


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From david at davincisciencecenter.org  Tue Sep 20 21:16:44 2011
From: david at davincisciencecenter.org (David Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:16:44 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] More website changes
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VtOV2urGNLqYweTo1zQKh+3AHbLkX=aygA1FiGRK5ZC1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VtOV2urGNLqYweTo1zQKh+3AHbLkX=aygA1FiGRK5ZC1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKY0pFRmV3hnbtUE3zOZYTaZU=cWLOX1mcvnbWxVxzQucWM2Pg@mail.gmail.com>

The look is nice, but I object to the use of ghetto as a perjorative, even
in a quote attributed to a particular person.  This has the risk of being
perceived as a racist statement, although I am sure that is not the intent.
One of the goals of our project with Matt is to make hacking accessible to
poor and minority residents of Allentown to encourage economic development
and so we want to be careful about the messages we might unintentionally
convey about ourselves.

Dave


On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> I've had wordpress sitting in the background for awhile so I moved it to
> the front. If you hit makelehighvalley.com, you'll see a major change. I'm
> tossing this up to see if I get an "Oh, my eyes, where'd my data go!
> Qwikster! Netflix!" reaction. Anyone have any strong feelings about the
> direction I'm going here?
>
> JSR/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>
> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>
>


-- 
David L. Smith, Ph.D.
Director, Teacher Professional Development



3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
Allentown, PA 18103-3686
484-664-1002 x111
david at davincisciencecenter.org
http://www.davincisciencecenter.org


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From tbuser at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 21:29:01 2011
From: tbuser at gmail.com (Tony Buser)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:29:01 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Designing part for a 3D printer
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VsioRDVL8smO9fKnk6TSex4mRDf5DUsJ=Oa_haUOZ7DWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VsioRDVL8smO9fKnk6TSex4mRDf5DUsJ=Oa_haUOZ7DWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEz8ftGDL8K82XcHDs3ViSSpSHLoLDp+ato_za2r8+9dJSf16Q@mail.gmail.com>

Also give http://tinkercad.com a try.  It's really easy to make simple parts
and has a "publish to thingiverse" button.  :)

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> So where do you start to design something to print and toss up on
> Thingiverse? Can you use the free version of SketchUp?
>
> I need a $4 part from sears for a weed whacker, but at this rate I can
> design and print it before they're going to get it from their supplier. (
> http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/part-number/530094827/0071/358
> )
>
> JSR/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>
> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
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From tsworman at novaslp.net  Tue Sep 20 21:55:25 2011
From: tsworman at novaslp.net (Tyler Worman)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 02:55:25 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] Designing part for a 3D printer
In-Reply-To: <CAKY0pFR-KmeP9UN5rWbJygBGdW+27QApx19WZe4A0+93f9oF5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VsioRDVL8smO9fKnk6TSex4mRDf5DUsJ=Oa_haUOZ7DWw@mail.gmail.com><CAKY0pFR-KmeP9UN5rWbJygBGdW+27QApx19WZe4A0+93f9oF5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1633115381-1316573727-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1726145641-@b3.c7.bise6.blackberry>

I second the OpenSCAD mention. I had much better results with it as I can't get a handle on 3D modeling. It is totally my issue though and not Sketchups. Sketchip was easy to learn and start modeling quickly.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Smith <david at davincisciencecenter.org>
Sender: makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:10:41 
To: Build things for fun!<makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
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Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Designing part for a 3D printer

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From whatever at taggers.org  Tue Sep 20 21:59:26 2011
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:59:26 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Micro-controller Project!
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063W=ocRNpUq8-nBpTEBKw1466onuXSvLiaMLdY_09N8h9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57A4408B-1043-403B-81A2-602AF317DA44@gmail.com>
	<CANyh6VvOuXUpj++B0Mqe0wYMcs0zW45=KRh1mx3Pp06A=Hwz2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAChUMCqG4rSAU3EEQixdPqTpkHtftv1va7sh9oQn36EZuoQPWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<403407451-1316526405-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-139970191-@b3.c7.bise6.blackberry>
	<CAO8063UFy6M_kPCxXqSD6hto6qfDdYqAF_wv48jK18fBZHOoUg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4E79530E.3020608@taggers.org>

it occurs to me i don't have Thursday off so i won't be there... i 
should be back next thursday



From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Tue Sep 20 22:11:23 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:11:23 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] More website changes
In-Reply-To: <CAKY0pFRmV3hnbtUE3zOZYTaZU=cWLOX1mcvnbWxVxzQucWM2Pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VtOV2urGNLqYweTo1zQKh+3AHbLkX=aygA1FiGRK5ZC1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKY0pFRmV3hnbtUE3zOZYTaZU=cWLOX1mcvnbWxVxzQucWM2Pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANyh6Vtj6uD3LE+czAQwf_vkJhtv2tmp0nqu8MKZyhxEFwMhmw@mail.gmail.com>

I see your point and agree. Thanks for keeping us straight. I pulled it and
reworded the spot on the wiki that I pulled the info from.

JSR/

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:16 PM, David Smith <
david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:

> The look is nice, but I object to the use of ghetto as a perjorative, even
> in a quote attributed to a particular person.  This has the risk of being
> perceived as a racist statement, although I am sure that is not the intent.
> One of the goals of our project with Matt is to make hacking accessible to
> poor and minority residents of Allentown to encourage economic development
> and so we want to be careful about the messages we might unintentionally
> convey about ourselves.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:
>
>> I've had wordpress sitting in the background for awhile so I moved it to
>> the front. If you hit makelehighvalley.com, you'll see a major change.
>> I'm tossing this up to see if I get an "Oh, my eyes, where'd my data go!
>> Qwikster! Netflix!" reaction. Anyone have any strong feelings about the
>> direction I'm going here?
>>
>> JSR/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>
>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> David L. Smith, Ph.D.
> Director, Teacher Professional Development
>
>
>
> 3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
> Allentown, PA 18103-3686
> 484-664-1002 x111
> david at davincisciencecenter.org
> http://www.davincisciencecenter.org
>
>
>
> <http://www2.davincisciencecenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Icons-for-E-Mail-Signature.png>
>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Tue Sep 20 22:22:30 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:22:30 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Designing part for a 3D printer
In-Reply-To: <1633115381-1316573727-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1726145641-@b3.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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	<CAKY0pFR-KmeP9UN5rWbJygBGdW+27QApx19WZe4A0+93f9oF5Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CANyh6Vu_fjr2A1pri+iXdQ6p5Yav-bY1A-BYr_qXSbfgEjYOsg@mail.gmail.com>

So many good options! I didn't expect that.

I played around with SketchUp tonight and made a very rough no measurements
mockup pretty quickly once I learned a few techniques. SketchUp has been
slow for me to learn also, but I may be able to pull this off.

I just looked at TinkerCad and the idea of a browser based software seems
very interesting to me so I may try that out also before I sit down and take
the actual measurements and do this.

Being a Linux fellow myself, OpenSCAD has same serious appeal, but my
initial look at their website suggests that it might be overkill for this
first simple project. The learning curve looks much more substantial than
SketchUp. Is that a fair assessment?

Thanks,
JSR/

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Tyler Worman <tsworman at novaslp.net> wrote:

> I second the OpenSCAD mention. I had much better results with it as I can't
> get a handle on 3D modeling. It is totally my issue though and not
> Sketchups. Sketchip was easy to learn and start modeling quickly.
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From hi at zeitgeistbot.com  Tue Sep 20 22:33:06 2011
From: hi at zeitgeistbot.com (zeitgeistbot)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:33:06 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] More website changes
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6Vtj6uD3LE+czAQwf_vkJhtv2tmp0nqu8MKZyhxEFwMhmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VtOV2urGNLqYweTo1zQKh+3AHbLkX=aygA1FiGRK5ZC1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKY0pFRmV3hnbtUE3zOZYTaZU=cWLOX1mcvnbWxVxzQucWM2Pg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAGKcfwU3rH=HRhZmD-jVhrYGDCtmiicNLqr9eEamXjRGBWQA0g@mail.gmail.com>

Great start. I'm looking forward to more interesting refinements in the
future.


Jon
hi at jonmontenegro.com




On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Josiah Ritchie
<josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> I see your point and agree. Thanks for keeping us straight. I pulled it and
> reworded the spot on the wiki that I pulled the info from.
>
> JSR/
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:16 PM, David Smith <
> david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
>
>> The look is nice, but I object to the use of ghetto as a perjorative, even
>> in a quote attributed to a particular person.  This has the risk of being
>> perceived as a racist statement, although I am sure that is not the intent.
>> One of the goals of our project with Matt is to make hacking accessible to
>> poor and minority residents of Allentown to encourage economic development
>> and so we want to be careful about the messages we might unintentionally
>> convey about ourselves.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I've had wordpress sitting in the background for awhile so I moved it to
>>> the front. If you hit makelehighvalley.com, you'll see a major change.
>>> I'm tossing this up to see if I get an "Oh, my eyes, where'd my data go!
>>> Qwikster! Netflix!" reaction. Anyone have any strong feelings about the
>>> direction I'm going here?
>>>
>>> JSR/
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David L. Smith, Ph.D.
>> Director, Teacher Professional Development
>>
>>
>>
>> 3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
>> Allentown, PA 18103-3686
>> 484-664-1002 x111
>> david at davincisciencecenter.org
>> http://www.davincisciencecenter.org
>>
>>
>>
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From tsworman at novaslp.net  Tue Sep 20 22:43:37 2011
From: tsworman at novaslp.net (Tyler Worman)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:43:37 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Designing part for a 3D printer
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6Vu_fjr2A1pri+iXdQ6p5Yav-bY1A-BYr_qXSbfgEjYOsg@mail.gmail.com>
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A bit of a learning curve is a good assessment. The software is based
around adding and subtracting basic shapes.

It took me about an hour to figure out how all the basic things (cube,
translate, rotate, union, difference) worked and interacted with each other.

It has the ability to do much more than that (see the samples). Much of that
requires a bit of math. I think the big learning curve starts there.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Josiah Ritchie
<josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> So many good options! I didn't expect that.
>
> I played around with SketchUp tonight and made a very rough no measurements
> mockup pretty quickly once I learned a few techniques. SketchUp has been
> slow for me to learn also, but I may be able to pull this off.
>
> I just looked at TinkerCad and the idea of a browser based software seems
> very interesting to me so I may try that out also before I sit down and take
> the actual measurements and do this.
>
> Being a Linux fellow myself, OpenSCAD has same serious appeal, but my
> initial look at their website suggests that it might be overkill for this
> first simple project. The learning curve looks much more substantial than
> SketchUp. Is that a fair assessment?
>
> Thanks,
> JSR/
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Tyler Worman <tsworman at novaslp.net>wrote:
>
>> I second the OpenSCAD mention. I had much better results with it as I
>> can't get a handle on 3D modeling. It is totally my issue though and not
>> Sketchups. Sketchip was easy to learn and start modeling quickly.
>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Wed Sep 21 09:51:41 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:51:41 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] On incorporation,
 508 v. 501c3 and all that... and getting experienced help
Message-ID: <CANyh6Vvaf8QeG3PcUmghu7LYqfA477jAWRS-HpeXqPm34CD1zg@mail.gmail.com>

I found an article that brought together what I've heard everyone saying and
made the whole non-profit status stuff begin to make sense. I thought others
might benefit from it also so here it is:
http://womeninbusiness.about.com/od/foundinganonprofit/a/nonprofits101.htm

Additionally, I ran into an organization that specializes in helping orgs
like us get up and organized as well as by taking donations. They are called
the School Factory and the program I'm referring to is called the Space
Factory. I've begun to got to know them a bit and find out how they may be
able to help us. They're setup to take non-profit donations on our behalf
and are looking at other things like board insurance, grants and accounting
support. It sounds like an interesting idea. The guy I've been in contact
with is James Carlson. My initial study suggests that he's been involved in
standing up a few organizations like this and has experience we could
benefit from.

I do get the impression that it is still rather early for them and that
they're also getting their feet on the ground, but several other
hackerspaces are already checking them out. James has offered to do a call
during one of our meetings to talk with the whole group. I'm going to look
into setting that up.

Find out more here:
http://atrium.schoolfactory.org/spacefed/start

JSR/
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 17:22:57 2011
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 18:22:57 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Micro-controller Project!
In-Reply-To: <4E79530E.3020608@taggers.org>
References: <57A4408B-1043-403B-81A2-602AF317DA44@gmail.com>
	<CANyh6VvOuXUpj++B0Mqe0wYMcs0zW45=KRh1mx3Pp06A=Hwz2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAChUMCqG4rSAU3EEQixdPqTpkHtftv1va7sh9oQn36EZuoQPWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<403407451-1316526405-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-139970191-@b3.c7.bise6.blackberry>
	<CAO8063UFy6M_kPCxXqSD6hto6qfDdYqAF_wv48jK18fBZHOoUg@mail.gmail.com>
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Stuck at work. Won't be back in the valley until 8 tonight. This was a big
meeting so today that happens monthly. So i should be back next week. When I
get home I'll order some supplies for the microcontroller project like a the
uC, servo, shift register, proto board, and some grab bag of resistors.
Should be enough for starting the project. Sorry I won't be there.

-Will

On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
> it occurs to me i don't have Thursday off so i won't be there... i should
be back next thursday
>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Thu Sep 22 21:38:00 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:38:00 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Micro-controller Project!
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063X=QEh-a3=mLrvoN-Hg9rS6i1EsO9QPY3Ap0dQKpU19Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57A4408B-1043-403B-81A2-602AF317DA44@gmail.com>
	<CANyh6VvOuXUpj++B0Mqe0wYMcs0zW45=KRh1mx3Pp06A=Hwz2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAChUMCqG4rSAU3EEQixdPqTpkHtftv1va7sh9oQn36EZuoQPWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<403407451-1316526405-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-139970191-@b3.c7.bise6.blackberry>
	<CAO8063UFy6M_kPCxXqSD6hto6qfDdYqAF_wv48jK18fBZHOoUg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CANyh6VuEnTmZPH1aAyOGzKVrgiZtJ+Og9g-35c=zaa+Hp-31Tw@mail.gmail.com>

You were both missed. I'll be out next week for a family vacation time.

JSR/

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> Stuck at work. Won't be back in the valley until 8 tonight. This was a big
> meeting so today that happens monthly. So i should be back next week. When I
> get home I'll order some supplies for the microcontroller project like a the
> uC, servo, shift register, proto board, and some grab bag of resistors.
> Should be enough for starting the project. Sorry I won't be there.
>
> -Will
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
> > it occurs to me i don't have Thursday off so i won't be there... i should
> be back next thursday
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From scott.piccotti at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 08:53:21 2011
From: scott.piccotti at gmail.com (scott piccotti)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:53:21 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] More tech salvage
Message-ID: <CAC8c5=JsWMrzDyG+s4tzh-d9jcJA-yni56G0OURSrtCPE6RrhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning,
 We have another small pile of stuff we're getting rid of at Dan's
Camera City. There's some old computers, including a Xerox RIP running
Solaris, large format dot matrix printers, and at least a couple
flat-panel monitors. It's not the truckloads of stuff like last time,
but there's at least a few good bits in there. Some of it might be
stuff we could sell off to raise money. Is this something we'd be
interested in taking?

 -Scott



From rob at pabut.org  Fri Sep 23 08:54:23 2011
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:54:23 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] USED BIKE DRIVE
Message-ID: <CAE1O4xqnC5jvEcM4jyfcdONu1oYSUpyArQeiEP78bjWzYiw8jQ@mail.gmail.com>

Moravian Academy Rotary Interact Club is hosting a Used Bike Drive, Sunday,
September 25, from 1-4pm on the Merle-Smith Campus.

This collection supports the Pedals for Progress organization, providing
bicycles and sewing machines to entrepreneurs in developing countries.

www.p4p.org

More info: Dan Axford, 610-691-1600, ext. 322 or daxford at moravianacademy.org
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From rob at pabut.org  Fri Sep 23 09:02:43 2011
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:02:43 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] More tech salvage
In-Reply-To: <CAC8c5=JsWMrzDyG+s4tzh-d9jcJA-yni56G0OURSrtCPE6RrhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC8c5=JsWMrzDyG+s4tzh-d9jcJA-yni56G0OURSrtCPE6RrhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1O4xpO1NLOUbCBUxtq_79tPOEYYpeNvz5ehngJM5mRB=c4Mg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey "parts is parts!" :) Flat panel monitors are always handy ... and
printers have lots of gears and stepper motors .... computer parts are
always good to have on hand

but I also think we need to find and eco-friendly way to depose of the
things we're NEVER going to use ... fried circuit boards ... etc .....



On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:53 PM, scott piccotti <scott.piccotti at gmail.com>wrote:

> Good morning,
>  We have another small pile of stuff we're getting rid of at Dan's
> Camera City. There's some old computers, including a Xerox RIP running
> Solaris, large format dot matrix printers, and at least a couple
> flat-panel monitors. It's not the truckloads of stuff like last time,
> but there's at least a few good bits in there. Some of it might be
> stuff we could sell off to raise money. Is this something we'd be
> interested in taking?
>
>  -Scott
>
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
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From scott.piccotti at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 09:42:04 2011
From: scott.piccotti at gmail.com (scott piccotti)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 10:42:04 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] More tech salvage
In-Reply-To: <CAE1O4xpO1NLOUbCBUxtq_79tPOEYYpeNvz5ehngJM5mRB=c4Mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC8c5=JsWMrzDyG+s4tzh-d9jcJA-yni56G0OURSrtCPE6RrhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1O4xpO1NLOUbCBUxtq_79tPOEYYpeNvz5ehngJM5mRB=c4Mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC8c5=LW3M1PB7fyY76nRhny5UeODg3YizzkYN7+Ju+RDJX_NA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Rob <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
> but I also think we need to find and eco-friendly way to depose of the
> things we're NEVER going to use ... fried circuit boards ... etc .....

Circuit boards stripped of components can become spiffy-looking
clipboards, notebook covers, cufflinks...


 -scottp



From staticphantom at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 09:42:15 2011
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 10:42:15 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] More tech salvage
In-Reply-To: <CAE1O4xpO1NLOUbCBUxtq_79tPOEYYpeNvz5ehngJM5mRB=c4Mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC8c5=JsWMrzDyG+s4tzh-d9jcJA-yni56G0OURSrtCPE6RrhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1O4xpO1NLOUbCBUxtq_79tPOEYYpeNvz5ehngJM5mRB=c4Mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8063USTTCxQVHKEdiAGQeCtWszsUgJ+Q0KreimbjVhn-Uivw@mail.gmail.com>

We could have a recycling drive for marketting purposes one of these
days. If we get it sponsored we can get free parts and take anything
that is scrapped beyond our use to here:
http://www.aercrecycling.com/. The idea is that we use the sponsor to
cover the fee that we may have for all the stuff that is truly scrap
beyond our uses.

The idea is that reusing is better than recycling scrap. With that
said, does anyone want to print this poster to put in the space?

http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

-Will

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Rob <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
> Hey "parts is parts!" :) Flat panel monitors are always handy ... and
> printers have lots of gears and stepper motors .... computer parts are
> always good to have on hand
>
> but I also think we need to find and eco-friendly way to depose of the
> things we're NEVER going to use ... fried circuit boards ... etc .....
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:53 PM, scott piccotti <scott.piccotti at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Good morning,
>> ?We have another small pile of stuff we're getting rid of at Dan's
>> Camera City. There's some old computers, including a Xerox RIP running
>> Solaris, large format dot matrix printers, and at least a couple
>> flat-panel monitors. It's not the truckloads of stuff like last time,
>> but there's at least a few good bits in there. Some of it might be
>> stuff we could sell off to raise money. Is this something we'd be
>> interested in taking?
>>
>> ?-Scott
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>
>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>
>
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>
>



From rob at pabut.org  Fri Sep 23 10:05:41 2011
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 15:05:41 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] More tech salvage
In-Reply-To: <CAC8c5=LW3M1PB7fyY76nRhny5UeODg3YizzkYN7+Ju+RDJX_NA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC8c5=JsWMrzDyG+s4tzh-d9jcJA-yni56G0OURSrtCPE6RrhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1O4xpO1NLOUbCBUxtq_79tPOEYYpeNvz5ehngJM5mRB=c4Mg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC8c5=LW3M1PB7fyY76nRhny5UeODg3YizzkYN7+Ju+RDJX_NA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1O4xqUbBPkucc4_7NzBkt+AqKq_Xih-J9SwQHw7g9AY+KM6A@mail.gmail.com>

heh ... guess you're right ... one persons junk is another persons treasure
.... :D



On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:42 PM, scott piccotti <scott.piccotti at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Rob <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
> > but I also think we need to find and eco-friendly way to depose of the
> > things we're NEVER going to use ... fried circuit boards ... etc .....
>
> Circuit boards stripped of components can become spiffy-looking
> clipboards, notebook covers, cufflinks...
>
>
>  -scottp
>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Sep 23 11:10:10 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:10:10 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] More tech salvage
In-Reply-To: <CAE1O4xpO1NLOUbCBUxtq_79tPOEYYpeNvz5ehngJM5mRB=c4Mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC8c5=JsWMrzDyG+s4tzh-d9jcJA-yni56G0OURSrtCPE6RrhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1O4xpO1NLOUbCBUxtq_79tPOEYYpeNvz5ehngJM5mRB=c4Mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANyh6Vv57gVnv4fO3ASWrBZVjFLgsDtLfL_df4JFmpEH5-ypCQ@mail.gmail.com>

AERC has taken circuit boards from me at no cost before. I paid for CRTs and
some other things, but stripped down they don't seem to be a problem.

JSR/

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Rob <rob at pabut.org> wrote:

> Hey "parts is parts!" :) Flat panel monitors are always handy ... and
> printers have lots of gears and stepper motors .... computer parts are
> always good to have on hand
>
> but I also think we need to find and eco-friendly way to depose of the
> things we're NEVER going to use ... fried circuit boards ... etc .....
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:53 PM, scott piccotti <scott.piccotti at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Good morning,
>>  We have another small pile of stuff we're getting rid of at Dan's
>> Camera City. There's some old computers, including a Xerox RIP running
>> Solaris, large format dot matrix printers, and at least a couple
>> flat-panel monitors. It's not the truckloads of stuff like last time,
>> but there's at least a few good bits in there. Some of it might be
>> stuff we could sell off to raise money. Is this something we'd be
>> interested in taking?
>>
>>  -Scott
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>
>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>
>
>
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From matuerk at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 11:19:03 2011
From: matuerk at gmail.com (Matthew Tuerk)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:19:03 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] More tech salvage
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6Vv57gVnv4fO3ASWrBZVjFLgsDtLfL_df4JFmpEH5-ypCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC8c5=JsWMrzDyG+s4tzh-d9jcJA-yni56G0OURSrtCPE6RrhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1O4xpO1NLOUbCBUxtq_79tPOEYYpeNvz5ehngJM5mRB=c4Mg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANyh6Vv57gVnv4fO3ASWrBZVjFLgsDtLfL_df4JFmpEH5-ypCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <648B84D8-AEC6-4A22-B6A2-5D018131D852@gmail.com>

Interestingly enough, AERC used to be in the building as a tenant/client. 

I wonder if there are any opportunities to do some pre-recycling for them? Surely they are receiving stuff that they could donate to us.

/Matthew Tuerk
matuerk at gmail.com

On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Josiah Ritchie wrote:

> AERC has taken circuit boards from me at no cost before. I paid for CRTs and some other things, but stripped down they don't seem to be a problem.
> 
> JSR/
> 
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Rob <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
> Hey "parts is parts!" :) Flat panel monitors are always handy ... and printers have lots of gears and stepper motors .... computer parts are always good to have on hand 
> 
> but I also think we need to find and eco-friendly way to depose of the things we're NEVER going to use ... fried circuit boards ... etc ..... 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:53 PM, scott piccotti <scott.piccotti at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good morning,
>  We have another small pile of stuff we're getting rid of at Dan's
> Camera City. There's some old computers, including a Xerox RIP running
> Solaris, large format dot matrix printers, and at least a couple
> flat-panel monitors. It's not the truckloads of stuff like last time,
> but there's at least a few good bits in there. Some of it might be
> stuff we could sell off to raise money. Is this something we'd be
> interested in taking?
> 
>  -Scott
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From tronwizard at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 24 20:02:03 2011
From: tronwizard at yahoo.com (Mr Thomas Rumpf)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:02:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MakeLV] MCU programmers, 'pre-cycling', Ubuntu install
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I'm constructing a programmer for use with a Linux app for Microchip PIC MCU's. I should have it up and running before the end of Sept.

Regarding 'pre-cycling' for AERC, if they're up for it, count me in as a worker bee. I do a great deal of part recovery from all the PC boards I can get my hands on.

Ubuntu install status on Space computer for MCU programming and CNC machine control, as of this moment install took about 5 hours, on reboot, hard drive failed, lots of errors. Scanning hard drive and looking for replacement.

Tom R.
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From scott.piccotti at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 21:07:08 2011
From: scott.piccotti at gmail.com (Scott Piccotti)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 22:07:08 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] MCU programmers, 'pre-cycling', Ubuntu install
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On Sep 24, 2011, at 9:02 PM, Mr Thomas Rumpf <tronwizard at yahoo.com>  
wrote:

> [...] I do a great deal of part recovery from all the PC boards I  
> can get my hands on.

This sounds like a good skill for more of us to have. How would you  
feel about giving us a little how-to demonstration sometime?

   -scott
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Sun Sep 25 06:45:33 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 07:45:33 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] MCU programmers, 'pre-cycling', Ubuntu install
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Wow, 5hrs and it fails! Thanks for the work Tom. I'll look around as see if
I have any spare hard drives. If we don't use them on that project, we
certainly put them to use in another.

JSR/

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Mr Thomas Rumpf <tronwizard at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I'm constructing a programmer for use with a Linux app for Microchip PIC
> MCU's. I should have it up and running before the end of Sept.
>
> Regarding 'pre-cycling' for AERC, if they're up for it, count me in as a
> worker bee. I do a great deal of part recovery from all the PC boards I can
> get my hands on.
>
> Ubuntu install status on Space computer for MCU programming and CNC
> machine control, as of this moment install took about 5 hours, on reboot,
> hard drive failed, lots of errors. Scanning hard drive and looking for
> replacement.
>
> Tom R.
>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Sat Sep 24 20:19:52 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 21:19:52 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Sketchup of my part for 3D printing
Message-ID: <CANyh6VsdQmsLrmB_BQnFTdgcxL_10r6=dJ3e9TmuayNNXggjsg@mail.gmail.com>

Here's my part. Anyone have any pointers on doing something to improve it's
ability to print in 3D? or just improve the quality of it overall?

I'm concerned that the nubs on the sides will fall when printed because they
don't have any support.

Thanks,
JSR/
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From rhkramer at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 07:12:34 2011
From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:12:34 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] MCU programmers, 'pre-cycling', Ubuntu install
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I'm about ready to get rid of a CRT type monitor.  It is 17", color, and the 
problem is that the display is getting dim.

Is that of any use to you guys with respect to recycling?  (Removal of 
parts, ...)

Randy Kramer

On Saturday 24 September 2011 09:02:03 pm Mr Thomas Rumpf wrote:
> I'm constructing a programmer for use with a Linux app for Microchip PIC
> MCU's. I should have it up and running before the end of Sept.
>
> Regarding 'pre-cycling' for AERC, if they're up for it, count me in as a
> worker bee. I do a great deal of part recovery from all the PC boards I can
> get my hands on.
>
> Ubuntu install status on Space computer for MCU programming and CNC machine
> control, as of this moment install took about 5 hours, on reboot, hard
> drive failed, lots of errors. Scanning hard drive and looking for
> replacement.
>
> Tom R.





From rob at pabut.org  Sun Sep 25 08:42:06 2011
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:42:06 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] Sketchup of my part for 3D printing
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RE: the nubs on the sides ... I've hard the term "stilts" used ... for
temporary supports built into the design that you remove later ... so
basically after the print take out a razor blade and trim off the stilt ....


On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> Here's my part. Anyone have any pointers on doing something to improve it's
> ability to print in 3D? or just improve the quality of it overall?
>
> I'm concerned that the nubs on the sides will fall when printed because
> they don't have any support.
>
> Thanks,
> JSR/
>
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From tbuser at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 17:46:52 2011
From: tbuser at gmail.com (Tony Buser)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:46:52 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Sketchup of my part for 3D printing
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You've got some funky geometry in the base and a few of the faces are facing
the wrong way.  In sketchup, you want all the faces to be white, so you can
right click on the blue faces and select Reverse Face.

For the nubs on the sides, you could try printing the nubs separately as
small blocks with a cylinder sticking up, then put small circular holes in
the sides of the main part.  Then you can snap the nubs into the sides and
glue it.  Might be hard though because they're so small.

You could print it as is with automatic support.  It might not look pretty,
but I'm guessing looks won't matter for this?

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> Here's my part. Anyone have any pointers on doing something to improve it's
> ability to print in 3D? or just improve the quality of it overall?
>
> I'm concerned that the nubs on the sides will fall when printed because
> they don't have any support.
>
> Thanks,
> JSR/
>
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From whatever at taggers.org  Sun Sep 25 18:36:01 2011
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 19:36:01 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] MCU programmers, thursday
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i'll be bringing back the computer, and be installing os's on it.
i have some bike parts matthew would probably be interested.



From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Sun Sep 25 21:21:17 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 22:21:17 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Sketchup of my part for 3D printing
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Thanks Tony and Rob.

I suppose a dremel or utility knife could easily remove some excess plastic
pretty quick that would prop up those nubs. That seems doable.

Yeah, the base geometry is due to a bit of "eh, I give up, this'll do" work.
Is that likely to be problematic or just needing a bit of sanding? I'm not
going for beautiful because its function is to be slammed on the ground
while spinning at high speeds so it'll naturally even out.

Thanks for the hint about the Reverse Face feature. That sounds like a good
thing to know. I took care of that, but I'm having trouble with the bottom.
If I reverse it inside, it show the gray instead of white on the outside.
The bottom of that cylinder has given me the most trouble. I originally
built out the inside, but it got erased while I was doing something else and
then I had to try to rebuild it. Is there a better way? I'm sure there must
be. :-)

Thanks also for the idea about making it in parts. I think I'd rather sand
out extra than glue something on a curved surface. I expect that would be
the weaker of the two options and I think that nub could get some abuse when
I pound this thing on the ground to get string out of the weed wacker. Am I
right about the glue or would it just be an issue of using the right epoxy?

JSR/

On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Tony Buser <tbuser at gmail.com> wrote:

> You've got some funky geometry in the base and a few of the faces are
> facing the wrong way.  In sketchup, you want all the faces to be white, so
> you can right click on the blue faces and select Reverse Face.
>
> For the nubs on the sides, you could try printing the nubs separately as
> small blocks with a cylinder sticking up, then put small circular holes in
> the sides of the main part.  Then you can snap the nubs into the sides and
> glue it.  Might be hard though because they're so small.
>
> You could print it as is with automatic support.  It might not look pretty,
> but I'm guessing looks won't matter for this?
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:
>
>> Here's my part. Anyone have any pointers on doing something to improve
>> it's ability to print in 3D? or just improve the quality of it overall?
>>
>> I'm concerned that the nubs on the sides will fall when printed because
>> they don't have any support.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JSR/
>>
>
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From tbuser at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 22:30:21 2011
From: tbuser at gmail.com (Tony Buser)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 23:30:21 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Sketchup of my part for 3D printing
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Cool think about having a MakerBot, you can try each method and it will only
cost you a few cents worth of plastic.  What is it for anyway?

By the way, you could probably model this in about 6 lines of OpenSCAD code
and it would be a complete solid and easy to modify the dimensions until you
get it right.  :)

On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Josiah Ritchie
<josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> Thanks Tony and Rob.
>
> I suppose a dremel or utility knife could easily remove some excess plastic
> pretty quick that would prop up those nubs. That seems doable.
>
> Yeah, the base geometry is due to a bit of "eh, I give up, this'll do"
> work. Is that likely to be problematic or just needing a bit of sanding? I'm
> not going for beautiful because its function is to be slammed on the ground
> while spinning at high speeds so it'll naturally even out.
>
> Thanks for the hint about the Reverse Face feature. That sounds like a good
> thing to know. I took care of that, but I'm having trouble with the bottom.
> If I reverse it inside, it show the gray instead of white on the outside.
> The bottom of that cylinder has given me the most trouble. I originally
> built out the inside, but it got erased while I was doing something else and
> then I had to try to rebuild it. Is there a better way? I'm sure there must
> be. :-)
>
> Thanks also for the idea about making it in parts. I think I'd rather sand
> out extra than glue something on a curved surface. I expect that would be
> the weaker of the two options and I think that nub could get some abuse when
> I pound this thing on the ground to get string out of the weed wacker. Am I
> right about the glue or would it just be an issue of using the right epoxy?
>
> JSR/
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Tony Buser <tbuser at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You've got some funky geometry in the base and a few of the faces are
>> facing the wrong way.  In sketchup, you want all the faces to be white, so
>> you can right click on the blue faces and select Reverse Face.
>>
>> For the nubs on the sides, you could try printing the nubs separately as
>> small blocks with a cylinder sticking up, then put small circular holes in
>> the sides of the main part.  Then you can snap the nubs into the sides and
>> glue it.  Might be hard though because they're so small.
>>
>> You could print it as is with automatic support.  It might not look
>> pretty, but I'm guessing looks won't matter for this?
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Here's my part. Anyone have any pointers on doing something to improve
>>> it's ability to print in 3D? or just improve the quality of it overall?
>>>
>>> I'm concerned that the nubs on the sides will fall when printed because
>>> they don't have any support.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> JSR/
>>>
>>
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From tbuser at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 23:01:35 2011
From: tbuser at gmail.com (Tony Buser)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 00:01:35 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Sketchup of my part for 3D printing
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Ok, it took a little more than 6 lines, but I went crazy and made it all
parametric.  Check out the attached script if you'd like to learn OpenSCAD.
:)

On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Tony Buser <tbuser at gmail.com> wrote:

> Cool think about having a MakerBot, you can try each method and it will
> only cost you a few cents worth of plastic.  What is it for anyway?
>
> By the way, you could probably model this in about 6 lines of OpenSCAD code
> and it would be a complete solid and easy to modify the dimensions until you
> get it right.  :)
>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Mon Sep 26 06:53:02 2011
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:53:02 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Sketchup of my part for 3D printing
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Ooohhh! Thanks Tony! I just opened that up in OpenSCAD and there is
something very appealing about seeing the code behind it and being able to
modify that stuff with a simply change of the numbers. It seems like that
would be much more precise.

It is a part for an old craftsman weed wacker, the one that releases the
string when you bump it on the ground. I've actually ordered the
replacement, but it has been backordered for about a month and I'm getting
tired of letting string out by hand. It has a spring inside the cup and the
nubs on the sides pop in and out of another part like the button on the top
of a pen that retracts the tip.

Knowing that Dave here has offered up his Makerbot's services, I figured I'd
give the part a try. It's not quite as easy as having it in the house, but
there's no reason I couldn't send him a few different designs cause you're
right, it's a very cheap solution so mistakes are easy to deal with.

JSR/

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Tony Buser <tbuser at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, it took a little more than 6 lines, but I went crazy and made it all
> parametric.  Check out the attached script if you'd like to learn OpenSCAD.
> :)
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Tony Buser <tbuser at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cool think about having a MakerBot, you can try each method and it will
>> only cost you a few cents worth of plastic.  What is it for anyway?
>>
>> By the way, you could probably model this in about 6 lines of OpenSCAD
>> code and it would be a complete solid and easy to modify the dimensions
>> until you get it right.  :)
>>
>
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From david at davincisciencecenter.org  Mon Sep 26 07:05:50 2011
From: david at davincisciencecenter.org (David Smith)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:05:50 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Sketchup of my part for 3D printing
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6Vs3J-MYLpUoXJbUJTPBGBab64ixkorUGHTPjAKB4t=qEQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, thanks for posting that, Tony.  It inspires me to get more serious
about learning OpenSCAD.  Is it possible to define shapes by equations?
(for example, extruding something with a parabolic cross section)

Dave

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> Ooohhh! Thanks Tony! I just opened that up in OpenSCAD and there is
> something very appealing about seeing the code behind it and being able to
> modify that stuff with a simply change of the numbers. It seems like that
> would be much more precise.
>
> It is a part for an old craftsman weed wacker, the one that releases the
> string when you bump it on the ground. I've actually ordered the
> replacement, but it has been backordered for about a month and I'm getting
> tired of letting string out by hand. It has a spring inside the cup and the
> nubs on the sides pop in and out of another part like the button on the top
> of a pen that retracts the tip.
>
> Knowing that Dave here has offered up his Makerbot's services, I figured
> I'd give the part a try. It's not quite as easy as having it in the house,
> but there's no reason I couldn't send him a few different designs cause
> you're right, it's a very cheap solution so mistakes are easy to deal with.
>
> JSR/
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Tony Buser <tbuser at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, it took a little more than 6 lines, but I went crazy and made it all
>> parametric.  Check out the attached script if you'd like to learn OpenSCAD.
>> :)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Tony Buser <tbuser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cool think about having a MakerBot, you can try each method and it will
>>> only cost you a few cents worth of plastic.  What is it for anyway?
>>>
>>> By the way, you could probably model this in about 6 lines of OpenSCAD
>>> code and it would be a complete solid and easy to modify the dimensions
>>> until you get it right.  :)
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 07:23:41 2011
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:23:41 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Micro-controller Project!
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Ordered some parts including some Atmega328's. I'll be using the AVR
tools with them but if someone must... they can treat them like an
arduino. So... if anyone has an RFID reader please bring it in next
week. All the parts I ordered won't be in until Friday at the
earliest.  I did order some shift registers so hopefully this week
I'll open up the LED sign and see what we have to use there.

-Will

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Josiah Ritchie
<josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
> You were both missed. I'll be out next week for a family vacation time.
> JSR/
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Stuck at work. Won't be back in the valley until 8 tonight. This was a big
>> meeting so today that happens monthly. So i should be back next week. When I
>> get home I'll order some supplies for the microcontroller project like a the
>> uC, servo, shift register, proto board, and some grab bag of resistors.
>> Should be enough for starting the project. Sorry I won't be there.
>>
>> -Will
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>> > it occurs to me i don't have Thursday off so i won't be there... i
>> > should be back next thursday
>
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From tbuser at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 10:38:48 2011
From: tbuser at gmail.com (Tony Buser)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:38:48 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Sketchup of my part for 3D printing
In-Reply-To: <CAKY0pFT16zHbw7MNaOg4z7hk-F8XiMnzmL7+oyZ4feopyaaWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
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The OpenSCAD language is pretty limited, but some people have managed to do
some interesting mathematical curves like this:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:9564 and
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:11243

Also, you can use programs like Matlab to define points and then use
openscad to take those points and turn them into a surface:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:7762

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:05 AM, David Smith <david at davincisciencecenter.org
> wrote:

> Yes, thanks for posting that, Tony.  It inspires me to get more serious
> about learning OpenSCAD.  Is it possible to define shapes by equations?
> (for example, extruding something with a parabolic cross section)
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:
>
>> Ooohhh! Thanks Tony! I just opened that up in OpenSCAD and there is
>> something very appealing about seeing the code behind it and being able to
>> modify that stuff with a simply change of the numbers. It seems like that
>> would be much more precise.
>>
>> It is a part for an old craftsman weed wacker, the one that releases the
>> string when you bump it on the ground. I've actually ordered the
>> replacement, but it has been backordered for about a month and I'm getting
>> tired of letting string out by hand. It has a spring inside the cup and the
>> nubs on the sides pop in and out of another part like the button on the top
>> of a pen that retracts the tip.
>>
>> Knowing that Dave here has offered up his Makerbot's services, I figured
>> I'd give the part a try. It's not quite as easy as having it in the house,
>> but there's no reason I couldn't send him a few different designs cause
>> you're right, it's a very cheap solution so mistakes are easy to deal with.
>>
>> JSR/
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Tony Buser <tbuser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, it took a little more than 6 lines, but I went crazy and made it all
>>> parametric.  Check out the attached script if you'd like to learn OpenSCAD.
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Tony Buser <tbuser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cool think about having a MakerBot, you can try each method and it will
>>>> only cost you a few cents worth of plastic.  What is it for anyway?
>>>>
>>>> By the way, you could probably model this in about 6 lines of OpenSCAD
>>>> code and it would be a complete solid and easy to modify the dimensions
>>>> until you get it right.  :)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>
>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>>
>>>
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>>
>
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> Director, Teacher Professional Development
>
>
>
> 3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
> Allentown, PA 18103-3686
> 484-664-1002 x111
> david at davincisciencecenter.org
> http://www.davincisciencecenter.org
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From whatever at taggers.org  Mon Sep 26 14:32:08 2011
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:32:08 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Micro-controller Project!
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i'll bring it and the data sheet.



From tronwizard at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 26 21:38:52 2011
From: tronwizard at yahoo.com (Mr Thomas Rumpf)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:38:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MakeLV] CRT life extension, demo of PC board parts salvage,
	Ubuntu Box
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1316966404.21108.makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com@makelehighvalley.com>
References: <mailman.1.1316966404.21108.makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com@makelehighvalley.com>
Message-ID: <1317091132.40015.YahooMailNeo@web130209.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As for techniques on salvaging parts from PC boards, it's on my list of things to do.
I intend to try a new technique/tool for surface mount removal and could tie a demo in with that.
I dpn't think I'd want to schedule it any sooner than the second week of October.

Regarding the failed hard drive being to used to give life to an Ubuntu box, I have a relative due for a hard drive upgrade because they filled it, old drive will become Ubuntu drive, 30GB Maxtor should have a few years left on it. I should be able to get this done prior to the 29 Sept meet.


>Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:12:34 -0400
>From: Randy Kramer <rhkramer at gmail.com>
>To: Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>Subject: Re: [MakeLV] MCU programmers, 'pre-cycling', Ubuntu install

>I'm about ready to get rid of a CRT type monitor.? It is 17", color, and the 
>problem is that the display is getting dim.

>Is that of any use to you guys with respect to recycling?? (Removal of 
>parts, ...)

>Randy Kramer

I can adjust that monitor to give us at least another year of life, probably two.

Tom R.
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From robert.stiffler at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 22:00:44 2011
From: robert.stiffler at gmail.com (Robert Stiffler)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:00:44 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] CRT life extension, demo of PC board parts salvage,
 Ubuntu Box
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What is the intended use of the Ubuntu box?

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Mr Thomas Rumpf <tronwizard at yahoo.com>wrote:

> As for techniques on salvaging parts from PC boards, it's on my list of
> things to do.
> I intend to try a new technique/tool for surface mount removal and could
> tie a demo in with that.
> I dpn't think I'd want to schedule it any sooner than the second week of
> October.
>
> Regarding the failed hard drive being to used to give life to an Ubuntu
> box, I have a relative due for a hard drive upgrade because they filled it,
> old drive will become Ubuntu drive, 30GB Maxtor should have a few years left
> on it. I should be able to get this done prior to the 29 Sept meet.
>
> >Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:12:34 -0400
> >From: Randy Kramer <rhkramer at gmail.com>
> >To: Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
> >Subject: Re: [MakeLV] MCU programmers, 'pre-cycling', Ubuntu install
>
> >I'm about ready to get rid of a CRT type monitor.  It is 17", color, and
> the
> >problem is that the display is getting dim.
>
> >Is that of any use to you guys with respect to recycling?  (Removal of
> >parts, ...)
>
> >Randy Kramer
>
> I can adjust that monitor to give us at least another year of life,
> probably two.
>
> Tom R.
>
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From rhkramer at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 06:07:07 2011
From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:07:07 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] CRT life extension, demo of PC board parts salvage,
	Ubuntu Box
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References: <mailman.1.1316966404.21108.makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com@makelehighvalley.com>
	<1317091132.40015.YahooMailNeo@web130209.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <201109270707.07599.rhkramer@gmail.com>

On Monday 26 September 2011 10:38:52 pm Mr Thomas Rumpf wrote:
> >From: Randy Kramer <rhkramer at gmail.com>
> >I'm about ready to get rid of a CRT type monitor.? It is 17", color, and
> > the problem is that the display is getting dim.
> I can adjust that monitor to give us at least another year of life,
> probably two.

Tom R.,

Ok, unless you advise otherwise, I'll put that on my list of things to get to 
the facility "real soon now" (along with the 3 cartons of books I mentioned 
some time ago)--maybe that will give me an excuse to show up at least briefly 
this Thursday or next.

Randy Kramer







From tronwizard at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 27 18:43:36 2011
From: tronwizard at yahoo.com (Mr Thomas Rumpf)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:43:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MakeLV] Makerspace Ubuntu box usage
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1317139207.24660.makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com@makelehighvalley.com>
References: <mailman.1.1317139207.24660.makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com@makelehighvalley.com>
Message-ID: <1317167016.88525.YahooMailNeo@web130211.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:00:44 -0400

>From: Robert Stiffler <robert.stiffler at gmail.com>
>To: "Build things for fun!" <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>Subject: Re: [MakeLV] CRT life extension, demo of PC board parts
?> ? salvage, Ubuntu Box
>Message-ID:
?< ? <CAK88nqNCkHrWkUsp3ga9ot9E0B9zJryrcFjXQJ+tQtz5VCtJTg at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">>>

>What is the intended use of the Ubuntu box?

The box will be used will be used for machine control, CNC, with EMC2 and I'm building a programmer for PikLab for Microchip PIC microcontrollers.

Tom R.
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 18:49:31 2011
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (William Christensen)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:49:31 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Makerspace Ubuntu box usage
In-Reply-To: <1317167016.88525.YahooMailNeo@web130211.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <381D4843-8144-4039-BFB1-53C19F9B3AA7@gmail.com>

There is a problem with *nix systems and PIC's. While I'm not saying  
they don't work, I do have experience with them being very difficult  
to use with the exception of older 8 bit PICs. If yo plan on using a  
PICKit 3, good luck because the process is difficult.

-Will

On Sep 27, 2011, at 7:43 PM, Mr Thomas Rumpf wrote:

> >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:00:44 -0400
> >From: Robert Stiffler <robert.stiffler at gmail.com>
> >To: "Build things for fun!" <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
> >Subject: Re: [MakeLV] CRT life extension, demo of PC board parts
>  >   salvage, Ubuntu Box
> >Message-ID:
>  <   <CAK88nqNCkHrWkUsp3ga9ot9E0B9zJryrcFjXQJ+tQtz5VCtJTg at mail.gmail.com 
> >
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">>>
>
> >What is the intended use of the Ubuntu box?
>
> The box will be used will be used for machine control, CNC, with  
> EMC2 and I'm building a programmer for PikLab for Microchip PIC  
> microcontrollers.
>
> Tom R.
>
> _______________________________________________
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