From steve at davincisciencecenter.org  Thu Nov  1 08:39:51 2012
From: steve at davincisciencecenter.org (Stephen P. McGorry)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:39:51 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Dodecaudion music controller
Message-ID: <20121101133347.D2699BB2004@smtp.cliu.org>

Hello everyone,

 

  My name is Steve McGorry and I work at the Da Vinci Science Center.  I am
new to this list but I have heard nothing but great things about the
organization and the maker space!  I am interested in working on some
musical projects with people that are knowledgeable with electronics.  My
background in circuitry and arduino boards is minimal, but I am very
interested in learning how to build devices.  Particularly, I saw this
controller called the dodecaudion that is described here:

http://www.hedoco.com/en/Our-Products/Hedoco-Design/Dodecaudion

There is a video link on this page as well as a DIY link at the bottom of
this webpage that will give you access to plans.  Is anyone interested in
trying to tackle this with me?

 

Steve McGorry

Outreach Coordinator and Science Educator

 



 

Da Vinci Science Center

3145 Hamilton Blvd. Bypass

Allentown, PA 18103

484.664.1002, Ext. 114

steve at davincisciencecenter.org

www.davincisciencecenter.org

 

 

 

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From jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 08:43:10 2012
From: jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com (Jeremy Sawruk)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:43:10 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Dodecaudion music controller
In-Reply-To: <20121101133347.D2699BB2004@smtp.cliu.org>
References: <20121101133347.D2699BB2004@smtp.cliu.org>
Message-ID: <CANRG7pR-dPpjVg+EzNx_rh+xAMpvF5mCeVbn22_huDZcgahu4w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Steve,
I actually have some experience building things like this. Although I am
not a maker per se, I am a software developer and musician by trade, so I
have tinkered in this area.

I do some basic Arduino work, and for music controllers like this I
interface into either Max/MSP or Pd. Please contact me off list to discuss
further.

J. Sawruk

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Stephen P. McGorry <
steve at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:

> ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
>
> Hello everyone,****
>
> ** **
>
>   My name is Steve McGorry and I work at the Da Vinci Science Center.  I
> am new to this list but I have heard nothing but great things about the
> organization and the maker space!  I am interested in working on some
> musical projects with people that are knowledgeable with electronics.  My
> background in circuitry and arduino boards is minimal, but I am very
> interested in learning how to build devices.  Particularly, I saw this
> controller called the dodecaudion that is described here:****
>
> http://www.hedoco.com/en/Our-Products/Hedoco-Design/Dodecaudion****
>
> There is a video link on this page as well as a DIY link at the bottom of
> this webpage that will give you access to plans.  Is anyone interested in
> trying to tackle this with me?****
>
> ** **
>
> Steve McGorry****
>
> Outreach Coordinator and Science Educator****
>
> ** **
>
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> Da ****Vinci** **Science** **Center********
>
> ****3145 Hamilton Blvd.**** Bypass****
>
> ****Allentown**, **PA** **18103********
>
> 484.664.1002, Ext. 114****
>
> steve at davincisciencecenter.org****
>
> www.davincisciencecenter.org****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> ** **
>
> _______________________________________________
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Thu Nov  1 09:35:16 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:35:16 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Dodecaudion music controller
In-Reply-To: <20121101133347.D2699BB2004@smtp.cliu.org>
References: <20121101133347.D2699BB2004@smtp.cliu.org>
Message-ID: <CANyh6Vtr=s6NY0EBFux1TVRyVGEGqsFsQPqpRz1iaN3keMz02w@mail.gmail.com>

That looks like a great project. It looks like this project would be
connecting 10 speakers and 10 distance sensors up to a microprocessor. I'm
not sure an Arduino can handle that load alone so some sort of extension of
the Arduino or stepping up to an Arudino Mega may be helpful.

JSR/


On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Stephen P. McGorry <
steve at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:

> ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
>
> Hello everyone,****
>
> ** **
>
>   My name is Steve McGorry and I work at the Da Vinci Science Center.  I
> am new to this list but I have heard nothing but great things about the
> organization and the maker space!  I am interested in working on some
> musical projects with people that are knowledgeable with electronics.  My
> background in circuitry and arduino boards is minimal, but I am very
> interested in learning how to build devices.  Particularly, I saw this
> controller called the dodecaudion that is described here:****
>
> http://www.hedoco.com/en/Our-Products/Hedoco-Design/Dodecaudion****
>
> There is a video link on this page as well as a DIY link at the bottom of
> this webpage that will give you access to plans.  Is anyone interested in
> trying to tackle this with me?****
>
> ** **
>
> Steve McGorry****
>
> Outreach Coordinator and Science Educator****
>
> ** **
>
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> Da ****Vinci** **Science** **Center********
>
> ****3145 Hamilton Blvd.**** Bypass****
>
> ****Allentown**, **PA** **18103********
>
> 484.664.1002, Ext. 114****
>
> steve at davincisciencecenter.org****
>
> www.davincisciencecenter.org****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> ** **
>
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
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From jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 10:03:15 2012
From: jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com (Jeremy Sawruk)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:03:15 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Dodecaudion music controller
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6Vtr=s6NY0EBFux1TVRyVGEGqsFsQPqpRz1iaN3keMz02w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20121101133347.D2699BB2004@smtp.cliu.org>
	<CANyh6Vtr=s6NY0EBFux1TVRyVGEGqsFsQPqpRz1iaN3keMz02w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANRG7pS72rKod3mBBLNZB=yhoxyp=m1XTE=4uB+_7ow34tqdTw@mail.gmail.com>

It depends on whether you want to the DSP within the device itself or
simply use it as a controller. If you're just using it as a controller,
then an Arduino is definitely the right choice. If you actually want to do
DSP of any kind on the device, you will need either a general purpose CPU
(like an ARM) or a specialized chip (Tom Knesel says someone built
something similar to this using an XMOS, but I think using a dedicated DSP
chip for this is probably overkill - could not find further info yet).

My personal recommendation is to just use this as a controller, and have
the sound generation/manipulation done by another computer. Not only does
this simplify the design of the device, it allows using it with the wide
range of existing desktop audio software (i.e. using this controller with
Ableton)

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> That looks like a great project. It looks like this project would be
> connecting 10 speakers and 10 distance sensors up to a microprocessor. I'm
> not sure an Arduino can handle that load alone so some sort of extension of
> the Arduino or stepping up to an Arudino Mega may be helpful.
>
> JSR/
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Stephen P. McGorry <
> steve at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
>
>> ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
>>
>> Hello everyone,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>   My name is Steve McGorry and I work at the Da Vinci Science Center.  I
>> am new to this list but I have heard nothing but great things about the
>> organization and the maker space!  I am interested in working on some
>> musical projects with people that are knowledgeable with electronics.  My
>> background in circuitry and arduino boards is minimal, but I am very
>> interested in learning how to build devices.  Particularly, I saw this
>> controller called the dodecaudion that is described here:****
>>
>> http://www.hedoco.com/en/Our-Products/Hedoco-Design/Dodecaudion****
>>
>> There is a video link on this page as well as a DIY link at the bottom of
>> this webpage that will give you access to plans.  Is anyone interested in
>> trying to tackle this with me?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Steve McGorry****
>>
>> Outreach Coordinator and Science Educator****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Da ****Vinci** **Science** **Center********
>>
>> ****3145 Hamilton Blvd.**** Bypass****
>>
>> ****Allentown**, **PA** **18103********
>>
>> 484.664.1002, Ext. 114****
>>
>> steve at davincisciencecenter.org****
>>
>> www.davincisciencecenter.org****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>
>>
>
>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Thu Nov  1 10:10:47 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:10:47 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Dodecaudion music controller
In-Reply-To: <CANRG7pS72rKod3mBBLNZB=yhoxyp=m1XTE=4uB+_7ow34tqdTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20121101133347.D2699BB2004@smtp.cliu.org>
	<CANyh6Vtr=s6NY0EBFux1TVRyVGEGqsFsQPqpRz1iaN3keMz02w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANRG7pS72rKod3mBBLNZB=yhoxyp=m1XTE=4uB+_7ow34tqdTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANyh6VsFSt93sk+dvcs-qX2HrUaU2W2xOYq+=ekz-jtg_RmoNw@mail.gmail.com>

So does that mean jamb a Raspberry Pi in there also... :-)


On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com>wrote:

> It depends on whether you want to the DSP within the device itself or
> simply use it as a controller. If you're just using it as a controller,
> then an Arduino is definitely the right choice. If you actually want to do
> DSP of any kind on the device, you will need either a general purpose CPU
> (like an ARM) or a specialized chip (Tom Knesel says someone built
> something similar to this using an XMOS, but I think using a dedicated DSP
> chip for this is probably overkill - could not find further info yet).
>
> My personal recommendation is to just use this as a controller, and have
> the sound generation/manipulation done by another computer. Not only does
> this simplify the design of the device, it allows using it with the wide
> range of existing desktop audio software (i.e. using this controller with
> Ableton)
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:
>
>> That looks like a great project. It looks like this project would be
>> connecting 10 speakers and 10 distance sensors up to a microprocessor. I'm
>> not sure an Arduino can handle that load alone so some sort of extension of
>> the Arduino or stepping up to an Arudino Mega may be helpful.
>>
>> JSR/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Stephen P. McGorry <
>> steve at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
>>
>>> ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>>   My name is Steve McGorry and I work at the Da Vinci Science Center.  I
>>> am new to this list but I have heard nothing but great things about the
>>> organization and the maker space!  I am interested in working on some
>>> musical projects with people that are knowledgeable with electronics.  My
>>> background in circuitry and arduino boards is minimal, but I am very
>>> interested in learning how to build devices.  Particularly, I saw this
>>> controller called the dodecaudion that is described here:****
>>>
>>> http://www.hedoco.com/en/Our-Products/Hedoco-Design/Dodecaudion****
>>>
>>> There is a video link on this page as well as a DIY link at the bottom
>>> of this webpage that will give you access to plans.  Is anyone interested
>>> in trying to tackle this with me?****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Steve McGorry****
>>>
>>> Outreach Coordinator and Science Educator****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> Da ****Vinci** **Science** **Center********
>>>
>>> ****3145 Hamilton Blvd.**** Bypass****
>>>
>>> ****Allentown**, **PA** **18103********
>>>
>>> 484.664.1002, Ext. 114****
>>>
>>> steve at davincisciencecenter.org****
>>>
>>> www.davincisciencecenter.org****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>
>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> http://about.me/josiah
>>
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From jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 10:22:24 2012
From: jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com (Jeremy Sawruk)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:22:24 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Dodecaudion music controller
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VsFSt93sk+dvcs-qX2HrUaU2W2xOYq+=ekz-jtg_RmoNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20121101133347.D2699BB2004@smtp.cliu.org>
	<CANyh6Vtr=s6NY0EBFux1TVRyVGEGqsFsQPqpRz1iaN3keMz02w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANRG7pS72rKod3mBBLNZB=yhoxyp=m1XTE=4uB+_7ow34tqdTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANyh6VsFSt93sk+dvcs-qX2HrUaU2W2xOYq+=ekz-jtg_RmoNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANRG7pTN86zaPyFQ2-bsb92Viwe6uWEG9w50Fv49zwh6T8p3Yg@mail.gmail.com>

In theory, yes. I haven't tried to run Pd on my RaspPi yet, but that's
where I would start.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> So does that mean jamb a Raspberry Pi in there also... :-)
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> It depends on whether you want to the DSP within the device itself or
>> simply use it as a controller. If you're just using it as a controller,
>> then an Arduino is definitely the right choice. If you actually want to do
>> DSP of any kind on the device, you will need either a general purpose CPU
>> (like an ARM) or a specialized chip (Tom Knesel says someone built
>> something similar to this using an XMOS, but I think using a dedicated DSP
>> chip for this is probably overkill - could not find further info yet).
>>
>> My personal recommendation is to just use this as a controller, and have
>> the sound generation/manipulation done by another computer. Not only does
>> this simplify the design of the device, it allows using it with the wide
>> range of existing desktop audio software (i.e. using this controller with
>> Ableton)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> That looks like a great project. It looks like this project would be
>>> connecting 10 speakers and 10 distance sensors up to a microprocessor. I'm
>>> not sure an Arduino can handle that load alone so some sort of extension of
>>> the Arduino or stepping up to an Arudino Mega may be helpful.
>>>
>>> JSR/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Stephen P. McGorry <
>>> steve at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>>   My name is Steve McGorry and I work at the Da Vinci Science Center.
>>>>  I am new to this list but I have heard nothing but great things about the
>>>> organization and the maker space!  I am interested in working on some
>>>> musical projects with people that are knowledgeable with electronics.  My
>>>> background in circuitry and arduino boards is minimal, but I am very
>>>> interested in learning how to build devices.  Particularly, I saw this
>>>> controller called the dodecaudion that is described here:****
>>>>
>>>> http://www.hedoco.com/en/Our-Products/Hedoco-Design/Dodecaudion****
>>>>
>>>> There is a video link on this page as well as a DIY link at the bottom
>>>> of this webpage that will give you access to plans.  Is anyone interested
>>>> in trying to tackle this with me?****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Steve McGorry****
>>>>
>>>> Outreach Coordinator and Science Educator****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>>  ****
>>>>
>>>> Da ****Vinci** **Science** **Center********
>>>>
>>>> ****3145 Hamilton Blvd.**** Bypass****
>>>>
>>>> ****Allentown**, **PA** **18103********
>>>>
>>>> 484.664.1002, Ext. 114****
>>>>
>>>> steve at davincisciencecenter.org****
>>>>
>>>> www.davincisciencecenter.org****
>>>>
>>>>  ****
>>>>
>>>>  ****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>>
>>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
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>>>
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From rob at pabut.org  Thu Nov  1 10:34:10 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Pabut)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:34:10 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Dodecaudion music controller
In-Reply-To: <CANRG7pTN86zaPyFQ2-bsb92Viwe6uWEG9w50Fv49zwh6T8p3Yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20121101133347.D2699BB2004@smtp.cliu.org>
	<CANyh6Vtr=s6NY0EBFux1TVRyVGEGqsFsQPqpRz1iaN3keMz02w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANRG7pS72rKod3mBBLNZB=yhoxyp=m1XTE=4uB+_7ow34tqdTw@mail.gmail.com>
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If you're looking to do DSP you should pickup a TI Stellaris Launchpad .... 
https://estore.ti.com/Stellaris-LaunchPad.aspx

It's an 80mhz arm Cortex m4 with floating point .... 2 12bit ADC ... 



--> Rob


On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:22, Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com> wrote:

> In theory, yes. I haven't tried to run Pd on my RaspPi yet, but that's where I would start.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
> So does that mean jamb a Raspberry Pi in there also... :-) 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com> wrote:
> It depends on whether you want to the DSP within the device itself or simply use it as a controller. If you're just using it as a controller, then an Arduino is definitely the right choice. If you actually want to do DSP of any kind on the device, you will need either a general purpose CPU (like an ARM) or a specialized chip (Tom Knesel says someone built something similar to this using an XMOS, but I think using a dedicated DSP chip for this is probably overkill - could not find further info yet).
> 
> My personal recommendation is to just use this as a controller, and have the sound generation/manipulation done by another computer. Not only does this simplify the design of the device, it allows using it with the wide range of existing desktop audio software (i.e. using this controller with Ableton)
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
> That looks like a great project. It looks like this project would be connecting 10 speakers and 10 distance sensors up to a microprocessor. I'm not sure an Arduino can handle that load alone so some sort of extension of the Arduino or stepping up to an Arudino Mega may be helpful.
> 
> JSR/
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Stephen P. McGorry <steve at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
>  
> 
>   My name is Steve McGorry and I work at the Da Vinci Science Center.  I am new to this list but I have heard nothing but great things about the organization and the maker space!  I am interested in working on some musical projects with people that are knowledgeable with electronics.  My background in circuitry and arduino boards is minimal, but I am very interested in learning how to build devices.  Particularly, I saw this controller called the dodecaudion that is described here:
> 
> http://www.hedoco.com/en/Our-Products/Hedoco-Design/Dodecaudion
> 
> There is a video link on this page as well as a DIY link at the bottom of this webpage that will give you access to plans.  Is anyone interested in trying to tackle this with me?
> 
>  
> 
> Steve McGorry
> 
> Outreach Coordinator and Science Educator
> 
>  
> 
> <image003.jpg>
> 
>  
> 
> Da Vinci Science Center
> 
> 3145 Hamilton Blvd. Bypass
> 
> Allentown, PA 18103
> 
> 484.664.1002, Ext. 114
> 
> steve at davincisciencecenter.org
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
>  
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From mtuerk at allentownedc.com  Thu Nov  1 14:58:18 2012
From: mtuerk at allentownedc.com (Matthew Tuerk)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:58:18 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Canceling tonight
In-Reply-To: <20121031051230.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.31e741aa2f.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
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Space is open for Thursday Open Hack, starting....NOW!

Jonas is taking advantage of a hot shower at the Bridgeworks, but he's
basically here.

/m


On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:12 AM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have to cancel on opening the space tonight.  No power, need propane,
> showers, food, etc.
>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Thu Nov  1 17:35:14 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 18:35:14 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Alternate BoE Chassis
Message-ID: <CANyh6VvkckJ8Y+Xp6cyHXXb8d8Ba8De4vimT112M56EHYmKL_g@mail.gmail.com>

We've talked about BOE bots before.  This is an interesting additional
option.
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:33514
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From steve at davincisciencecenter.org  Fri Nov  2 08:58:55 2012
From: steve at davincisciencecenter.org (Stephen P. McGorry)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:58:55 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Dodecaudion music controller
In-Reply-To: <CD0BE017-3C7F-4D15-B04B-A4FB07043337@pabut.org>
Message-ID: <20121102135253.9F660BB2001@smtp.cliu.org>

If I were to use this as simply a controller, is it also possible to load up
sounds into the arduino chip and disconnect it entirely from a computer?
I'm thinking in lines of similar to a programmable robot like the parallax
or mindstorm robots that you plug into, upload the program, unplug the
computer.  Then you can take the device with you anywhere without the
computer attached?  

 

Steve McGorry

Outreach Coordinator and Science Educator

 



 

Da Vinci Science Center

3145 Hamilton Blvd. Bypass

Allentown, PA 18103

484.664.1002, Ext. 114

steve at davincisciencecenter.org

www.davincisciencecenter.org

 

 

  _____  

From: Makelehighvalley
[mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Pabut
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:34 AM
To: Build things for fun!
Cc: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Dodecaudion music controller

 

If you're looking to do DSP you should pickup a TI Stellaris Launchpad .... 

https://estore.ti.com/Stellaris-LaunchPad.aspx

 

It's an 80mhz arm Cortex m4 with floating point .... 2 12bit ADC ... 

 



--> Rob

 


On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:22, Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com> wrote:

In theory, yes. I haven't tried to run Pd on my RaspPi yet, but that's where
I would start.

 

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
wrote:

So does that mean jamb a Raspberry Pi in there also... :-) 

 

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com>
wrote:

It depends on whether you want to the DSP within the device itself or simply
use it as a controller. If you're just using it as a controller, then an
Arduino is definitely the right choice. If you actually want to do DSP of
any kind on the device, you will need either a general purpose CPU (like an
ARM) or a specialized chip (Tom Knesel says someone built something similar
to this using an XMOS, but I think using a dedicated DSP chip for this is
probably overkill - could not find further info yet).

 

My personal recommendation is to just use this as a controller, and have the
sound generation/manipulation done by another computer. Not only does this
simplify the design of the device, it allows using it with the wide range of
existing desktop audio software (i.e. using this controller with Ableton)

 

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
wrote:

That looks like a great project. It looks like this project would be
connecting 10 speakers and 10 distance sensors up to a microprocessor. I'm
not sure an Arduino can handle that load alone so some sort of extension of
the Arduino or stepping up to an Arudino Mega may be helpful.

 

JSR/

 

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Stephen P. McGorry
<steve at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:

Hello everyone,

 

  My name is Steve McGorry and I work at the Da Vinci Science Center.  I am
new to this list but I have heard nothing but great things about the
organization and the maker space!  I am interested in working on some
musical projects with people that are knowledgeable with electronics.  My
background in circuitry and arduino boards is minimal, but I am very
interested in learning how to build devices.  Particularly, I saw this
controller called the dodecaudion that is described here:

http://www.hedoco.com/en/Our-Products/Hedoco-Design/Dodecaudion

There is a video link on this page as well as a DIY link at the bottom of
this webpage that will give you access to plans.  Is anyone interested in
trying to tackle this with me?

 

Steve McGorry

Outreach Coordinator and Science Educator

 

<image003.jpg>

 

Da Vinci Science Center

3145 Hamilton Blvd. Bypass

Allentown, PA 18103

484.664.1002, <tel:484.664.1002%2C%20Ext.%20114>  Ext. 114

steve at davincisciencecenter.org

www.davincisciencecenter.org

 

 <image004.jpg>

 

 

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From jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 09:10:32 2012
From: jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com (Jeremy Sawruk)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:10:32 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Dodecaudion music controller
In-Reply-To: <20121102135253.9F660BB2001@smtp.cliu.org>
References: <CD0BE017-3C7F-4D15-B04B-A4FB07043337@pabut.org>
	<20121102135253.9F660BB2001@smtp.cliu.org>
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Please refer to this article for audio on Arduino:
http://www.ladyada.net/make/waveshield/

Basically, you cannot generate CD quality audio (44.1 KHz, 16-bit) on the
Arduino directly, though certainly you could use it control an external
sound source. The hardware shown here is 22 KHz, 12-bit.

I strongly suggest looking into something a bit more powerful. I have used
the Beagleboard and Beaglebone on audio projects and highly recommend them;
the Beaglebone may be a good compromise.

Also, I happen to be at Hive4A today working with audio hardware; feel free
to stop by! (Group is invited as well - could use beta testers!)

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Stephen P. McGorry <
steve at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:

> ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
>
> If I were to use this as simply a controller, is it also possible to load
> up sounds into the arduino chip and disconnect it entirely from a
> computer?  I?m thinking in lines of similar to a programmable robot like
> the parallax or mindstorm robots that you plug into, upload the program,
> unplug the computer.  Then you can take the device with you anywhere
> without the computer attached?  ****
>
> ** **
>
> Steve McGorry****
>
> Outreach Coordinator and Science Educator****
>
> ** **
>
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> Da ****Vinci** **Science** **Center********
>
> ****3145 Hamilton Blvd.**** Bypass****
>
> ****Allentown**, **PA** **18103********
>
> 484.664.1002, Ext. 114****
>
> steve at davincisciencecenter.org****
>
> www.davincisciencecenter.org****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>   ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Pabut
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:34 AM
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Cc:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Dodecaudion music controller****
>
> ** **
>
> If you're looking to do DSP you should pickup a TI Stellaris Launchpad
> .... ****
>
> https://estore.ti.com/Stellaris-LaunchPad.aspx****
>
> ** **
>
> It's an 80mhz arm Cortex m4 with floating point .... 2 12bit ADC ... ****
>
> ** **
>
>
>
> --> Rob****
>
> ** **
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:22, Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com> wrote:**
> **
>
>  In theory, yes. I haven't tried to run Pd on my RaspPi yet, but that's
> where I would start.****
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
> wrote:****
>
> So does that mean jamb a Raspberry Pi in there also... :-) ****
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com>
> wrote:****
>
> It depends on whether you want to the DSP within the device itself or
> simply use it as a controller. If you're just using it as a controller,
> then an Arduino is definitely the right choice. If you actually want to do
> DSP of any kind on the device, you will need either a general purpose CPU
> (like an ARM) or a specialized chip (Tom Knesel says someone built
> something similar to this using an XMOS, but I think using a dedicated DSP
> chip for this is probably overkill - could not find further info yet).****
>
> ** **
>
> My personal recommendation is to just use this as a controller, and have
> the sound generation/manipulation done by another computer. Not only does
> this simplify the design of the device, it allows using it with the wide
> range of existing desktop audio software (i.e. using this controller with
> Ableton)****
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
> wrote:****
>
> That looks like a great project. It looks like this project would be
> connecting 10 speakers and 10 distance sensors up to a microprocessor. I'm
> not sure an Arduino can handle that load alone so some sort of extension of
> the Arduino or stepping up to an Arudino Mega may be helpful.****
>
> ** **
>
> JSR/****
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Stephen P. McGorry <
> steve at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:****
>
>   Hello everyone,****
>
>  ****
>
>   My name is Steve McGorry and I work at the Da Vinci Science Center.  I
> am new to this list but I have heard nothing but great things about the
> organization and the maker space!  I am interested in working on some
> musical projects with people that are knowledgeable with electronics.  My
> background in circuitry and arduino boards is minimal, but I am very
> interested in learning how to build devices.  Particularly, I saw this
> controller called the dodecaudion that is described here:****
>
> http://www.hedoco.com/en/Our-Products/Hedoco-Design/Dodecaudion****
>
> There is a video link on this page as well as a DIY link at the bottom of
> this webpage that will give you access to plans.  Is anyone interested in
> trying to tackle this with me?****
>
>  ****
>
> Steve McGorry****
>
> Outreach Coordinator and Science Educator****
>
>  ****
>
> <image003.jpg>****
>
>  ****
>
> Da ****Vinci** **Science** **Center********
>
> ****3145 Hamilton Blvd.**** Bypass****
>
> ****Allentown**, **PA** **18103********
>
> 484.664.1002, Ext. 114 <484.664.1002%2C%20Ext.%20114>****
>
> steve at davincisciencecenter.org****
>
> www.davincisciencecenter.org****
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Sat Nov  3 10:29:04 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 11:29:04 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Power!
Message-ID: <8583079B-9428-465B-83CE-0929118168EE@jaredsroom.com>

Hi all!  Just got power.  Pitching in on some cleanup and laundry (our house is like a campsite).  Ill probably head over to the space a little later - Ill let everyone know.  Maybe 2 or 3 until 8ish?

Sorry I've been AWOL - balancing home, work and family through this week was all-consuming, especially without comms.  

J (mobile)


From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Sat Nov  3 11:37:09 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 12:37:09 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] Power!
In-Reply-To: <8583079B-9428-465B-83CE-0929118168EE@jaredsroom.com>
References: <8583079B-9428-465B-83CE-0929118168EE@jaredsroom.com>
Message-ID: <CANyh6VueRucwV_KOUAXOAm7DMPEEBNNB6wXuLrsTX=6yNeZhog@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats!


On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>wrote:

> Hi all!  Just got power.  Pitching in on some cleanup and laundry (our
> house is like a campsite).  Ill probably head over to the space a little
> later - Ill let everyone know.  Maybe 2 or 3 until 8ish?
>
> Sorry I've been AWOL - balancing home, work and family through this week
> was all-consuming, especially without comms.
>
> J (mobile)
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Sat Nov  3 12:41:31 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 13:41:31 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] No space today after all (Saturday)
Message-ID: <016c01cdb9ea$76c37820$644a6860$@jaredsroom.com>

Hi all,

 

I'm sorry to report that I won't be able to make it today after all to open
the space.  To-do list is long here.  We'll be open Wed, Thurs and Saturday
in the upcoming week.

 

Sorry for the back-and-forth!

 

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From cmtonkinson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 23:08:24 2012
From: cmtonkinson at gmail.com (Chris Tonkinson)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 00:08:24 -0400
Subject: [MakeLV] thin SPDT tact switch
Message-ID: <CAFQ6WepgoejxXOxPC8CtVAi=vfdvSG1Pm1D_Cm=ECc1iqbKEtw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

  I'm looking for a pretty particular type of SPDT tact switch, and I've
been driving myself nuts looking at parts catalogs, thus far to no avail.

  Geometrically, I'm looking for something "small" and "flat." What's that
mean? I'm guessing approximately 3mm x 12mm x 12mm (1/8th in x 1/2 in x 1/2
in). Roughly. It'll be a switch for the thumb, if that helps at all.

  Any ideas? Catalogs I may not have checked? Part "description" keywords I
may not have searched for? Stores (online or off) to visit?

Thanks!
-Chris

Chris Tonkinson
610.425.7807

*        "Nescire autem quid ante quam natus sis acciderit, id est semper
esse puerum."*
        -Cicero
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From swytheq at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 05:24:51 2012
From: swytheq at gmail.com (Swythe Quirksettle)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 06:24:51 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Network Outage (Make25g)
Message-ID: <CAB_1QuMHU6LBy7_MtbMqHHmPanoEXiY311sEoOzG8-HALrd98g@mail.gmail.com>

Just letting folks know, Make25g has no internet, so use incubator, if
possible, lightly as its heavily used and tends to lag.

According to the 'nix router logs acquired yesterday while waiting outside
(sat), the net outage is an IP conflict and not an ISP issue like I thought
Thursday. Since I don't have access to the router downstairs I need to bump
someone at the AEDC to either release that address back into the wild or
assign us a new one.

I might stop by Monday if I can get a ride down midday to fix this. Will
update if I succeed.

-Josh
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From josiah.ritchie at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 09:41:50 2012
From: josiah.ritchie at gmail.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:41:50 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] thin SPDT tact switch
In-Reply-To: <CAFQ6WepgoejxXOxPC8CtVAi=vfdvSG1Pm1D_Cm=ECc1iqbKEtw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFQ6WepgoejxXOxPC8CtVAi=vfdvSG1Pm1D_Cm=ECc1iqbKEtw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANyh6Vu0r-5P1VTwTdCN5GfKiPb4KBym-dgNxP-1JkkAQFdOAA@mail.gmail.com>

I know we're talking major change to the project, but could a flex sensor
fit the need? It is thin.

Here is one:
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8606

JSR /
On Nov 4, 2012 12:08 AM, "Chris Tonkinson" <cmtonkinson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>   I'm looking for a pretty particular type of SPDT tact switch, and I've
> been driving myself nuts looking at parts catalogs, thus far to no avail.
>
>   Geometrically, I'm looking for something "small" and "flat." What's that
> mean? I'm guessing approximately 3mm x 12mm x 12mm (1/8th in x 1/2 in x 1/2
> in). Roughly. It'll be a switch for the thumb, if that helps at all.
>
>   Any ideas? Catalogs I may not have checked? Part "description" keywords
> I may not have searched for? Stores (online or off) to visit?
>
> Thanks!
> -Chris
>
> Chris Tonkinson
> 610.425.7807
>
> *        "Nescire autem quid ante quam natus sis acciderit, id est semper
> esse puerum."*
>         -Cicero
>
>
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From cmtonkinson at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 13:20:57 2012
From: cmtonkinson at gmail.com (Chris Tonkinson)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:20:57 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] thin SPDT tact switch
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6Vu0r-5P1VTwTdCN5GfKiPb4KBym-dgNxP-1JkkAQFdOAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFQ6WepgoejxXOxPC8CtVAi=vfdvSG1Pm1D_Cm=ECc1iqbKEtw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANyh6Vu0r-5P1VTwTdCN5GfKiPb4KBym-dgNxP-1JkkAQFdOAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFQ6WepDQV0hWe-Srr6XQvtd+bKie+=aoQQVN+LRFin7w1ohJQ@mail.gmail.com>

That's actually not a bad alternative, but I'm not sure it would be
practical for me. Maybe context would help.

What I'm trying to do is add two buttons to the shifter in my car. I got a
hold of a spare just to dissect and prototype on, but as you can see from
the photos (attached below), the
stitched-leather-on-molded-rubber-around-plastic-skeleton-frame won't lend
itself willingly to much invasive surgery. Originally I'd planned on simply
dissasembling the unit, and installing two simple tact switches from the
inside out. After looking at how it's put together though, I'm pretty
convinced I'll need an all-external solution. I had to literally attack
this sucker with sharp pointy things to get it apart in the first place.

Other ideas:

   - A single SPDT momentary rocker switch (but again, it would have to be
   pretty thin)
   - A pair of small capacitive touch surfaces. Not ideal (because I
   couldn't leave my thumb on them without actuating them) but still a
   possibility.
   - I could even probably get away with some sort of dongle strapped to
   the fore of the shifter.


[image: Inline image 2]

[image: Inline image 1]



Chris Tonkinson
610.425.7807

*        "Nescire autem quid ante quam natus sis acciderit, id est semper
esse puerum."*
        -Cicero



On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah.ritchie at gmail.com>wrote:

> I know we're talking major change to the project, but could a flex sensor
> fit the need? It is thin.
>
> Here is one:
> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8606
>
> JSR /
> On Nov 4, 2012 12:08 AM, "Chris Tonkinson" <cmtonkinson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>   I'm looking for a pretty particular type of SPDT tact switch, and I've
>> been driving myself nuts looking at parts catalogs, thus far to no avail.
>>
>>   Geometrically, I'm looking for something "small" and "flat." What's
>> that mean? I'm guessing approximately 3mm x 12mm x 12mm (1/8th in x 1/2 in
>> x 1/2 in). Roughly. It'll be a switch for the thumb, if that helps at all.
>>
>>   Any ideas? Catalogs I may not have checked? Part "description" keywords
>> I may not have searched for? Stores (online or off) to visit?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -Chris
>>
>> Chris Tonkinson
>> 610.425.7807
>>
>> *        "Nescire autem quid ante quam natus sis acciderit, id est
>> semper esse puerum."*
>>         -Cicero
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Sun Nov  4 14:16:46 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 15:16:46 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Touchscreen Gloves
Message-ID: <CANyh6VtaLCQYo7Y3iZz4MWRygfGVHtO2OVLq-Vb=kMf=vJTLiw@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if a class/workshop on turning your gloves into touchscreen gloves
would be a good fundraiser. Just need needles and conductive thread. Seems
timely.

JSR /
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From cmtonkinson at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 15:00:18 2012
From: cmtonkinson at gmail.com (Chris Tonkinson)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 16:00:18 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Touchscreen Gloves
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VtaLCQYo7Y3iZz4MWRygfGVHtO2OVLq-Vb=kMf=vJTLiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VtaLCQYo7Y3iZz4MWRygfGVHtO2OVLq-Vb=kMf=vJTLiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6863051868865223494@unknownmsgid>

I'd make a trip up for that.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2012, at 15:17, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:

I wonder if a class/workshop on turning your gloves into touchscreen gloves
would be a good fundraiser. Just need needles and conductive thread. Seems
timely.

JSR /

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From jonaswood1 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 16:13:58 2012
From: jonaswood1 at gmail.com (Jonas Wood)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 17:13:58 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Touchscreen Gloves
In-Reply-To: <6863051868865223494@unknownmsgid>
References: <CANyh6VtaLCQYo7Y3iZz4MWRygfGVHtO2OVLq-Vb=kMf=vJTLiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6863051868865223494@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <CA+Og09kFntbKr8O-Oi6xE7b_=z-BiCu8Znx7+PV-tE75mZ575Q@mail.gmail.com>

I think that's a yes... materials included bring own gloves?
On Nov 4, 2012 4:00 PM, "Chris Tonkinson" <cmtonkinson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd make a trip up for that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 4, 2012, at 15:17, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
>
> I wonder if a class/workshop on turning your gloves into touchscreen
> gloves would be a good fundraiser. Just need needles and conductive thread.
> Seems timely.
>
> JSR /
>
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From jonaswood1 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 16:39:38 2012
From: jonaswood1 at gmail.com (Jonas Wood)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 17:39:38 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Network Outage (Make25g)
In-Reply-To: <CAB_1QuMHU6LBy7_MtbMqHHmPanoEXiY311sEoOzG8-HALrd98g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB_1QuMHU6LBy7_MtbMqHHmPanoEXiY311sEoOzG8-HALrd98g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+Og09=+3gbJ2V1WWjS33nvd9fvUk0arMFHb2=apf8T0LbStSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dunno incubator may need repairs too its internet was not doing well either
I assumed it was netside until mine recovered... reset should fix either way
On Nov 4, 2012 6:25 AM, "Swythe Quirksettle" <swytheq at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just letting folks know, Make25g has no internet, so use incubator, if
> possible, lightly as its heavily used and tends to lag.
>
> According to the 'nix router logs acquired yesterday while waiting outside
> (sat), the net outage is an IP conflict and not an ISP issue like I thought
> Thursday. Since I don't have access to the router downstairs I need to bump
> someone at the AEDC to either release that address back into the wild or
> assign us a new one.
>
> I might stop by Monday if I can get a ride down midday to fix this. Will
> update if I succeed.
>
> -Josh
>
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
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From kbe2 at Lehigh.EDU  Sun Nov  4 17:01:29 2012
From: kbe2 at Lehigh.EDU (Keith Erekson)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:01:29 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] dust collection
In-Reply-To: <CAE1O4xpCuAXMBZiX-ceKEEdJf=+YxYNuUdjMRNK6++iw_pP+PA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9770495B-6CBE-413D-A6A5-29F4B0075901@jaredsroom.com>	<CANyh6VsJuweJ9Lh5eZHJA4Aq6A9f7DdDC4wXX5Hi++TKhBzrGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1O4xpCuAXMBZiX-ceKEEdJf=+YxYNuUdjMRNK6++iw_pP+PA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5096F3C9.6020504@lehigh.edu>

While browsing through the list backlog, I couldn't help snooping around 
your Picasaweb collection, and was delighted to discover this pic 
<https://plus.google.com/photos/101899121403450955371/albums/5516101119604154129/5516101141479622370?banner=pwa>.

I have the exact same table saw, and have been working on my shop's 
dust-collection system on and off for the past few months.

Can you share how you rigged up a hose to the bottom of that saw? The 
closest thing I have found that looks viable is this "table saw flange 
<http://www.nosawdust.com/dust_hoods.htm#430>", but even the 14"x14" 
seems a bit too small.

~Keith

On 10/21/2012 10:57 AM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
> Hey ... I have an AVR programmer I've been wanting to use ......
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/AOWruKX4yQ6os-T3EL3v7dMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Josiah Ritchie 
> <josiah at josiahritchie.com <mailto:josiah at josiahritchie.com>> wrote:
>
>     Looks great! I think Will purchased some chips that would fit into
>     that board properly, but they'd need to be programmed first. Looks
>     like a real solid etch also. Did you patch up the transfer before
>     you etched? How'd the transfer happen?
>
>     JSR/
>
>     On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Jared Steckel
>     <steckelj at jaredsroom.com <mailto:steckelj at jaredsroom.com>> wrote:
>
>         First output from the etching project!
>
>
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From rob at pabut.org  Sun Nov  4 19:47:05 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Pabut)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:47:05 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] dust collection
In-Reply-To: <5096F3C9.6020504@lehigh.edu>
References: <9770495B-6CBE-413D-A6A5-29F4B0075901@jaredsroom.com>
	<CANyh6VsJuweJ9Lh5eZHJA4Aq6A9f7DdDC4wXX5Hi++TKhBzrGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1O4xpCuAXMBZiX-ceKEEdJf=+YxYNuUdjMRNK6++iw_pP+PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5096F3C9.6020504@lehigh.edu>
Message-ID: <CC6AC9EF-0AAA-4FEC-95C6-E03A9E5FEC4F@pabut.org>

As soon as my power comes back I'll look at it and remind myself exactly how I did it .... In a nutshell I cut a piece of 1/4 plywood the same size as the base ... Added a modified PVC fitting that was the same size as my vacuum hose and sandwiched it all together. 

The key was how I cut the fitting ... As soon as I can see it again I'll take better pictures :)

It's not 100% .... But far better than just dumping all the dust on the floor :/



--> Rob


On Nov 4, 2012, at 18:01, Keith Erekson <kbe2 at Lehigh.EDU> wrote:

> While browsing through the list backlog, I couldn't help snooping around your Picasaweb collection, and was delighted to discover this pic.
> 
> I have the exact same table saw, and have been working on my shop's dust-collection system on and off for the past few months.
> 
> Can you share how you rigged up a hose to the bottom of that saw? The closest thing I have found that looks viable is this "table saw flange", but even the 14"x14" seems a bit too small.
> 
> ~Keith
> 
> On 10/21/2012 10:57 AM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>> 
>> Hey ... I have an AVR programmer I've been wanting to use ...... 
>> 
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/AOWruKX4yQ6os-T3EL3v7dMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
>> Looks great! I think Will purchased some chips that would fit into that board properly, but they'd need to be programmed first. Looks like a real solid etch also. Did you patch up the transfer before you etched? How'd the transfer happen?
>> 
>> JSR/
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>> First output from the etching project!
>> 
>> 
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From josiah.ritchie at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 20:44:09 2012
From: josiah.ritchie at gmail.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:44:09 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Touchscreen Gloves
In-Reply-To: <CA+Og09kFntbKr8O-Oi6xE7b_=z-BiCu8Znx7+PV-tE75mZ575Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VtaLCQYo7Y3iZz4MWRygfGVHtO2OVLq-Vb=kMf=vJTLiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6863051868865223494@unknownmsgid>
	<CA+Og09kFntbKr8O-Oi6xE7b_=z-BiCu8Znx7+PV-tE75mZ575Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANyh6VtYgir+DV2Mdg3H83ZjOSHn5O+u8JpJiBSUCXK5pxSt5A@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Modifying your favorite gloves to be even
cooler without having to source materials and learning some basic sewing
seems the way to go. From what I'm told, most conductive gloves in stores
are cheap.

JSR /
On Nov 4, 2012 5:14 PM, "Jonas Wood" <jonaswood1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think that's a yes... materials included bring own gloves?
> On Nov 4, 2012 4:00 PM, "Chris Tonkinson" <cmtonkinson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd make a trip up for that.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 15:17, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if a class/workshop on turning your gloves into touchscreen
>> gloves would be a good fundraiser. Just need needles and conductive thread.
>> Seems timely.
>>
>> JSR /
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>
>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
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>>
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Sun Nov  4 21:19:14 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 22:19:14 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Touchscreen Gloves
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VtYgir+DV2Mdg3H83ZjOSHn5O+u8JpJiBSUCXK5pxSt5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VtaLCQYo7Y3iZz4MWRygfGVHtO2OVLq-Vb=kMf=vJTLiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6863051868865223494@unknownmsgid>
	<CA+Og09kFntbKr8O-Oi6xE7b_=z-BiCu8Znx7+PV-tE75mZ575Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANyh6VtYgir+DV2Mdg3H83ZjOSHn5O+u8JpJiBSUCXK5pxSt5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B18D87E-C26C-40E9-9F44-D61172D36720@jaredsroom.com>

This is a great idea, and probably quick to production.

J (mobile)

On Nov 4, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah.ritchie at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Modifying your favorite gloves to be even cooler without having to source materials and learning some basic sewing seems the way to go. From what I'm told, most conductive gloves in stores are cheap.
> 
> JSR /
> 
> On Nov 4, 2012 5:14 PM, "Jonas Wood" <jonaswood1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think that's a yes... materials included bring own gloves?
>> 
>> On Nov 4, 2012 4:00 PM, "Chris Tonkinson" <cmtonkinson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'd make a trip up for that.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 15:17, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I wonder if a class/workshop on turning your gloves into touchscreen gloves would be a good fundraiser. Just need needles and conductive thread. Seems timely.
>>>> 
>>>> JSR /
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From mtuerk at allentownedc.com  Mon Nov  5 07:51:43 2012
From: mtuerk at allentownedc.com (Matthew Tuerk)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:51:43 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Touchscreen Gloves
In-Reply-To: <3B18D87E-C26C-40E9-9F44-D61172D36720@jaredsroom.com>
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It's timely, too! Would this be a good post-Thanksgiving workshop? Modding Black Friday purchases for stocking stuffers?
Matthew Tuerk

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On Nov 4, 2012, at 10:19 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> This is a great idea, and probably quick to production.
> 
> J (mobile)
> 
> On Nov 4, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah.ritchie at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Modifying your favorite gloves to be even cooler without having to source materials and learning some basic sewing seems the way to go. From what I'm told, most conductive gloves in stores are cheap.
>> 
>> JSR /
>> 
>> On Nov 4, 2012 5:14 PM, "Jonas Wood" <jonaswood1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think that's a yes... materials included bring own gloves?
>> 
>> On Nov 4, 2012 4:00 PM, "Chris Tonkinson" <cmtonkinson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd make a trip up for that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 15:17, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I wonder if a class/workshop on turning your gloves into touchscreen gloves would be a good fundraiser. Just need needles and conductive thread. Seems timely.
>>> 
>>> JSR /
>>> 
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From mtuerk at allentownedc.com  Mon Nov  5 07:53:47 2012
From: mtuerk at allentownedc.com (Matthew Tuerk)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:53:47 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Network Outage (Make25g)
In-Reply-To: <CA+Og09=+3gbJ2V1WWjS33nvd9fvUk0arMFHb2=apf8T0LbStSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Best time for me is before noon. I am intermittently here this afternoon.
Matthew Tuerk

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On Nov 4, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Jonas Wood <jonaswood1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dunno incubator may need repairs too its internet was not doing well either I assumed it was netside until mine recovered... reset should fix either way
> 
> On Nov 4, 2012 6:25 AM, "Swythe Quirksettle" <swytheq at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just letting folks know, Make25g has no internet, so use incubator, if possible, lightly as its heavily used and tends to lag. 
> 
> According to the 'nix router logs acquired yesterday while waiting outside (sat), the net outage is an IP conflict and not an ISP issue like I thought Thursday. Since I don't have access to the router downstairs I need to bump someone at the AEDC to either release that address back into the wild or assign us a new one.
> 
> I might stop by Monday if I can get a ride down midday to fix this. Will update if I succeed.
> 
> -Josh
> 
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From rsjames at ix.netcom.com  Mon Nov  5 07:56:28 2012
From: rsjames at ix.netcom.com (rsjames at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:56:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [MakeLV] Amateur Radio License Classes
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Mon Nov  5 08:21:38 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 07:21:38 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] Amateur Radio License Classes
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From saxywolf at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 08:30:53 2012
From: saxywolf at gmail.com (Ellis Farmer)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 09:30:53 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Fwd: Fwd: [PJARC] Fwd: Amateur Radio Classes begin
 September 4, 2012
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There's this one...

-Ellis


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org>
Date: Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Subject: [MakeLV] Fwd: [PJARC] Fwd: Amateur Radio Classes begin September
4, 2012
To: MakeLehighValley <Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>


FYI ... at the last OPEN HACK there was some folks interested in obtaining
an Amateur Radio License .... here is an opportunity on the PA side of the
Delaware ....

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Subject: [PJARC] Fwd: Amateur Radio Classes begin September 4, 2012



DLARC's Fall Series of FREE  Amateur Radio License Preparation Classes will
begin on


Tuesday, SEPTEMBER 4 at the Northampton County 911 Center on the Gracedale
Campus.


NOTE: This September 4th date is a revision from the date mentioned at the
August 2 DLARC monthly meeting.

We will have classes for the Technician Class License  AND General Class
License.

Al/W3CE, George / N3SQD, Dean / N3HOG, and Bob / KB3ULG  will be four of
the instructors.

We request interested persons register so we have an idea of the number of
people to expect.


To register, or ask questions about the classes, the driving directions, or
ham radio, please contact

Bob / KE3AW  via email at KE3AW at ARRL.NET, or telephone 610.432.8286.


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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Mon Nov  5 08:41:53 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 09:41:53 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] thin SPDT tact switch
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Yeah, that's not really made for modding. Have you considered replacing the
whole unit instead of modifying it? A 3D print job or some sugru could
result is some nice  results to drape some leather over in such a way that
the switches could be invisible under the leather. This looks like a neat
project. What are the buttons going to accomplish and how are you going to
connect them to whatever you are controlling?

JSR/


On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Chris Tonkinson <cmtonkinson at gmail.com>wrote:

> That's actually not a bad alternative, but I'm not sure it would be
> practical for me. Maybe context would help.
>
> What I'm trying to do is add two buttons to the shifter in my car. I got a
> hold of a spare just to dissect and prototype on, but as you can see from
> the photos (attached below), the
> stitched-leather-on-molded-rubber-around-plastic-skeleton-frame won't lend
> itself willingly to much invasive surgery. Originally I'd planned on simply
> dissasembling the unit, and installing two simple tact switches from the
> inside out. After looking at how it's put together though, I'm pretty
> convinced I'll need an all-external solution. I had to literally attack
> this sucker with sharp pointy things to get it apart in the first place.
>
> Other ideas:
>
>    - A single SPDT momentary rocker switch (but again, it would have to
>    be pretty thin)
>    - A pair of small capacitive touch surfaces. Not ideal (because I
>    couldn't leave my thumb on them without actuating them) but still a
>    possibility.
>    - I could even probably get away with some sort of dongle strapped to
>    the fore of the shifter.
>
>
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
>
> Chris Tonkinson
> 610.425.7807
>
> *        "Nescire autem quid ante quam natus sis acciderit, id est semper
> esse puerum."*
>         -Cicero
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah.ritchie at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I know we're talking major change to the project, but could a flex sensor
>> fit the need? It is thin.
>>
>> Here is one:
>> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8606
>>
>> JSR /
>> On Nov 4, 2012 12:08 AM, "Chris Tonkinson" <cmtonkinson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>   I'm looking for a pretty particular type of SPDT tact switch, and I've
>>> been driving myself nuts looking at parts catalogs, thus far to no avail.
>>>
>>>   Geometrically, I'm looking for something "small" and "flat." What's
>>> that mean? I'm guessing approximately 3mm x 12mm x 12mm (1/8th in x 1/2 in
>>> x 1/2 in). Roughly. It'll be a switch for the thumb, if that helps at all.
>>>
>>>   Any ideas? Catalogs I may not have checked? Part "description"
>>> keywords I may not have searched for? Stores (online or off) to visit?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> -Chris
>>>
>>> Chris Tonkinson
>>> 610.425.7807
>>>
>>> *        "Nescire autem quid ante quam natus sis acciderit, id est
>>> semper esse puerum."*
>>>         -Cicero
>>>
>>>
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Mon Nov  5 08:45:36 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 07:45:36 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] Schedule This Week
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From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 08:02:09 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] thin SPDT tact switch
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From rob at pabut.org  Mon Nov  5 09:09:45 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob Roschewsk)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:09:45 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Amateur Radio License Classes
In-Reply-To: <20121105072138.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.a9b68e0e2c.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
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This is old ... but the contacts should still be good ....

http://makelehighvalley.com/blog/2012/08/delaware-lehigh-amateur-radio-club-to-offer-free-license-preparation-classes/

My club in NJ (Penn-Jersey ARC) does testing at every monthly meeting ...

http://w2sjt.org/



On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 9:21 AM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> Do you have the info on the classes?  I'm interested in getting a license,
> especially since we keep having Apocolypse scares 'round here.
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [MakeLV] Amateur Radio License Classes
> From: rsjames at ix.netcom.com
> Date: Mon, November 05, 2012 6:56 am
> To: Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>
> Several months ago, someone sent an e-mail around about Ham Radio classes
> being offered by DLARC.  Unfortunately, I didn't save my e-mail, so I don't
> know who originated the message.  Anyway, my daughter and I have been
> taking the classes, and we both successfully passed tests on Friday night.
> If anyone has a copy of the origninal e-mail, and can let me know who sent
> it, I would appreciate it.  I would like to thank the person for passing
> along the info about the classes.  They were fun, interesting, and not allo
> that hard.
>
> Now, all I have to do is build a radio...
>
> R. S. James
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From cmtonkinson at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 09:25:46 2012
From: cmtonkinson at gmail.com (Chris Tonkinson)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:25:46 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] thin SPDT tact switch
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I hadn't thought of using something like sugru to simply augment the
overall shape of the handle - that's not a bad idea. Especially if I can
simply form the new one around the old plastic frame I [now] have. A custom
leather wrapping to hide the button and you're absolutely right - that
sounds like something to be proud of.

Unfortunately, this is only for creature comfort at this point; I don't
[yet] have any performance mods planned. These two buttons in particular
are going to be turn signal actuators. I don't always have the ability to
loosen my left grip to signal. Call me OCD, but [except for speed, of
course] I consider it good form to adhere to the rules, even when "playing
around." I've already found the appropriate input pins on the BCM, so
actually setting the buttons on the shifter is the last puzzle piece. All
of the other lighting effects and controller mods I want are ostensibly a
lot easier because all of the switches can be mounted on the dash (i.e.
they don't need to be right under my thumb at all times like the signals).

(But to quench your speed-mod thirst, my first perf mod would be turbo -
For how I drive I like blowers personally, but with a CVT it's just not
appropriate.)




Chris Tonkinson
610.425.7807

*        "Nescire autem quid ante quam natus sis acciderit, id est semper
esse puerum."*
        -Cicero



On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:02 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> I'm hoping for alcohol injection, or N20, or to close up the wastegate!
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [MakeLV] thin SPDT tact switch
> From: Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
> Date: Mon, November 05, 2012 7:41 am
> To: "Build things for fun!" <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>
> Yeah, that's not really made for modding. Have you considered replacing
> the whole unit instead of modifying it? A 3D print job or some sugru could
> result is some nice  results to drape some leather over in such a way that
> the switches could be invisible under the leather. This looks like a neat
> project. What are the buttons going to accomplish and how are you going to
> connect them to whatever you are controlling?
>
> JSR/
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Chris Tonkinson <cmtonkinson at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> That's actually not a bad alternative, but I'm not sure it would be
>> practical for me. Maybe context would help.
>>
>> What I'm trying to do is add two buttons to the shifter in my car. I got
>> a hold of a spare just to dissect and prototype on, but as you can see from
>> the photos (attached below), the
>> stitched-leather-on-molded-rubber-around-plastic-skeleton-frame won't lend
>> itself willingly to much invasive surgery. Originally I'd planned on simply
>> dissasembling the unit, and installing two simple tact switches from the
>> inside out. After looking at how it's put together though, I'm pretty
>> convinced I'll need an all-external solution. I had to literally attack
>> this sucker with sharp pointy things to get it apart in the first place.
>>
>> Other ideas:
>>
>>    - A single SPDT momentary rocker switch (but again, it would have to
>>    be pretty thin)
>>    - A pair of small capacitive touch surfaces. Not ideal (because I
>>    couldn't leave my thumb on them without actuating them) but still a
>>    possibility.
>>    - I could even probably get away with some sort of dongle strapped to
>>    the fore of the shifter.
>>
>>
>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Tonkinson
>> 610.425.7807
>>
>> *        "Nescire autem quid ante quam natus sis acciderit, id est
>> semper esse puerum."*
>>         -Cicero
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah.ritchie at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I know we're talking major change to the project, but could a flex
>>> sensor fit the need? It is thin.
>>> Here is one:
>>> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8606
>>> JSR /
>>> On Nov 4, 2012 12:08 AM, "Chris Tonkinson" <cmtonkinson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>   I'm looking for a pretty particular type of SPDT tact switch, and
>>>> I've been driving myself nuts looking at parts catalogs, thus far to no
>>>> avail.
>>>>
>>>>   Geometrically, I'm looking for something "small" and "flat." What's
>>>> that mean? I'm guessing approximately 3mm x 12mm x 12mm (1/8th in x 1/2 in
>>>> x 1/2 in). Roughly. It'll be a switch for the thumb, if that helps at all.
>>>>
>>>>   Any ideas? Catalogs I may not have checked? Part "description"
>>>> keywords I may not have searched for? Stores (online or off) to visit?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> -Chris
>>>>
>>>> Chris Tonkinson
>>>> 610.425.7807
>>>>
>>>> *        "Nescire autem quid ante quam natus sis acciderit, id est
>>>> semper esse puerum."*
>>>>         -Cicero
>>>>
>>>>
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Mon Nov  5 09:42:09 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 08:42:09 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] thin SPDT tact switch
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Mon Nov  5 09:56:04 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:56:04 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Touchscreen Gloves
In-Reply-To: <FB8FA2C0-C0D3-48ED-A784-4FB3E771AEC3@allentownedc.com>
References: <CANyh6VtaLCQYo7Y3iZz4MWRygfGVHtO2OVLq-Vb=kMf=vJTLiw@mail.gmail.com>
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I did some more research. I've done enough sewing in my day to accomplish
this and put buttons on, repair stuff, etc. Like the Grathio video below,
my work typically isn't pretty, but functional, although the idea of an
open-source hardware logo on my thumb is appealing. I may have to give that
a try.

Matthew, thanks for the suggestion of post black Friday. I'd be glad to
lead this workshop up some evening of the week after black friday, how
about Thurs. the 29th? Maybe we could even do this twice, trying to see if
we get more interest on Saturday, Dec. 1st.  If we have anyone who is
actually accomplished at sewing, it would be good to have them around also,
but this is pretty simple in the sewing area. The electronic theory may be
more interesting, or at least more important for someone with basic sewing
skills.

*Videos*
Three slightly different ways of modding gloves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljN1vObUa5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7bwO2Yt98Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stULjadQ2O0

*Supplies*
Needles: https://www.adafruit.com/products/615
Thread in three sizes: https://www.adafruit.com/products/640
https://www.adafruit.com/products/603
https://www.adafruit.com/products/641

Sparkfun has larger spools instead of just bobbins of thread:
4-ply: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8549
2-ply: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8544
Needle Set (Varying sizes): https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10405

It would be good to get the basics together ASAP and see if we can get some
marketing out broadly and earlier than we've done in the past. I imagine
we'll have a somewhat different and broader audience for this workshop than
we've had in the past.

I'm also thinking that in addition to selling access to the workshop, we
may want to sell additional lengths of conductive string for those people
who want to do additional fingers in the gloves or several pairs of gloves.

I think we can advertise this in the following way:

Make Your Own Touchscreen Gloves
    A Make Lehigh Valley Workshop

Stop using frozen fingers and noses to txt message in the cold. Learn how
to modify your favorite pair of gloves for use with your iPhone, Android,
tablet or any other touchscreen device. Gifting some gloves this holiday
season? Take it up a notch with this workshop.

Modifying a great pair of gloves into touchscreen gloves has many
advantages over purchasing touchscreen gloves. Touchscreen gloves are
limited in selection and comparable quality touchscreen gloves are far more
expensive than non-touchscreen gloves. Adding this feature to a favored
pair of gloves only costs a few dollars in supplies and can be done with
very little skill is sewing. However, someone skilled in needle arts can
quickly modify this technique to make beautiful patterns on the fingers of
gloves to bring an extra special touch of personalization.


Our workshop includes instruction and supplies to modify any pair of gloves
to work with your iPhone, Android or any touchscreen phone or tablet.
Children are welcome when accompanied by an adult and will learn some basic
sewing skill, so feel free to bring the whole family.


(Side project: I wonder if we could mod an old cassette player to wind
certain lengths of string...)

JSR/


On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Matthew Tuerk <mtuerk at allentownedc.com>wrote:

> It's timely, too! Would this be a good post-Thanksgiving workshop? Modding
> Black Friday purchases for stocking stuffers?
> Matthew Tuerk
>
> Assistant Director
> Allentown Economic Development Corporation
> (610) 435-8890 (w)
> mtuerk at allentownedc.com
>
> www.facebook.com/AllentownEDC
>
> @AllentownEDC
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>
> On Nov 4, 2012, at 10:19 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>
> wrote:
>
> This is a great idea, and probably quick to production.
>
> J (mobile)
>
> On Nov 4, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah.ritchie at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Modifying your favorite gloves to be
> even cooler without having to source materials and learning some basic
> sewing seems the way to go. From what I'm told, most conductive gloves in
> stores are cheap.
>
> JSR /
> On Nov 4, 2012 5:14 PM, "Jonas Wood" <jonaswood1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think that's a yes... materials included bring own gloves?
>> On Nov 4, 2012 4:00 PM, "Chris Tonkinson" <cmtonkinson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd make a trip up for that.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 15:17, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder if a class/workshop on turning your gloves into touchscreen
>>> gloves would be a good fundraiser. Just need needles and conductive thread.
>>> Seems timely.
>>>
>>> JSR /
>>>
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From swytheq at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 11:43:28 2012
From: swytheq at gmail.com (Swythe Quirksettle)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:43:28 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Network Update
Message-ID: <CAB_1QuN7ecuhdjVquBObtR+Od8xhzA0XqrXYxccy2-exHboR=w@mail.gmail.com>

Judging from how well this email goes through. Make25g is back up and
online. Looks like the router released the leases properly today.

Also am pleased to post the IP address to the multiserver in the lap (that
noisy HP server in the classroom):
http://24.229.254.84:26000

- Josh
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Mon Nov  5 12:10:16 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:10:16 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Network Update
In-Reply-To: <CAB_1QuN7ecuhdjVquBObtR+Od8xhzA0XqrXYxccy2-exHboR=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB_1QuN7ecuhdjVquBObtR+Od8xhzA0XqrXYxccy2-exHboR=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANyh6Vup=5NkNQZEQ7G=VNCLOTFvSYygdqtj86=84tKv=UERWg@mail.gmail.com>

Nice choice of pics :-)


On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Swythe Quirksettle <swytheq at gmail.com>wrote:

> Judging from how well this email goes through. Make25g is back up and
> online. Looks like the router released the leases properly today.
>
> Also am pleased to post the IP address to the multiserver in the lap (that
> noisy HP server in the classroom):
> http://24.229.254.84:26000
>
> - Josh
>
> _______________________________________________
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Mon Nov  5 12:34:43 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:34:43 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] Network Update
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From rob at pabut.org  Mon Nov  5 13:37:40 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob Roschewsk)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 19:37:40 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] The Post-Apocalypse Survival Machine Nerd Farm
Message-ID: <CAE1O4xrHCUuuOo-3y7ETsD4oEaWddqo81DMP=nrJc2FPtjFTbA@mail.gmail.com>

http://goo.gl/CuoUk
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From mtuerk at allentownedc.com  Mon Nov  5 13:39:18 2012
From: mtuerk at allentownedc.com (Matthew Tuerk)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:39:18 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Touchscreen Gloves
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VuNqE837q8SamzpQAa=bqcN-J0MHRO5MhF4wFJ4fEdiQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VtaLCQYo7Y3iZz4MWRygfGVHtO2OVLq-Vb=kMf=vJTLiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6863051868865223494@unknownmsgid>
	<CA+Og09kFntbKr8O-Oi6xE7b_=z-BiCu8Znx7+PV-tE75mZ575Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANyh6VtYgir+DV2Mdg3H83ZjOSHn5O+u8JpJiBSUCXK5pxSt5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<3B18D87E-C26C-40E9-9F44-D61172D36720@jaredsroom.com>
	<FB8FA2C0-C0D3-48ED-A784-4FB3E771AEC3@allentownedc.com>
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Message-ID: <CADfEygsZTkJsoc8BDAZqwRcV3J1JNpi3Jbur7jB8DER1Eo0V-w@mail.gmail.com>

Indiemade Craft Market is Dec 1 & 2 in Allentown. I wonder if we could get
a booth and use it as both a fundraising opportunity and a marketing
opportunity?

/m


On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> I did some more research. I've done enough sewing in my day to accomplish
> this and put buttons on, repair stuff, etc. Like the Grathio video below,
> my work typically isn't pretty, but functional, although the idea of an
> open-source hardware logo on my thumb is appealing. I may have to give that
> a try.
>
> Matthew, thanks for the suggestion of post black Friday. I'd be glad to
> lead this workshop up some evening of the week after black friday, how
> about Thurs. the 29th? Maybe we could even do this twice, trying to see if
> we get more interest on Saturday, Dec. 1st.  If we have anyone who is
> actually accomplished at sewing, it would be good to have them around also,
> but this is pretty simple in the sewing area. The electronic theory may be
> more interesting, or at least more important for someone with basic sewing
> skills.
>
> *Videos*
> Three slightly different ways of modding gloves:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljN1vObUa5E
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7bwO2Yt98Y
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stULjadQ2O0
>
> *Supplies*
> Needles: https://www.adafruit.com/products/615
> Thread in three sizes: https://www.adafruit.com/products/640
> https://www.adafruit.com/products/603
> https://www.adafruit.com/products/641
>
> Sparkfun has larger spools instead of just bobbins of thread:
> 4-ply: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8549
> 2-ply: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8544
> Needle Set (Varying sizes): https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10405
>
> It would be good to get the basics together ASAP and see if we can get
> some marketing out broadly and earlier than we've done in the past. I
> imagine we'll have a somewhat different and broader audience for this
> workshop than we've had in the past.
>
> I'm also thinking that in addition to selling access to the workshop, we
> may want to sell additional lengths of conductive string for those people
> who want to do additional fingers in the gloves or several pairs of gloves.
>
> I think we can advertise this in the following way:
>
> Make Your Own Touchscreen Gloves
>     A Make Lehigh Valley Workshop
>
> Stop using frozen fingers and noses to txt message in the cold. Learn how
> to modify your favorite pair of gloves for use with your iPhone, Android,
> tablet or any other touchscreen device. Gifting some gloves this holiday
> season? Take it up a notch with this workshop.
>
> Modifying a great pair of gloves into touchscreen gloves has many
> advantages over purchasing touchscreen gloves. Touchscreen gloves are
> limited in selection and comparable quality touchscreen gloves are far more
> expensive than non-touchscreen gloves. Adding this feature to a favored
> pair of gloves only costs a few dollars in supplies and can be done with
> very little skill is sewing. However, someone skilled in needle arts can
> quickly modify this technique to make beautiful patterns on the fingers of
> gloves to bring an extra special touch of personalization.
>
>
> Our workshop includes instruction and supplies to modify any pair of
> gloves to work with your iPhone, Android or any touchscreen phone or
> tablet. Children are welcome when accompanied by an adult and will learn
> some basic sewing skill, so feel free to bring the whole family.
>
>
> (Side project: I wonder if we could mod an old cassette player to wind
> certain lengths of string...)
>
> JSR/
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Matthew Tuerk <mtuerk at allentownedc.com>wrote:
>
>> It's timely, too! Would this be a good post-Thanksgiving workshop?
>> Modding Black Friday purchases for stocking stuffers?
>>   Matthew Tuerk
>>
>> Assistant Director
>> Allentown Economic Development Corporation
>> (610) 435-8890 (w)
>> mtuerk at allentownedc.com
>>
>> www.facebook.com/AllentownEDC
>>
>> @AllentownEDC
>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this email may be
>> confidential and/or privileged. This email is intended to be reviewed by
>> only the individual or organization named above. If you are not the
>> intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended
>> recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or
>> copying of this email and its attachments, if any, or the information
>> contained herein is prohibited. If you have received this email in error,
>> please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email
>> from your system.*
>> *
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 10:19 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a great idea, and probably quick to production.
>>
>> J (mobile)
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah.ritchie at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Modifying your favorite gloves to be
>> even cooler without having to source materials and learning some basic
>> sewing seems the way to go. From what I'm told, most conductive gloves in
>> stores are cheap.
>>
>> JSR /
>> On Nov 4, 2012 5:14 PM, "Jonas Wood" <jonaswood1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think that's a yes... materials included bring own gloves?
>>> On Nov 4, 2012 4:00 PM, "Chris Tonkinson" <cmtonkinson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd make a trip up for that.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 15:17, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if a class/workshop on turning your gloves into touchscreen
>>>> gloves would be a good fundraiser. Just need needles and conductive thread.
>>>> Seems timely.
>>>>
>>>> JSR /
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>>
>>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 15:17:55 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:17:55 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Touchscreen Gloves
In-Reply-To: <CADfEygsZTkJsoc8BDAZqwRcV3J1JNpi3Jbur7jB8DER1Eo0V-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyh6VtaLCQYo7Y3iZz4MWRygfGVHtO2OVLq-Vb=kMf=vJTLiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6863051868865223494@unknownmsgid>
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I have sewing experience and I even have some sewing machines on hand. As
for making gloves... not difficult at all depending on the fabrics. If
anyone has the material on hand just let me know because I have an
abundance of free time.

-Will C.


On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Matthew Tuerk <mtuerk at allentownedc.com>wrote:

> Indiemade Craft Market is Dec 1 & 2 in Allentown. I wonder if we could get
> a booth and use it as both a fundraising opportunity and a marketing
> opportunity?
>
> /m
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:
>
>> I did some more research. I've done enough sewing in my day to accomplish
>> this and put buttons on, repair stuff, etc. Like the Grathio video below,
>> my work typically isn't pretty, but functional, although the idea of an
>> open-source hardware logo on my thumb is appealing. I may have to give that
>> a try.
>>
>> Matthew, thanks for the suggestion of post black Friday. I'd be glad to
>> lead this workshop up some evening of the week after black friday, how
>> about Thurs. the 29th? Maybe we could even do this twice, trying to see if
>> we get more interest on Saturday, Dec. 1st.  If we have anyone who is
>> actually accomplished at sewing, it would be good to have them around also,
>> but this is pretty simple in the sewing area. The electronic theory may be
>> more interesting, or at least more important for someone with basic sewing
>> skills.
>>
>> *Videos*
>> Three slightly different ways of modding gloves:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljN1vObUa5E
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7bwO2Yt98Y
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stULjadQ2O0
>>
>> *Supplies*
>> Needles: https://www.adafruit.com/products/615
>> Thread in three sizes: https://www.adafruit.com/products/640
>> https://www.adafruit.com/products/603
>> https://www.adafruit.com/products/641
>>
>> Sparkfun has larger spools instead of just bobbins of thread:
>> 4-ply: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8549
>> 2-ply: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8544
>> Needle Set (Varying sizes): https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10405
>>
>> It would be good to get the basics together ASAP and see if we can get
>> some marketing out broadly and earlier than we've done in the past. I
>> imagine we'll have a somewhat different and broader audience for this
>> workshop than we've had in the past.
>>
>> I'm also thinking that in addition to selling access to the workshop, we
>> may want to sell additional lengths of conductive string for those people
>> who want to do additional fingers in the gloves or several pairs of gloves.
>>
>> I think we can advertise this in the following way:
>>
>> Make Your Own Touchscreen Gloves
>>     A Make Lehigh Valley Workshop
>>
>> Stop using frozen fingers and noses to txt message in the cold. Learn how
>> to modify your favorite pair of gloves for use with your iPhone, Android,
>> tablet or any other touchscreen device. Gifting some gloves this holiday
>> season? Take it up a notch with this workshop.
>>
>> Modifying a great pair of gloves into touchscreen gloves has many
>> advantages over purchasing touchscreen gloves. Touchscreen gloves are
>> limited in selection and comparable quality touchscreen gloves are far more
>> expensive than non-touchscreen gloves. Adding this feature to a favored
>> pair of gloves only costs a few dollars in supplies and can be done with
>> very little skill is sewing. However, someone skilled in needle arts can
>> quickly modify this technique to make beautiful patterns on the fingers of
>> gloves to bring an extra special touch of personalization.
>>
>>
>> Our workshop includes instruction and supplies to modify any pair of
>> gloves to work with your iPhone, Android or any touchscreen phone or
>> tablet. Children are welcome when accompanied by an adult and will learn
>> some basic sewing skill, so feel free to bring the whole family.
>>
>>
>> (Side project: I wonder if we could mod an old cassette player to wind
>> certain lengths of string...)
>>
>> JSR/
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Matthew Tuerk <mtuerk at allentownedc.com>wrote:
>>
>>> It's timely, too! Would this be a good post-Thanksgiving workshop?
>>> Modding Black Friday purchases for stocking stuffers?
>>>   Matthew Tuerk
>>>
>>> Assistant Director
>>> Allentown Economic Development Corporation
>>> (610) 435-8890 (w)
>>> mtuerk at allentownedc.com
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>>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 10:19 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a great idea, and probably quick to production.
>>>
>>> J (mobile)
>>>
>>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah.ritchie at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Modifying your favorite gloves to be
>>> even cooler without having to source materials and learning some basic
>>> sewing seems the way to go. From what I'm told, most conductive gloves in
>>> stores are cheap.
>>>
>>> JSR /
>>> On Nov 4, 2012 5:14 PM, "Jonas Wood" <jonaswood1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think that's a yes... materials included bring own gloves?
>>>> On Nov 4, 2012 4:00 PM, "Chris Tonkinson" <cmtonkinson at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd make a trip up for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 15:17, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if a class/workshop on turning your gloves into touchscreen
>>>>> gloves would be a good fundraiser. Just need needles and conductive thread.
>>>>> Seems timely.
>>>>>
>>>>> JSR /
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 12:08:01 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:08:01 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space
Message-ID: <CAO8063W3ZwrC8eaO5aD_hVEESmskEOM7cb1qjaypdKnrRrtT_w@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

Some news.... I have quite a bit of free time and I'm at the space right
now. I'm working on the arduino project a bit building a bread board that
we can load the arduino boot loader on bear Atmega 328P chips. If there is
anything I can help out with please let me know.

To contact me feel free to contact me via this google account through email
or gtalk, or IRC with handle DagoRed.

Another heads up, I'm leaving my programmer here in my locker. Please ask
before using it because instruction will need to be provided. If you like
the programmer, hop on IRC and talk to TomITX in #robotics or #AVR.

-Will C.
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From whatever at taggers.org  Tue Nov  6 12:25:18 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:25:18 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Forums
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063W3ZwrC8eaO5aD_hVEESmskEOM7cb1qjaypdKnrRrtT_w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <5099560E.3010404@taggers.org>

i thought i sent this out already but can't find the email so here goes.

last thursday we had a semi-impromptu forum "disaster hacks" there was 
some interest in repeating the event.  the question is this something 
we'd like to do, how often( i suggest monthly), and what would our 
november topic be?



From whatever at taggers.org  Tue Nov  6 12:26:57 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:26:57 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space
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Message-ID: <50995671.5000001@taggers.org>

nice to see you back in the space will.  if you need me to keep it open 
after 5 email again and i'll see about coming down depending on how much 
house cleaning i actually get done.



From staticphantom at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 12:30:33 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:30:33 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space
In-Reply-To: <50995671.5000001@taggers.org>
References: <CAO8063W3ZwrC8eaO5aD_hVEESmskEOM7cb1qjaypdKnrRrtT_w@mail.gmail.com>
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Sounds good! I'm downloading AVR studio for a computer that is still kinda
new to me. Also, did anyone see the PC Board kit I left in my locker? I
have a container and everything needed for etching boards if someone needs
to use it.

-Will C


On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:26 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:

> nice to see you back in the space will.  if you need me to keep it open
> after 5 email again and i'll see about coming down depending on how much
> house cleaning i actually get done.
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 15:14:01 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:14:01 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Etched Single-sided Arduino
In-Reply-To: <CAKY0pFRJhO-mZ0BVH2488WQ8ebp67amgYwCYGiGu212iVTekTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9770495B-6CBE-413D-A6A5-29F4B0075901@jaredsroom.com>
	<201210251936.36371.rhkramer@gmail.com>
	<AC8C2160-6B93-450A-AD88-A38C0C769BCE@pabut.org>
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Comment and question.

Comment: If you want to save etching solution and make your lines cleaner,
don't remove all the extra copper from the board that isn't used. There is
no need.

Question: Are these boards going to be used for any arduino work shops? If
so, I have a cheaper and quicker solution to that waiting a little in the
space already.

-Will C


On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:29 PM, David Smith <
david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:

>
> http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/prototyping-and-circuit-repair/prototyping/ferric-chloride-415/
>
> Two pieces of useful information:
>
> each liter of CuCl2 is good for about 3.5 square feet of etching (see the
> usage instruction tab on the site above)
>
> You cannot pour it down the drain (not a good idea, even if non-toxic
> since there might be some etching capacity left), but it can be mixed with
> washing soda (sodium carbonate - buy at a hardware or paint store) to
> precipitate copper carbonate, until the pH is 7-8 (see FAQ tab on the site
> above).
>
> Dave Smith
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Randy Kramer <rhkramer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, react energetically, maybe? ;-)
>>
>> (It depends how you mix it, to some extent.)
>>
>> But seriously, that's why we need input from a chemist.
>>
>> Randy Kramer
>>
>> On Thursday 25 October 2012 08:11:06 pm Pabut wrote:
>> > Wouldn't metallic sodium explode???
>>
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Wed Nov  7 12:29:08 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 13:29:08 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Weather & Space - Coming Tonight?
Message-ID: <003f01cdbd15$c7936160$56ba2420$@jaredsroom.com>

Hi all,

 

What are everyone's thoughts on the space tonight and the impending weather?


 

Also - did I read correctly that people showed up on Saturday and could not
get in?  I feel terrible.

 

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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 12:52:02 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 13:52:02 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Weather & Space - Coming Tonight?
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References: <003f01cdbd15$c7936160$56ba2420$@jaredsroom.com>
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I was still planning on coming. It doesn't look to bad tonight yet.

-Jeff

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>wrote:

> Hi all,****
>
> ** **
>
> What are everyone?s thoughts on the space tonight and the impending
> weather?  ****
>
> ** **
>
> Also ? did I read correctly that people showed up on Saturday and could
> not get in?  I feel terrible.****
>
> ** **
>
> *J*****
>
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Wed Nov  7 12:56:20 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 13:56:20 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Weather & Space - Coming Tonight?
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I agree, doesn't look bad.  See you there!

 

From: Makelehighvalley
[mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey
Minton
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 1:52 PM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Weather & Space - Coming Tonight?

 

I was still planning on coming. It doesn't look to bad tonight yet.

 

-Jeff

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>
wrote:

Hi all,

 

What are everyone's thoughts on the space tonight and the impending weather?


 

Also - did I read correctly that people showed up on Saturday and could not
get in?  I feel terrible.

 

J

 


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From wweik at lutron.com  Wed Nov  7 13:41:15 2012
From: wweik at lutron.com (William Weik)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:41:15 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063W3ZwrC8eaO5aD_hVEESmskEOM7cb1qjaypdKnrRrtT_w@mail.gmail.com>
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Does anyone know what our IRC channels are?
-Will W

From: Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Will
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 1:08 PM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space

Hey guys,

Some news.... I have quite a bit of free time and I'm at the space right now. I'm working on the arduino project a bit building a bread board that we can load the arduino boot loader on bear Atmega 328P chips. If there is anything I can help out with please let me know.

To contact me feel free to contact me via this google account through email or gtalk, or IRC with handle DagoRed.

Another heads up, I'm leaving my programmer here in my locker. Please ask before using it because instruction will need to be provided. If you like the programmer, hop on IRC and talk to TomITX in #robotics or #AVR.

-Will C.
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 13:48:44 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:48:44 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space
In-Reply-To: <FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC77FC91C@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>
References: <CAO8063W3ZwrC8eaO5aD_hVEESmskEOM7cb1qjaypdKnrRrtT_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC77FC91C@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>
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Yes. #makelv on irc server irc. freenode. net.

-Will C.
On Nov 7, 2012 2:41 PM, "William Weik" <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know what our IRC channels are?****
>
> -Will W****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Will
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 1:08 PM
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space****
>
> ** **
>
> Hey guys, ****
>
> ** **
>
> Some news.... I have quite a bit of free time and I'm at the space right
> now. I'm working on the arduino project a bit building a bread board that
> we can load the arduino boot loader on bear Atmega 328P chips. If there is
> anything I can help out with please let me know. ****
>
> ** **
>
> To contact me feel free to contact me via this google account through
> email or gtalk, or IRC with handle DagoRed. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Another heads up, I'm leaving my programmer here in my locker. Please ask
> before using it because instruction will need to be provided. If you like
> the programmer, hop on IRC and talk to TomITX in #robotics or #AVR. ****
>
> ** **
>
> -Will C. ****
>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 13:50:29 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:50:29 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Weather & Space - Coming Tonight?
In-Reply-To: <005001cdbd19$939797b0$bac6c710$@jaredsroom.com>
References: <003f01cdbd15$c7936160$56ba2420$@jaredsroom.com>
	<CAJMBNht33b7fGWktZnHKPTq3ieqfFkN6Ya+kJS6ubJQ02txZGQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I will be there tomorrow. Tonight I am rock climbing. I will post an update
on arduinos on another page.

-Will C.
On Nov 7, 2012 1:57 PM, "Jared Steckel" <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> I agree, doesn?t look bad.  See you there!****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey
> Minton
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2012 1:52 PM
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Weather & Space - Coming Tonight?****
>
> ** **
>
> I was still planning on coming. It doesn't look to bad tonight yet.****
>
> ** **
>
> -Jeff****
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>
> wrote:****
>
> Hi all,****
>
>  ****
>
> What are everyone?s thoughts on the space tonight and the impending
> weather?  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Also ? did I read correctly that people showed up on Saturday and could
> not get in?  I feel terrible.****
>
>  ****
>
> *J*****
>
>  ****
>
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From whatever at taggers.org  Wed Nov  7 13:51:38 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:51:38 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Weather & Space - Coming Tonight?
In-Reply-To: <003f01cdbd15$c7936160$56ba2420$@jaredsroom.com>
References: <003f01cdbd15$c7936160$56ba2420$@jaredsroom.com>
Message-ID: <509ABBCA.1020606@taggers.org>

i plan to be there.. but i'm just around the corner....

yeah i was half planning to show saturday too but never made it so.. i'm 
right there with you
On 11/7/2012 1:29 PM, Jared Steckel wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> What are everyone's thoughts on the space tonight and the impending 
> weather?
>
> Also -- did I read correctly that people showed up on Saturday and 
> could not get in?  I feel terrible.
>
> *J*
>
>
>
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From whatever at taggers.org  Wed Nov  7 13:52:19 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:52:19 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space
In-Reply-To: <FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC77FC91C@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>
References: <CAO8063W3ZwrC8eaO5aD_hVEESmskEOM7cb1qjaypdKnrRrtT_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC77FC91C@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>
Message-ID: <509ABBF3.4050807@taggers.org>

irc.freenode.net #makelv i think?

On 11/7/2012 2:41 PM, William Weik wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what our IRC channels are?
>
> -Will W
>
> *From:*Makelehighvalley 
> [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Will
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 1:08 PM
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Some news.... I have quite a bit of free time and I'm at the space 
> right now. I'm working on the arduino project a bit building a bread 
> board that we can load the arduino boot loader on bear Atmega 328P 
> chips. If there is anything I can help out with please let me know.
>
> To contact me feel free to contact me via this google account through 
> email or gtalk, or IRC with handle DagoRed.
>
> Another heads up, I'm leaving my programmer here in my locker. Please 
> ask before using it because instruction will need to be provided. If 
> you like the programmer, hop on IRC and talk to TomITX in #robotics or 
> #AVR.
>
> -Will C.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 18:45:02 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 19:45:02 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?
Message-ID: <CAO8063XiyZi2mQrtROv2=1+Ujggcyg8bc5krDY-vpDth1DS7FQ@mail.gmail.com>

So at my time at the space, I have concluded that my little programmer I
built suffers from a wiring problem because I wan't using sufficient
materials (soldering tips of stranded wire in a bread board). However, good
news is that I have the basics up and running and found out how to use my
AVR programmer in windows.

I will be ordering some parts but I would like to know who else at the
space would be interested in a cheap arduino? Once I order the chips
(really chip) I will upload the boot loader in which case anyone can
program using either Arduino or AVR programs on the chip.

For any future arduino classes, I believe this would be the ideal way work
with arduino's in a work shop setting. For power supplies, I think we
should look for old cell phone chargers and convert them (cut off tip, make
bread board header, add capacitor). In the end, we have an arduino that
fits on a bread board :).

If anyone else is interested in doing what I am, I am currently writing
instructions right now on what has been done. Materials for this project
are as follows.

AVR MKII programmer clone V2:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php

Atmega 328:
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATMEGA328-PU/ATMEGA328-PU-ND/2271026

Bread board:
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TW-E40-1020/438-1045-ND/643111

Add some solid core 22 gauge hook up wire and you have everything you need.

In my locker at the space, you can find a bread board set up for use with
my programmer (I have the bread board connector from the same site as the
programmer). I'll be placing a digikey order so if anyone else is
interested please let me know and I can order your chip.

-Will
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From rsjames at ix.netcom.com  Thu Nov  8 07:58:15 2012
From: rsjames at ix.netcom.com (rsjames at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:58:15 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 08:07:23 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:07:23 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?
In-Reply-To: <28515656.1352383096064.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <28515656.1352383096064.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAO8063Wv1Z5pPVaT368t9J_TddLKX036DOg154Wwgeg-u9SDpA@mail.gmail.com>

I would be ordering just the loose chips. To put the chips on a board and
solder something down is $5 in parts more. The point of what I am trying to
accomplish is have something setup for rapid development that is cheaper
than what Mitch even had people do with the TV B Gone. I am using the bread
board to program the boot loader which saves about 40 cents per chip
minimum. I would use a socket on a board to do the same thing but the leads
on a fresh chip are more prone to bend in a socket over a bread board.

The materials listed out side of the chip is all that is needed to make a
boot loader board. After the boot loader all the chip needs is power and
the chip itself to get started.

-Will C
On Nov 8, 2012 8:58 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>
>  I might be interested.  Are you ordering just the loose Atmel chips, or
> mounted on boards?
>
>
>
> R. S. James
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will **
> Sent: Nov 7, 2012 7:45 PM
> To: Build things for fun! **
> Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?
>
> So at my time at the space, I have concluded that my little programmer I
> built suffers from a wiring problem because I wan't using sufficient
> materials (soldering tips of stranded wire in a bread board). However, good
> news is that I have the basics up and running and found out how to use my
> AVR programmer in windows.
>
> I will be ordering some parts but I would like to know who else at the
> space would be interested in a cheap arduino? Once I order the chips
> (really chip) I will upload the boot loader in which case anyone can
> program using either Arduino or AVR programs on the chip.
>
> For any future arduino classes, I believe this would be the ideal way work
> with arduino's in a work shop setting. For power supplies, I think we
> should look for old cell phone chargers and convert them (cut off tip, make
> bread board header, add capacitor). In the end, we have an arduino that
> fits on a bread board :).
>
> If anyone else is interested in doing what I am, I am currently writing
> instructions right now on what has been done. Materials for this project
> are as follows.
>
> AVR MKII programmer clone V2:
> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php
>
> Atmega 328:
> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATMEGA328-PU/ATMEGA328-PU-ND/2271026
>
> Bread board:
> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TW-E40-1020/438-1045-ND/643111
>
> Add some solid core 22 gauge hook up wire and you have everything you
> need.
>
> In my locker at the space, you can find a bread board set up for use with
> my programmer (I have the bread board connector from the same site as the
> programmer). I'll be placing a digikey order so if anyone else is
> interested please let me know and I can order your chip.
>
> -Will
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>
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From wweik at lutron.com  Thu Nov  8 08:29:00 2012
From: wweik at lutron.com (William Weik)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:29:00 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063Wv1Z5pPVaT368t9J_TddLKX036DOg154Wwgeg-u9SDpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28515656.1352383096064.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<CAO8063Wv1Z5pPVaT368t9J_TddLKX036DOg154Wwgeg-u9SDpA@mail.gmail.com>
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Is the idea that we would teach people to program the ATMega's themselves or have them ready for when the class would begin?

-Will W

From: Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Will
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:07 AM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?


I would be ordering just the loose chips. To put the chips on a board and solder something down is $5 in parts more. The point of what I am trying to accomplish is have something setup for rapid development that is cheaper than what Mitch even had people do with the TV B Gone. I am using the bread board to program the boot loader which saves about 40 cents per chip minimum. I would use a socket on a board to do the same thing but the leads on a fresh chip are more prone to bend in a socket over a bread board.

The materials listed out side of the chip is all that is needed to make a boot loader board. After the boot loader all the chip needs is power and the chip itself to get started.

-Will C
On Nov 8, 2012 8:58 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com<mailto:rsjames at ix.netcom.com>> wrote:


I might be interested.  Are you ordering just the loose Atmel chips, or mounted on boards?



R. S. James





-----Original Message-----
From: Will
Sent: Nov 7, 2012 7:45 PM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?

So at my time at the space, I have concluded that my little programmer I built suffers from a wiring problem because I wan't using sufficient materials (soldering tips of stranded wire in a bread board). However, good news is that I have the basics up and running and found out how to use my AVR programmer in windows.

I will be ordering some parts but I would like to know who else at the space would be interested in a cheap arduino? Once I order the chips (really chip) I will upload the boot loader in which case anyone can program using either Arduino or AVR programs on the chip.

For any future arduino classes, I believe this would be the ideal way work with arduino's in a work shop setting. For power supplies, I think we should look for old cell phone chargers and convert them (cut off tip, make bread board header, add capacitor). In the end, we have an arduino that fits on a bread board :).

If anyone else is interested in doing what I am, I am currently writing instructions right now on what has been done. Materials for this project are as follows.

AVR MKII programmer clone V2: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php

Atmega 328: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATMEGA328-PU/ATMEGA328-PU-ND/2271026

Bread board: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TW-E40-1020/438-1045-ND/643111

Add some solid core 22 gauge hook up wire and you have everything you need.

In my locker at the space, you can find a bread board set up for use with my programmer (I have the bread board connector from the same site as the programmer). I'll be placing a digikey order so if anyone else is interested please let me know and I can order your chip.

-Will


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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Thu Nov  8 09:05:03 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:05:03 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?
In-Reply-To: <FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC785D0C2@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>
References: <28515656.1352383096064.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <F1F7813A-5CAC-4267-9220-097356B501EB@jaredsroom.com>

All,

Apologies if Im confused about what we were talking about, but I believe it's the arduino class we want to put together.

The original plan for our arduino class was to use the Boarduino.  There are two in my locker (makes @gimps) that Jeff and I were going to use to develop the curriculum.

For sourcing the kits for the class, we got the parts list and were considering getting the empty pcb from Adafruit (5 bucks) and the parts from digikey or the like.

Seems like Will has much more experience in this area than us, so feel free to change the plan - sounds like you've got great ideas.

I do think its important to consider the effect of programming chips etc on the time it will take to get the class ready, and how the depth of the course will effect the level of interest to the Everyman.

One of the initial reasons for getting started on the class was a request that came from Dave at DaVinci to train some educators there.

J (mobile)

On Nov 8, 2012, at 9:29 AM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:

> Is the idea that we would teach people to program the ATMega's themselves or have them ready for when the class would begin?
>  
> -Will W
>  
> From: Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Will
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:07 AM
> To: Build things for fun!
> Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?
>  
> I would be ordering just the loose chips. To put the chips on a board and solder something down is $5 in parts more. The point of what I am trying to accomplish is have something setup for rapid development that is cheaper than what Mitch even had people do with the TV B Gone. I am using the bread board to program the boot loader which saves about 40 cents per chip minimum. I would use a socket on a board to do the same thing but the leads on a fresh chip are more prone to bend in a socket over a bread board.
> 
> The materials listed out side of the chip is all that is needed to make a boot loader board. After the boot loader all the chip needs is power and the chip itself to get started.
> 
> -Will C
> 
> On Nov 8, 2012 8:58 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>  
> I might be interested.  Are you ordering just the loose Atmel chips, or mounted on boards?
> 
>  
> 
> R. S. James
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Will 
> Sent: Nov 7, 2012 7:45 PM 
> To: Build things for fun! 
> Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody? 
> 
> So at my time at the space, I have concluded that my little programmer I built suffers from a wiring problem because I wan't using sufficient materials (soldering tips of stranded wire in a bread board). However, good news is that I have the basics up and running and found out how to use my AVR programmer in windows.  
> 
>  
> I will be ordering some parts but I would like to know who else at the space would be interested in a cheap arduino? Once I order the chips (really chip) I will upload the boot loader in which case anyone can program using either Arduino or AVR programs on the chip.
>  
> For any future arduino classes, I believe this would be the ideal way work with arduino's in a work shop setting. For power supplies, I think we should look for old cell phone chargers and convert them (cut off tip, make bread board header, add capacitor). In the end, we have an arduino that fits on a bread board :). 
>  
> If anyone else is interested in doing what I am, I am currently writing instructions right now on what has been done. Materials for this project are as follows. 
>  
> AVR MKII programmer clone V2: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php
>  
> Atmega 328: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATMEGA328-PU/ATMEGA328-PU-ND/2271026
>  
> Bread board: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TW-E40-1020/438-1045-ND/643111
>  
> Add some solid core 22 gauge hook up wire and you have everything you need. 
>  
> In my locker at the space, you can find a bread board set up for use with my programmer (I have the bread board connector from the same site as the programmer). I'll be placing a digikey order so if anyone else is interested please let me know and I can order your chip. 
>  
> -Will
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
> 
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From wweik at lutron.com  Thu Nov  8 09:08:31 2012
From: wweik at lutron.com (William Weik)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:08:31 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?
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If we anticipate creating a decent amount of arduinos from raw ATmegas I would suggest getting a ZIF socket to keep those pins pristine.

http://evilmadscience.com/productsmenu/partsmenu/54-zif20

-Will W



From: Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Jared Steckel
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:05 AM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?

All,

Apologies if Im confused about what we were talking about, but I believe it's the arduino class we want to put together.

The original plan for our arduino class was to use the Boarduino.  There are two in my locker (makes @gimps) that Jeff and I were going to use to develop the curriculum.

For sourcing the kits for the class, we got the parts list and were considering getting the empty pcb from Adafruit (5 bucks) and the parts from digikey or the like.

Seems like Will has much more experience in this area than us, so feel free to change the plan - sounds like you've got great ideas.

I do think its important to consider the effect of programming chips etc on the time it will take to get the class ready, and how the depth of the course will effect the level of interest to the Everyman.

One of the initial reasons for getting started on the class was a request that came from Dave at DaVinci to train some educators there.

J (mobile)

On Nov 8, 2012, at 9:29 AM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com<mailto:wweik at lutron.com>> wrote:
Is the idea that we would teach people to program the ATMega's themselves or have them ready for when the class would begin?

-Will W

From: Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Will
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:07 AM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?


I would be ordering just the loose chips. To put the chips on a board and solder something down is $5 in parts more. The point of what I am trying to accomplish is have something setup for rapid development that is cheaper than what Mitch even had people do with the TV B Gone. I am using the bread board to program the boot loader which saves about 40 cents per chip minimum. I would use a socket on a board to do the same thing but the leads on a fresh chip are more prone to bend in a socket over a bread board.

The materials listed out side of the chip is all that is needed to make a boot loader board. After the boot loader all the chip needs is power and the chip itself to get started.

-Will C
On Nov 8, 2012 8:58 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com<mailto:rsjames at ix.netcom.com>> wrote:


I might be interested.  Are you ordering just the loose Atmel chips, or mounted on boards?



R. S. James





-----Original Message-----
From: Will
Sent: Nov 7, 2012 7:45 PM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?

So at my time at the space, I have concluded that my little programmer I built suffers from a wiring problem because I wan't using sufficient materials (soldering tips of stranded wire in a bread board). However, good news is that I have the basics up and running and found out how to use my AVR programmer in windows.

I will be ordering some parts but I would like to know who else at the space would be interested in a cheap arduino? Once I order the chips (really chip) I will upload the boot loader in which case anyone can program using either Arduino or AVR programs on the chip.

For any future arduino classes, I believe this would be the ideal way work with arduino's in a work shop setting. For power supplies, I think we should look for old cell phone chargers and convert them (cut off tip, make bread board header, add capacitor). In the end, we have an arduino that fits on a bread board :).

If anyone else is interested in doing what I am, I am currently writing instructions right now on what has been done. Materials for this project are as follows.

AVR MKII programmer clone V2: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php

Atmega 328: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATMEGA328-PU/ATMEGA328-PU-ND/2271026

Bread board: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TW-E40-1020/438-1045-ND/643111

Add some solid core 22 gauge hook up wire and you have everything you need.

In my locker at the space, you can find a bread board set up for use with my programmer (I have the bread board connector from the same site as the programmer). I'll be placing a digikey order so if anyone else is interested please let me know and I can order your chip.

-Will


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From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:04:06 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?
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Will W: I don't thing a ZIF is needed, a bread board accepts the pins right
out of the tube fairy well. In addition, I purchased a dip inserted and
puller from radio shack today. After the chip is programmed, it can be
dropped into the into a socket with ease.

Jared: Don't stop progress on the single sided arduino board! Those boards
are handy to have and are something that can be used in other projects. As
for the board duino.... it might be better and cheaper to not do that. If
we made a power supply for the Atmega's we have more than enough to start
programming. We can save quite a bit of money and the only thing that would
be nice is a resonator but that isn't necessary unless we want to do the TV
B gone. What I am proposing would be excellent for working with a boe-bot
of sort or some other basics with programming microcontrollers.

We can talk when you're in the space tonight (if you there).

All: I'm in the space now so.... should I turn on the heater soon or what?
Let me know!


-Will C.


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:08 AM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:

> If we anticipate creating a decent amount of arduinos from raw ATmegas I
> would suggest getting a ZIF socket to keep those pins pristine. ****
>
> ** **
>
> http://evilmadscience.com/productsmenu/partsmenu/54-zif20****
>
> ** **
>
> -Will W****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Jared
> Steckel
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:05 AM
>
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?****
>
> ** **
>
> All,****
>
> ** **
>
> Apologies if Im confused about what we were talking about, but I believe
> it's the arduino class we want to put together.****
>
> ** **
>
> The original plan for our arduino class was to use the Boarduino.  There
> are two in my locker (makes @gimps) that Jeff and I were going to use to
> develop the curriculum.****
>
> ** **
>
> For sourcing the kits for the class, we got the parts list and were
> considering getting the empty pcb from Adafruit (5 bucks) and the parts
> from digikey or the like.****
>
> ** **
>
> Seems like Will has much more experience in this area than us, so feel
> free to change the plan - sounds like you've got great ideas.****
>
> ** **
>
> I do think its important to consider the effect of programming chips etc
> on the time it will take to get the class ready, and how the depth of the
> course will effect the level of interest to the Everyman.****
>
> ** **
>
> One of the initial reasons for getting started on the class was a request
> that came from Dave at DaVinci to train some educators there.
>
> J (mobile)****
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 9:29 AM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:****
>
> Is the idea that we would teach people to program the ATMega's themselves
> or have them ready for when the class would begin?****
>
>  ****
>
> -Will W****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* Makelehighvalley [
> mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com<makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *Will
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:07 AM
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?****
>
>  ****
>
> I would be ordering just the loose chips. To put the chips on a board and
> solder something down is $5 in parts more. The point of what I am trying to
> accomplish is have something setup for rapid development that is cheaper
> than what Mitch even had people do with the TV B Gone. I am using the bread
> board to program the boot loader which saves about 40 cents per chip
> minimum. I would use a socket on a board to do the same thing but the leads
> on a fresh chip are more prone to bend in a socket over a bread board. ***
> *
>
> The materials listed out side of the chip is all that is needed to make a
> boot loader board. After the boot loader all the chip needs is power and
> the chip itself to get started. ****
>
> -Will C ****
>
> On Nov 8, 2012 8:58 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:****
>
>  ****
>
> I might be interested.  Are you ordering just the loose Atmel chips, or
> mounted on boards?****
>
>  ****
>
> R. S. James****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will
> Sent: Nov 7, 2012 7:45 PM
> To: Build things for fun!
> Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?
>
> So at my time at the space, I have concluded that my little programmer I
> built suffers from a wiring problem because I wan't using sufficient
> materials (soldering tips of stranded wire in a bread board). However, good
> news is that I have the basics up and running and found out how to use my
> AVR programmer in windows.  ****
>
>  ****
>
> I will be ordering some parts but I would like to know who else at the
> space would be interested in a cheap arduino? Once I order the chips
> (really chip) I will upload the boot loader in which case anyone can
> program using either Arduino or AVR programs on the chip.****
>
>  ****
>
> For any future arduino classes, I believe this would be the ideal way work
> with arduino's in a work shop setting. For power supplies, I think we
> should look for old cell phone chargers and convert them (cut off tip, make
> bread board header, add capacitor). In the end, we have an arduino that
> fits on a bread board :). ****
>
>  ****
>
> If anyone else is interested in doing what I am, I am currently writing
> instructions right now on what has been done. Materials for this project
> are as follows. ****
>
>  ****
>
> AVR MKII programmer clone V2:
> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> Atmega 328:
> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATMEGA328-PU/ATMEGA328-PU-ND/2271026
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> Bread board:
> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TW-E40-1020/438-1045-ND/643111***
> *
>
>  ****
>
> Add some solid core 22 gauge hook up wire and you have everything you
> need. ****
>
>  ****
>
> In my locker at the space, you can find a bread board set up for use with
> my programmer (I have the bread board connector from the same site as the
> programmer). I'll be placing a digikey order so if anyone else is
> interested please let me know and I can order your chip. ****
>
>  ****
>
> -Will****
>
>  ****
>
>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 15:44:10 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:44:10 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space
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Has anyone seen my programmer at all? It is missing from my locker at the
space. I need both the programmer and the cable that were in my locker.

Thank you,

-Will Christensen


On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:

>  irc.freenode.net #makelv i think?
>
>
> On 11/7/2012 2:41 PM, William Weik wrote:
>
>  Does anyone know what our IRC channels are?
>
> -Will W
>
>
>
> *From:* Makelehighvalley [
> mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com<makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *Will
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 1:08 PM
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space
>
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
>
>
> Some news.... I have quite a bit of free time and I'm at the space right
> now. I'm working on the arduino project a bit building a bread board that
> we can load the arduino boot loader on bear Atmega 328P chips. If there is
> anything I can help out with please let me know.
>
>
>
> To contact me feel free to contact me via this google account through
> email or gtalk, or IRC with handle DagoRed.
>
>
>
> Another heads up, I'm leaving my programmer here in my locker. Please ask
> before using it because instruction will need to be provided. If you like
> the programmer, hop on IRC and talk to TomITX in #robotics or #AVR.
>
>
>
> -Will C.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:48:01 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space
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From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:07:10 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?
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Yes, fire up the heater!  You can put the thermostat halfway between 60 &
70, that works well.

 

From: Makelehighvalley
[mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Will
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:04 PM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?

 

Will W: I don't thing a ZIF is needed, a bread board accepts the pins right
out of the tube fairy well. In addition, I purchased a dip inserted and
puller from radio shack today. After the chip is programmed, it can be
dropped into the into a socket with ease. 

 

Jared: Don't stop progress on the single sided arduino board! Those boards
are handy to have and are something that can be used in other projects. As
for the board duino.... it might be better and cheaper to not do that. If we
made a power supply for the Atmega's we have more than enough to start
programming. We can save quite a bit of money and the only thing that would
be nice is a resonator but that isn't necessary unless we want to do the TV
B gone. What I am proposing would be excellent for working with a boe-bot of
sort or some other basics with programming microcontrollers. 

 

We can talk when you're in the space tonight (if you there).  

 

All: I'm in the space now so.... should I turn on the heater soon or what?
Let me know!

 

 

-Will C. 

 

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:08 AM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:

If we anticipate creating a decent amount of arduinos from raw ATmegas I
would suggest getting a ZIF socket to keep those pins pristine. 

 

http://evilmadscience.com/productsmenu/partsmenu/54-zif20

 

-Will W

 

 

 

From: Makelehighvalley
[mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Jared
Steckel
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:05 AM


To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?

 

All,

 

Apologies if Im confused about what we were talking about, but I believe
it's the arduino class we want to put together.

 

The original plan for our arduino class was to use the Boarduino.  There are
two in my locker (makes @gimps) that Jeff and I were going to use to develop
the curriculum.

 

For sourcing the kits for the class, we got the parts list and were
considering getting the empty pcb from Adafruit (5 bucks) and the parts from
digikey or the like.

 

Seems like Will has much more experience in this area than us, so feel free
to change the plan - sounds like you've got great ideas.

 

I do think its important to consider the effect of programming chips etc on
the time it will take to get the class ready, and how the depth of the
course will effect the level of interest to the Everyman.

 

One of the initial reasons for getting started on the class was a request
that came from Dave at DaVinci to train some educators there.

J (mobile)


On Nov 8, 2012, at 9:29 AM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:

Is the idea that we would teach people to program the ATMega's themselves or
have them ready for when the class would begin?

 

-Will W

 

From: Makelehighvalley
[mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Will
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:07 AM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?

 

I would be ordering just the loose chips. To put the chips on a board and
solder something down is $5 in parts more. The point of what I am trying to
accomplish is have something setup for rapid development that is cheaper
than what Mitch even had people do with the TV B Gone. I am using the bread
board to program the boot loader which saves about 40 cents per chip
minimum. I would use a socket on a board to do the same thing but the leads
on a fresh chip are more prone to bend in a socket over a bread board. 

The materials listed out side of the chip is all that is needed to make a
boot loader board. After the boot loader all the chip needs is power and the
chip itself to get started. 

-Will C 

On Nov 8, 2012 8:58 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:

 

I might be interested.  Are you ordering just the loose Atmel chips, or
mounted on boards?

 

R. S. James

 

 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Will 
Sent: Nov 7, 2012 7:45 PM 
To: Build things for fun! 
Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody? 

So at my time at the space, I have concluded that my little programmer I
built suffers from a wiring problem because I wan't using sufficient
materials (soldering tips of stranded wire in a bread board). However, good
news is that I have the basics up and running and found out how to use my
AVR programmer in windows.  

 

I will be ordering some parts but I would like to know who else at the space
would be interested in a cheap arduino? Once I order the chips (really chip)
I will upload the boot loader in which case anyone can program using either
Arduino or AVR programs on the chip.

 

For any future arduino classes, I believe this would be the ideal way work
with arduino's in a work shop setting. For power supplies, I think we should
look for old cell phone chargers and convert them (cut off tip, make bread
board header, add capacitor). In the end, we have an arduino that fits on a
bread board :). 

 

If anyone else is interested in doing what I am, I am currently writing
instructions right now on what has been done. Materials for this project are
as follows. 

 

AVR MKII programmer clone V2:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index
.php

 

Atmega 328:
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATMEGA328-PU/ATMEGA328-PU-ND/227102
6

 

Bread board:
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TW-E40-1020/438-1045-ND/643111

 

Add some solid core 22 gauge hook up wire and you have everything you need. 

 

In my locker at the space, you can find a bread board set up for use with my
programmer (I have the bread board connector from the same site as the
programmer). I'll be placing a digikey order so if anyone else is interested
please let me know and I can order your chip. 

 

-Will

 


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From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:09:19 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space
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Which bench?

-Will C


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 4:48 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Will,
>
> It was out on the bench last night - we were looking at it.  Should be
> sitting right there.  Blue?
>
> J
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space
> From: Will <staticphantom at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, November 08, 2012 2:44 pm
> To: "Build things for fun!" <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>
> Has anyone seen my programmer at all? It is missing from my locker at the
> space. I need both the programmer and the cable that were in my locker.
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Will Christensen
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>
>>  irc.freenode.net #makelv i think?
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/2012 2:41 PM, William Weik wrote:
>>
>>  Does anyone know what our IRC channels are?
>>  -Will W
>>
>>  *From:* Makelehighvalley [
>> mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com<makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Will
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 1:08 PM
>> *To:* Build things for fun!
>> *Subject:* [MakeLV] Hanging out at the space
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>>  Some news.... I have quite a bit of free time and I'm at the space
>> right now. I'm working on the arduino project a bit building a bread board
>> that we can load the arduino boot loader on bear Atmega 328P chips. If
>> there is anything I can help out with please let me know.
>>
>>  To contact me feel free to contact me via this google account through
>> email or gtalk, or IRC with handle DagoRed.
>>
>>  Another heads up, I'm leaving my programmer here in my locker. Please
>> ask before using it because instruction will need to be provided. If you
>> like the programmer, hop on IRC and talk to TomITX in #robotics or #AVR.
>>
>>  -Will C.
>>
>>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 16:10:51 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:10:51 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?
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Thanks Jared, I found it.

And yes that is the programmer.

-Will C


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>wrote:

> Yes, fire up the heater!  You can put the thermostat halfway between 60 &
> 70, that works well.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Will
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:04 PM
>
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?****
>
> ** **
>
> Will W: I don't thing a ZIF is needed, a bread board accepts the pins
> right out of the tube fairy well. In addition, I purchased a
> dip inserted and puller from radio shack today. After the chip is
> programmed, it can be dropped into the into a socket with ease. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Jared: Don't stop progress on the single sided arduino board! Those boards
> are handy to have and are something that can be used in other projects. As
> for the board duino.... it might be better and cheaper to not do that. If
> we made a power supply for the Atmega's we have more than enough to start
> programming. We can save quite a bit of money and the only thing that would
> be nice is a resonator but that isn't necessary unless we want to do the TV
> B gone. What I am proposing would be excellent for working with a boe-bot
> of sort or some other basics with programming microcontrollers. ****
>
> ** **
>
> We can talk when you're in the space tonight (if you there).  ****
>
> ** **
>
> All: I'm in the space now so.... should I turn on the heater soon or what?
> Let me know!****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> -Will C. ****
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:08 AM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:***
> *
>
> If we anticipate creating a decent amount of arduinos from raw ATmegas I
> would suggest getting a ZIF socket to keep those pins pristine. ****
>
>  ****
>
> http://evilmadscience.com/productsmenu/partsmenu/54-zif20****
>
>  ****
>
> -Will W****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Jared
> Steckel
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:05 AM****
>
>
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?****
>
>  ****
>
> All,****
>
>  ****
>
> Apologies if Im confused about what we were talking about, but I believe
> it's the arduino class we want to put together.****
>
>  ****
>
> The original plan for our arduino class was to use the Boarduino.  There
> are two in my locker (makes @gimps) that Jeff and I were going to use to
> develop the curriculum.****
>
>  ****
>
> For sourcing the kits for the class, we got the parts list and were
> considering getting the empty pcb from Adafruit (5 bucks) and the parts
> from digikey or the like.****
>
>  ****
>
> Seems like Will has much more experience in this area than us, so feel
> free to change the plan - sounds like you've got great ideas.****
>
>  ****
>
> I do think its important to consider the effect of programming chips etc
> on the time it will take to get the class ready, and how the depth of the
> course will effect the level of interest to the Everyman.****
>
>  ****
>
> One of the initial reasons for getting started on the class was a request
> that came from Dave at DaVinci to train some educators there.
>
> J (mobile)****
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 9:29 AM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:****
>
> Is the idea that we would teach people to program the ATMega's themselves
> or have them ready for when the class would begin?****
>
>  ****
>
> -Will W****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* Makelehighvalley [
> mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com<makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *Will
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:07 AM
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?****
>
>  ****
>
> I would be ordering just the loose chips. To put the chips on a board and
> solder something down is $5 in parts more. The point of what I am trying to
> accomplish is have something setup for rapid development that is cheaper
> than what Mitch even had people do with the TV B Gone. I am using the bread
> board to program the boot loader which saves about 40 cents per chip
> minimum. I would use a socket on a board to do the same thing but the leads
> on a fresh chip are more prone to bend in a socket over a bread board. ***
> *
>
> The materials listed out side of the chip is all that is needed to make a
> boot loader board. After the boot loader all the chip needs is power and
> the chip itself to get started. ****
>
> -Will C ****
>
> On Nov 8, 2012 8:58 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:****
>
>  ****
>
> I might be interested.  Are you ordering just the loose Atmel chips, or
> mounted on boards?****
>
>  ****
>
> R. S. James****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will
> Sent: Nov 7, 2012 7:45 PM
> To: Build things for fun!
> Subject: [MakeLV] Cheap arduino's anybody?
>
> So at my time at the space, I have concluded that my little programmer I
> built suffers from a wiring problem because I wan't using sufficient
> materials (soldering tips of stranded wire in a bread board). However, good
> news is that I have the basics up and running and found out how to use my
> AVR programmer in windows.  ****
>
>  ****
>
> I will be ordering some parts but I would like to know who else at the
> space would be interested in a cheap arduino? Once I order the chips
> (really chip) I will upload the boot loader in which case anyone can
> program using either Arduino or AVR programs on the chip.****
>
>  ****
>
> For any future arduino classes, I believe this would be the ideal way work
> with arduino's in a work shop setting. For power supplies, I think we
> should look for old cell phone chargers and convert them (cut off tip, make
> bread board header, add capacitor). In the end, we have an arduino that
> fits on a bread board :). ****
>
>  ****
>
> If anyone else is interested in doing what I am, I am currently writing
> instructions right now on what has been done. Materials for this project
> are as follows. ****
>
>  ****
>
> AVR MKII programmer clone V2:
> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> Atmega 328:
> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATMEGA328-PU/ATMEGA328-PU-ND/2271026
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> Bread board:
> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TW-E40-1020/438-1045-ND/643111***
> *
>
>  ****
>
> Add some solid core 22 gauge hook up wire and you have everything you
> need. ****
>
>  ****
>
> In my locker at the space, you can find a bread board set up for use with
> my programmer (I have the bread board connector from the same site as the
> programmer). I'll be placing a digikey order so if anyone else is
> interested please let me know and I can order your chip. ****
>
>  ****
>
> -Will****
>
>  ****
>
>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 18:57:37 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:57:37 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Large PCB
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Cheapest way I have found to make lots of boards. Make it on a giant sheet
and score it to cute the different boards.

http://www.goldphoenixpcb.com/

-Will C
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From rsjames at ix.netcom.com  Fri Nov  9 08:33:15 2012
From: rsjames at ix.netcom.com (rsjames at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:33:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [MakeLV] Large PCB
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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 09:16:22 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:16:22 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Large PCB
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Throwing in my two cents.

>From the creator of the teensy 3.0 he kind of did PCB manufacturer research
for us.

Here are his results.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulstoffregen/teensy-30-32-bit-arm-cortex-m4-usable-in-arduino-a/posts/305527

OSH Park http://oshpark.com/ seems to be a pretty good bet based on the
aparent quality of the boards. Cost is $5 per square inch and you get 3
copies of the board.

-Jeff

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:33 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>
>  I've never used that particular outfit.  There are plenty of PC houses
> around, some of them local.  AIA (Allen Integrated Assemblies) is in
> Macungie, for example.  If you are making more than a handful of boards,
> having an outside manufacturer fab the boards is definitely the way to go.
> It also gives you the option of getting a multi-layer board, and you
> can use fine pitch surface mount chips.  SMT chips tend to be
> more available than thru-hole these days.  Turn around times from some of
> these places can be stupid fast.  The Chinese outfits usually take a few
> weeks to a month or two, but the prices are a LOT cheaper.  Of course,
> this eliminates all the fun of etching and soldering.  On the other hand,
> having a tight deadline for getting bunch of boards together for a class
> when the etching is going poorly also eliminates fun!  A lot of these
> places will even do the layout for you.  All you have to do is supply a
> parts list and schematic.  There are lots of other advantages to going
> through a board house, such as silk screening, coatings, etc.
>
>
>
> Putting a bunch of circuits on a large board, and etching them all at once
> is standard procedure for commercial manufacturing.  People generally don't
> populate the boards until they are cut apart, but you can do that if you
> want to.  Hard to cut them without damaging components.  Keep in mind that
> the circuits don't have to be the same.  You can get boards made for five
> or six projects at once.
>
>
>
> I would strongly recommend using a zif socket for programming.  There are
> a number of reasons: 1. That is what zif sockets are made for.  2. You
> don't need a second reason.  A zif socket is the correct tool for holding a
> chip while it is being programmed.  Cheap ones last for hundreds of
> uses, good ones last forever.  The white proto-boards will eventually get
> dodgy and intermittent.  As long as we are on the topic of those
> proto-boards, keep in mind that they are not designed for high frequencies.
> They tend to have a LOT of capacitance, and can adversely affect fast
> signals like clocks.  If I?m using one of those boards, and the circuit
> is not behaving as I expect, the proto-board is usually near to top of the
> suspect list. (Right after forgetting to connect the power pins!)
>
>
>
> R. S. James
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will **
> Sent: Nov 8, 2012 7:57 PM
> To: Build things for fun! **
> Subject: [MakeLV] Large PCB
>
> Cheapest way I have found to make lots of boards. Make it on a giant sheet
> and score it to cute the different boards.
>
> http://www.goldphoenixpcb.com/
>
> -Will C
>
>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Nov  9 11:10:50 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:10:50 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Large PCB
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Oh, if there are local people, it would seem wise to develop a relationship
with them for other reasons. If we get in and they like what we're doing as
an organization, we could potentially bring in discounts for members and
also find funding opportunities.

On EEVBlog, I've seen him get the boards with a groove cut in them so they
don't need to be cut. They just snap apart on the goove. It is the same
theory as cutting lines in the sidewalk or folding paper before you tear it
to cause it to break on a predictable line.

JSR/


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:33 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>
>  I've never used that particular outfit.  There are plenty of PC houses
> around, some of them local.  AIA (Allen Integrated Assemblies) is in
> Macungie, for example.  If you are making more than a handful of boards,
> having an outside manufacturer fab the boards is definitely the way to go.
> It also gives you the option of getting a multi-layer board, and you
> can use fine pitch surface mount chips.  SMT chips tend to be
> more available than thru-hole these days.  Turn around times from some of
> these places can be stupid fast.  The Chinese outfits usually take a few
> weeks to a month or two, but the prices are a LOT cheaper.  Of course,
> this eliminates all the fun of etching and soldering.  On the other hand,
> having a tight deadline for getting bunch of boards together for a class
> when the etching is going poorly also eliminates fun!  A lot of these
> places will even do the layout for you.  All you have to do is supply a
> parts list and schematic.  There are lots of other advantages to going
> through a board house, such as silk screening, coatings, etc.
>
>
>
> Putting a bunch of circuits on a large board, and etching them all at once
> is standard procedure for commercial manufacturing.  People generally don't
> populate the boards until they are cut apart, but you can do that if you
> want to.  Hard to cut them without damaging components.  Keep in mind that
> the circuits don't have to be the same.  You can get boards made for five
> or six projects at once.
>
>
>
> I would strongly recommend using a zif socket for programming.  There are
> a number of reasons: 1. That is what zif sockets are made for.  2. You
> don't need a second reason.  A zif socket is the correct tool for holding a
> chip while it is being programmed.  Cheap ones last for hundreds of
> uses, good ones last forever.  The white proto-boards will eventually get
> dodgy and intermittent.  As long as we are on the topic of those
> proto-boards, keep in mind that they are not designed for high frequencies.
> They tend to have a LOT of capacitance, and can adversely affect fast
> signals like clocks.  If I?m using one of those boards, and the circuit
> is not behaving as I expect, the proto-board is usually near to top of the
> suspect list. (Right after forgetting to connect the power pins!)
>
>
>
> R. S. James
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will **
> Sent: Nov 8, 2012 7:57 PM
> To: Build things for fun! **
> Subject: [MakeLV] Large PCB
>
> Cheapest way I have found to make lots of boards. Make it on a giant sheet
> and score it to cute the different boards.
>
> http://www.goldphoenixpcb.com/
>
> -Will C
>
>
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From rsjames at ix.netcom.com  Fri Nov  9 11:21:47 2012
From: rsjames at ix.netcom.com (rsjames at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:21:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [MakeLV] Large PCB
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From kwwacker at ptd.net  Fri Nov  9 11:41:53 2012
From: kwwacker at ptd.net (Karl-Wilhelm Wacker)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:41:53 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Large PCB
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I've been using http://www.4pcb.com/33-each-pcbs/ for several years now for my consulting work.

You can get 4 or more 2 layer boards up to 60 sq in for $33 each plus shipping, and add $50 if it has more
than one board type or multiples of the same board on it. [For the order, not per board]

The good news is that if you are a student, you can get one board only for $33 + shipping.

They have a similar deal for 4 layer boards - $66 each [min 4] for up to 30 sq in [+$50 for multiples]
and again $66 for one if you are a student.

I found a small table top tile saw with a diamond wheel, to cut my boards apart - I just allow a 1/16
gap between the boards when I lay them out.

Karl



From: rsjames at ix.netcom.com 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:21 PM
To: Build things for fun! 
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Large PCB


Don't need the groove, just a big laser...

  -----Original Message----- 
  From: Josiah Ritchie 
  Sent: Nov 9, 2012 12:10 PM 
  To: Build things for fun! 
  Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Large PCB 

  Oh, if there are local people, it would seem wise to develop a relationship with them for other reasons. If we get in and they like what we're doing as an organization, we could potentially bring in discounts for members and also find funding opportunities. 


  On EEVBlog, I've seen him get the boards with a groove cut in them so they don't need to be cut. They just snap apart on the goove. It is the same theory as cutting lines in the sidewalk or folding paper before you tear it to cause it to break on a predictable line.


  JSR/



  On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:33 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:



    I've never used that particular outfit.  There are plenty of PC houses around, some of them local.  AIA (Allen Integrated Assemblies) is in Macungie, for example.  If you are making more than a handful of boards, having an outside manufacturer fab the boards is definitely the way to go.  It also gives you the option of getting a multi-layer board, and you can use fine pitch surface mount chips.  SMT chips tend to be more available than thru-hole these days.  Turn around times from some of these places can be stupid fast.  The Chinese outfits usually take a few weeks to a month or two, but the prices are a LOT cheaper.  Of course, this eliminates all the fun of etching and soldering.  On the other hand, having a tight deadline for getting bunch of boards together for a class when the etching is going poorly also eliminates fun!  A lot of these places will even do the layout for you.  All you have to do is supply a parts list and schematic.  There are lots of other advantages to going through a board house, such as silk screening, coatings, etc.  



    Putting a bunch of circuits on a large board, and etching them all at once is standard procedure for commercial manufacturing.  People generally don't populate the boards until they are cut apart, but you can do that if you want to.  Hard to cut them without damaging components.  Keep in mind that the circuits don't have to be the same.  You can get boards made for five or six projects at once.



    I would strongly recommend using a zif socket for programming.  There are a number of reasons: 1. That is what zif sockets are made for.  2. You don't need a second reason.  A zif socket is the correct tool for holding a chip while it is being programmed.  Cheap ones last for hundreds of uses, good ones last forever.  The white proto-boards will eventually get dodgy and intermittent.  As long as we are on the topic of those proto-boards, keep in mind that they are not designed for high frequencies.  They tend to have a LOT of capacitance, and can adversely affect fast signals like clocks.  If I?m using one of those boards, and the circuit is not behaving as I expect, the proto-board is usually near to top of the suspect list. (Right after forgetting to connect the power pins!)    



    R. S. James


                           

      -----Original Message----- 
      From: Will 
      Sent: Nov 8, 2012 7:57 PM 
      To: Build things for fun! 
      Subject: [MakeLV] Large PCB 

      Cheapest way I have found to make lots of boards. Make it on a giant sheet and score it to cute the different boards.  


      http://www.goldphoenixpcb.com/


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From whatever at taggers.org  Fri Nov  9 13:07:07 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:07:07 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] scrap metal and forum topic.
Message-ID: <509D545B.9010309@taggers.org>

After some though snow hacks might be too specific, so winter hacks?
also we got 14.00 for the scrap metal



From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Nov  9 14:09:59 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:09:59 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] scrap metal and forum topic.
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Yeah, that sounds like a good topic. Nice! on the scrap metal also.

JSR/


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> After some though snow hacks might be too specific, so winter hacks?
> also we got 14.00 for the scrap metal
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From whatever at taggers.org  Fri Nov  9 14:49:33 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:49:33 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Fire extinguishers and flashlights
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ok cheapest fire extinguisher at office depot was 160 something.
so thats out at least for the moment.
we do now have flashlights though



From david at davincisciencecenter.org  Fri Nov  9 15:00:23 2012
From: david at davincisciencecenter.org (David Smith)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:00:23 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Fire extinguishers and flashlights
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What type of extinguisher are we looking for?

Dave

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:

> ok cheapest fire extinguisher at office depot was 160 something.
> so thats out at least for the moment.
> we do now have flashlights though
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Fri Nov  9 15:11:24 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:11:24 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Fire extinguishers and flashlights
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One that extinguishes.

J (mobile)

On Nov 9, 2012, at 4:00 PM, David Smith <david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:

> What type of extinguisher are we looking for?
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>> ok cheapest fire extinguisher at office depot was 160 something.
>> so thats out at least for the moment.
>> we do now have flashlights though
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From saxywolf at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 15:16:10 2012
From: saxywolf at gmail.com (Ellis Farmer)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:16:10 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Fire extinguishers and flashlights
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"One that works" was my first response...  But on a serious level, I think *Dry
Powder* since it is the only kind for both paper/wood and electrical
equipment.

-Ellis


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>wrote:

> One that extinguishes.
>
> J (mobile)
>
> On Nov 9, 2012, at 4:00 PM, David Smith <david at davincisciencecenter.org>
> wrote:
>
> What type of extinguisher are we looking for?
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>
>> ok cheapest fire extinguisher at office depot was 160 something.
>> so thats out at least for the moment.
>> we do now have flashlights though
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Fri Nov  9 15:44:41 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:44:41 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Large PCB
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Hi all,

All great information - thanks!  Ill compile what I see here into a comparison so we can make a decision and get this moving.

J (mobile)

On Nov 9, 2012, at 12:41 PM, "Karl-Wilhelm Wacker" <kwwacker at ptd.net> wrote:

> I've been using http://www.4pcb.com/33-each-pcbs/ for several years now for my consulting work.
>  
> You can get 4 or more 2 layer boards up to 60 sq in for $33 each plus shipping, and add $50 if it has more
> than one board type or multiples of the same board on it. [For the order, not per board]
>  
> The good news is that if you are a student, you can get one board only for $33 + shipping.
>  
> They have a similar deal for 4 layer boards - $66 each [min 4] for up to 30 sq in [+$50 for multiples]
> and again $66 for one if you are a student.
>  
> I found a small table top tile saw with a diamond wheel, to cut my boards apart - I just allow a 1/16
> gap between the boards when I lay them out.
>  
> Karl
>  
>  
>  
> From: rsjames at ix.netcom.com
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:21 PM
> To: Build things for fun!
> Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Large PCB
> 
> Don't need the groove, just a big laser...
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Josiah Ritchie 
> Sent: Nov 9, 2012 12:10 PM 
> To: Build things for fun! 
> Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Large PCB 
> 
> Oh, if there are local people, it would seem wise to develop a relationship with them for other reasons. If we get in and they like what we're doing as an organization, we could potentially bring in discounts for members and also find funding opportunities.
> 
> On EEVBlog, I've seen him get the boards with a groove cut in them so they don't need to be cut. They just snap apart on the goove. It is the same theory as cutting lines in the sidewalk or folding paper before you tear it to cause it to break on a predictable line.
> 
> JSR/
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:33 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I've never used that particular outfit.  There are plenty of PC houses around, some of them local.  AIA (Allen Integrated Assemblies) is in Macungie, for example.  If you are making more than a handful of boards, having an outside manufacturer fab the boards is definitely the way to go.  It also gives you the option of getting a multi-layer board, and you can use fine pitch surface mount chips.  SMT chips tend to be more available than thru-hole these days.  Turn around times from some of these places can be stupid fast.  The Chinese outfits usually take a few weeks to a month or two, but the prices are a LOT cheaper.  Of course, this eliminates all the fun of etching and soldering.  On the other hand, having a tight deadline for getting bunch of boards together for a class when the etching is going poorly also eliminates fun!  A lot of these places will even do the layout for you.  All you have to do is supply a parts list and schematic.  There are lots of other advantages to going through a board house, such as silk screening, coatings, etc. 
>>  
>> Putting a bunch of circuits on a large board, and etching them all at once is standard procedure for commercial manufacturing.  People generally don't populate the boards until they are cut apart, but you can do that if you want to.  Hard to cut them without damaging components.  Keep in mind that the circuits don't have to be the same.  You can get boards made for five or six projects at once.
>>  
>> I would strongly recommend using a zif socket for programming.  There are a number of reasons: 1. That is what zif sockets are made for.  2. You don't need a second reason.  A zif socket is the correct tool for holding a chip while it is being programmed.  Cheap ones last for hundreds of uses, good ones last forever.  The white proto-boards will eventually get dodgy and intermittent.  As long as we are      on the topic of those proto-boards, keep in mind that they are not designed for high frequencies.  They tend to have a LOT of capacitance, and can adversely affect fast signals like clocks.  If I?m using one of those boards, and the circuit is not behaving as I expect, the proto-board is usually near to top of the suspect list. (Right after forgetting to connect the power pins!)    
>>  
>> R. S. James
>>                        
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Will 
>> Sent: Nov 8, 2012 7:57 PM 
>> To: Build things for fun! 
>> Subject: [MakeLV] Large PCB 
>> 
>> Cheapest way I have found to make lots of boards. Make it on a giant sheet and score it to cute the different boards. 
>> 
>> http://www.goldphoenixpcb.com/
>> 
>> -Will C
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Fri Nov  9 15:47:51 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:47:51 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Hive4a/MakeLV Badge Design
Message-ID: <6A103EE6-81F5-4FA7-A392-7B7015BE74FA@jaredsroom.com>

It's appropriate at this time to get our badge design and circuit layed out for production.  Let the discussion commence!

I heard Josh was making a MakeLV logo - is THAT the physical design?

We also need to hash out what it does, and the components we'll need.

J (mobile)


From kwwacker at ptd.net  Fri Nov  9 15:50:26 2012
From: kwwacker at ptd.net (Karl-Wilhelm Wacker)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:50:26 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Fire extinguishers and flashlights
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 At Home Depot: 
Kidde Recreation Fire Extinguisher 
Model # 466142
Store SKU # 132524

$19.48 /EA-Each 

The Kidde 1-A:10-B:C Fire Extinguisher is suitable for use on most household fire types including trash, wood, paper, liquid, gas and energized electrical equipment fires. This fire extinguisher is fitted with a pressure gauge that provides at-a-glance status checks and is manufactured from lightweight aluminum with a nylon valve assembly.



  a.. UL listed 1-A:10-B:C for most household fire types 
  b.. Monoammonium-phosphate discharge is suitable for use on Class A (trash, wood and paper), Class B (liquids and gases) and Class C (energized electrical equipment) fires 
  c.. 6 - 8 ft. discharge range and 8 - 12 second discharge time with an operating pressure of 100 psi 
  d.. Pressure gauge helps you check that the extinguisher is in proper working order 
  e.. Non-rechargeable 
  f.. Lightweight aluminum cylinder with a tough nylon valve assembly 
  g.. MFG Brand Name : Kidde 
  h.. MFG Model # : 466142 
  i.. MFG Part # : 466142 



From: Ellis Farmer 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 4:16 PM
To: Build things for fun! 
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Fire extinguishers and flashlights


"One that works" was my first response...  But on a serious level, I think Dry Powder since it is the only kind for both paper/wood and electrical equipment.


-Ellis



On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

  One that extinguishes.

  J (mobile)

  On Nov 9, 2012, at 4:00 PM, David Smith <david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:


    What type of extinguisher are we looking for?

    Dave


    On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:

      ok cheapest fire extinguisher at office depot was 160 something.
      so thats out at least for the moment.
      we do now have flashlights though

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From rsjames at ix.netcom.com  Fri Nov  9 16:02:46 2012
From: rsjames at ix.netcom.com (rsjames at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 17:02:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Fri Nov  9 16:06:57 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 17:06:57 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Fire extinguishers and flashlights
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I agree.  Ill bring this up with AEDC.

J (mobile)

On Nov 9, 2012, at 5:02 PM, rsjames at ix.netcom.com wrote:

> It is always good to have more fire extinguishers.  That said, we should probably have a discussion with the building owner or AEDC about the extinguishers.  They may be responsible for providing them.  There are also specific code requirements (quantity, type, size, mounting location), since this is not a private residence.
>  
> We should probably check the Exit signs and emergency lighting requirements at the same time. 
>  
> R. S. James
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Karl-Wilhelm Wacker 
> Sent: Nov 9, 2012 4:50 PM 
> To: Build things for fun! 
> Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Fire extinguishers and flashlights 
> 
>  At Home Depot:
> Kidde Recreation Fire Extinguisher
> 
> Model # 466142 Store SKU # 132524
> $19.48 /EA-Each
> The Kidde 1-A:10-B:C Fire Extinguisher is suitable for use on most household fire types including trash, wood, paper, liquid, gas and energized electrical equipment fires. This fire extinguisher is fitted with a pressure gauge that provides at-a-glance status checks and is manufactured from lightweight aluminum with a nylon valve assembly.
> 
> UL listed 1-A:10-B:C for most household fire types
> Monoammonium-phosphate discharge is suitable for use on Class A (trash, wood and paper), Class B (liquids and gases) and Class C (energized electrical equipment) fires
> 6 - 8 ft. discharge range and 8 - 12 second discharge time with an operating pressure of 100 psi
> Pressure gauge helps you check that the extinguisher is in proper working order
> Non-rechargeable
> Lightweight aluminum cylinder with a tough nylon valve assembly
> MFG Brand Name : Kidde
> MFG Model # : 466142
> MFG Part # : 466142
>  
> 
> From: Ellis Farmer
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 4:16 PM
> To: Build things for fun!
> Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Fire extinguishers and flashlights
> 
> "One that works" was my first response...  But on a serious level, I think Dry Powder since it is the only kind for both paper/wood and electrical equipment.
> 
> -Ellis
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>> One that extinguishes.
>> 
>> J (mobile)
>> 
>> On Nov 9, 2012, at 4:00 PM, David Smith <david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> What type of extinguisher are we looking for?
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>>>> ok cheapest fire extinguisher at office depot was 160 something.
>>>> so thats out at least for the moment.
>>>> we do now have flashlights though
>>>> 
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>>> Chief Scientist
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
>>> Allentown, PA 18103-3686
>>> 484-664-1002 x111
>>> david at davincisciencecenter.org
>>> http://www.davincisciencecenter.org
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From rob at pabut.org  Fri Nov  9 17:16:39 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob Roschewsk)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 23:16:39 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] Fire extinguishers and flashlights
In-Reply-To: <481FB07A-B53E-4F39-9ED7-7B018163C390@jaredsroom.com>
References: <27760355.1352498566755.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<481FB07A-B53E-4F39-9ED7-7B018163C390@jaredsroom.com>
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Might we want to tread lightly there ..... ???? After all we're there on
their good graces ....

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>wrote:

> I agree.  Ill bring this up with AEDC.
>
> J (mobile)
>
> On Nov 9, 2012, at 5:02 PM, rsjames at ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> It is always good to have more fire extinguishers.  That said, we should
> probably have a discussion with the building owner or AEDC about the
> extinguishers.  They may be responsible for providing them.  There are also
> specific code requirements (quantity, type, size, mounting location), since
> this is not a private residence.
>
>
>
> We should probably check the Exit signs and emergency lighting
> requirements at the same time.
>
>
>
> R. S. James
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl-Wilhelm Wacker **
> Sent: Nov 9, 2012 4:50 PM
> To: Build things for fun! **
> Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Fire extinguishers and flashlights
>
> ****************
> ** At Home Depot:****
> Kidde Recreation Fire Extinguisher
>
> Model # 466142
>
> Store SKU # 132524
> ****
>
> $19.48 /EA-Each
> ******
>
> The Kidde 1-A:10-B:C Fire Extinguisher is suitable for use on most
> household fire types including trash, wood, paper, liquid, gas and
> energized electrical equipment fires. This fire extinguisher is fitted with
> a pressure gauge that provides at-a-glance status checks and is
> manufactured from lightweight aluminum with a nylon valve assembly.
>
>
>    - UL listed 1-A:10-B:C for most household fire types
>    - Monoammonium-phosphate discharge is suitable for use on Class A
>    (trash, wood and paper), Class B (liquids and gases) and Class C (energized
>    electrical equipment) fires
>    - 6 - 8 ft. discharge range and 8 - 12 second discharge time with an
>    operating pressure of 100 psi
>    - Pressure gauge helps you check that the extinguisher is in proper
>    working order
>    - Non-rechargeable
>    - Lightweight aluminum cylinder with a tough nylon valve assembly
>    - MFG Brand Name : Kidde
>    - MFG Model # : 466142
>    - MFG Part # : 466142
>
>
>
>  *From:* Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2012 4:16 PM
> *To:* Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Fire extinguishers and flashlights
>
> "One that works" was my first response...  But on a serious level, I think
> *Dry Powder* since it is the only kind for both paper/wood and electrical
> equipment.
>
> -Ellis
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>wrote:
>
>>  One that extinguishes.
>>
>> J (mobile)
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2012, at 4:00 PM, David Smith <david at davincisciencecenter.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  What type of extinguisher are we looking for?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> ok cheapest fire extinguisher at office depot was 160 something.
>>> so thats out at least for the moment.
>>> we do now have flashlights though
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> David L. Smith, Ph.D.
>> Chief Scientist
>>
>>
>>
>> 3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
>> Allentown, PA 18103-3686
>> 484-664-1002 x111
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>> http://www.davincisciencecenter.org
>>
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From whatever at taggers.org  Fri Nov  9 18:26:16 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:26:16 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Fire extinguishers and flashlights
In-Reply-To: <CAKY0pFRgSwhKpxUCKgq6KCK2OOm1zHhc5yb=rLefbhjoUw3t9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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we need one rated for electrical and one rated for chemical.
was hoping to spend like 20-30 per though this probably isn't in the 
cards for this month.

On 11/9/2012 4:00 PM, David Smith wrote:
> What type of extinguisher are we looking for?
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org 
> <mailto:whatever at taggers.org>> wrote:
>
>     ok cheapest fire extinguisher at office depot was 160 something.
>     so thats out at least for the moment.
>     we do now have flashlights though
>
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>
>
>
> -- 
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> Chief Scientist
>
>
>
> 3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
> Allentown, PA 18103-3686
> 484-664-1002 x111
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From whatever at taggers.org  Fri Nov  9 18:28:13 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:28:13 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Hive4a/MakeLV Badge Design
In-Reply-To: <6A103EE6-81F5-4FA7-A392-7B7015BE74FA@jaredsroom.com>
References: <6A103EE6-81F5-4FA7-A392-7B7015BE74FA@jaredsroom.com>
Message-ID: <509D9F9D.5070902@taggers.org>

blinky lights are always huge, i'd like one that does something usefull 
but it can't be too involved.. is it hard to make an inline audio amp?  
its one of those things i'm always looking for and correct me if i'm 
wrong aren't too terribly complicated.
On 11/9/2012 4:47 PM, Jared Steckel wrote:
> It's appropriate at this time to get our badge design and circuit layed out for production.  Let the discussion commence!
>
> I heard Josh was making a MakeLV logo - is THAT the physical design?
>
> We also need to hash out what it does, and the components we'll need.
>
> J (mobile)
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From rob at pabut.org  Fri Nov  9 21:19:12 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Pabut)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 22:19:12 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Do not look into 12 Watt UV lamp with remaining eye - Hack
	a Day
Message-ID: <CD62C96F-AACA-41C0-819F-D9F452EBF46F@pabut.org>

http://hackaday.com/2012/11/07/do-not-look-into-12-watt-uv-lamp-with-remaining-eye/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hackaday%2FLgoM+%28Hack+a+Day%29


--> Rob




From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Sat Nov 10 00:16:02 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 01:16:02 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] =?utf-8?q?Adafruit=E2=80=99s_got_a_new_board=2C_an_offic?=
	=?utf-8?q?ial_Arduino?=
Message-ID: <CANyh6VsxfktSVjH6SeqHHJRmmOf4aKGiHmEtBfhOcwKgU1uwWw@mail.gmail.com>

As if we didn't have enough last night,  here is another option for Arduino
in a breadboard for the classes...

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/hackaday/LgoM/~3/TLvEx88bIZE/

JSR /
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 00:21:15 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 01:21:15 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV]
	=?windows-1252?q?Adafruit=92s_got_a_new_board=2C_an_offi?=
	=?windows-1252?q?cial_Arduino?=
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VsxfktSVjH6SeqHHJRmmOf4aKGiHmEtBfhOcwKgU1uwWw@mail.gmail.com>
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For people that don't know. That is a 32 bit arduino. Combined with LUFA,
that is one sexy project board. For classes I would say that board is over
kill. For 90% of projects that have arduino attached to it, that board is
over kill. Needless to say, if you love arduino get it!

-Will C
On Nov 10, 2012 1:16 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:

> As if we didn't have enough last night,  here is another option for
> Arduino in a breadboard for the classes...
>
> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/hackaday/LgoM/~3/TLvEx88bIZE/
>
> JSR /
>
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From rsjames at ix.netcom.com  Sat Nov 10 07:26:17 2012
From: rsjames at ix.netcom.com (rsjames at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 08:26:17 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [MakeLV] Hive4a/MakeLV Badge Design
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Sat Nov 10 10:44:53 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:44:53 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] The ultimate low-cost dev board
Message-ID: <CANyh6VsT-PoOZdm+5pXYM=3-iOeqCJFHOjk8dy6NpttAb3Bexg@mail.gmail.com>

So,  cheap was another one of the stated objectives. Can we do better than
this with arduino compatibility?

http://hackaday.com/2012/11/10/the-ultimate-low-cost-dev-board/

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From rob at pabut.org  Sat Nov 10 15:08:10 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob Roschewsk)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:08:10 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] The ultimate low-cost dev board
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VsT-PoOZdm+5pXYM=3-iOeqCJFHOjk8dy6NpttAb3Bexg@mail.gmail.com>
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Looking at that article ... they're sourcing a lot of parts from TAYDA
electronics http://www.taydaelectronics.com/

Their prices are very reasonable and shipping isn't oppressive ..... has
anyone had experience with them ???

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Josiah Ritchie
<josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> So,  cheap was another one of the stated objectives. Can we do better than
> this with arduino compatibility?
>
> http://hackaday.com/2012/11/10/the-ultimate-low-cost-dev-board/
>
> JSR /
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From jonaswood1 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 18:49:32 2012
From: jonaswood1 at gmail.com (Jonas Wood)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:49:32 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Gambeling hacks and this months forum
In-Reply-To: <CA+Og09nR7ihrBXsKeEG_EaGhCucCdhOmfk_555JbHcKCJHmYpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Og09=FJL6VD-VF=vfL74M1DM6EFsSw6UBn17wTmLFpjdDVug@mail.gmail.com>
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Wondering if anyones into the casino thing. Wether anyone wants to go
together and try some powerball hack I worked up

Also planning on running the forum the last Thursday of the month
On Nov 10, 2012 4:08 PM, "Rob Roschewsk" <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Sat Nov 10 20:48:41 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:48:41 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Gambeling hacks and this months forum
In-Reply-To: <CA+Og09kLdvy=uwHa9WjnBiB+fz15VP58xGpFOg8qStUuSSBpFg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CA+Og09nHaxO0uc5_3yuExK7TVz8vKSmQmNNz-gbdGXX1acQxbQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <63ACF5FF-AF4C-4420-B2D9-345F29F05736@jaredsroom.com>

So once a month as opposed to weekly? Makes sense, might be difficult to keep up with.

J (mobile)

On Nov 10, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Jonas Wood <jonaswood1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wondering if anyones into the casino thing. Wether anyone wants to go together and try some powerball hack I worked up
> 
> Also planning on running the forum the last Thursday of the month
> 
> On Nov 10, 2012 4:08 PM, "Rob Roschewsk" <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 21:49:36 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 22:49:36 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV]
	=?windows-1252?q?Adafruit=92s_got_a_new_board=2C_an_offi?=
	=?windows-1252?q?cial_Arduino?=
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Figures... the topic that never dies just got some press by hackady.
Yes.... a single chip arduino is the cheapest arduino solution. However, I
posted today was this alternative that I believe is as cheap as it gets.
http://hackaday.com/2012/11/10/the-ultimate-low-cost-dev-board/

Additionally, I am proposing something for arduino classes in the future.

   - The class Mitch ran was amazing in the response, it would be good to
   teach soldering and basic prototyping and should be repeated WHEN
   applicable.
   - For classes with a group that focuses on the teaching basic
   programming and prototyping for lesser skill and less enthusiastic
   audiences, board duino pre-built seems like the best solution (with the
   option for people to bring in their own arduino).
   - For any type of hacking the space will run, to keep costs down I
   recommend pushing a design like the shrimp. Why? It's cheap and gets the
   job done which is the point of a true hacker.

Final mention, do we have a data locker or a way host code that has been
completed? In the future we should allow all code that has been developed
for the classes to be accessible on the web site with a link given to the
class specific. The idea is that we don't want to just provide basics and
flash some code. We want the code to be accessible and through the mailing
list, IRC, open hacks, and the website we can extend support and there by
grow the community when people leave the class.

In the next officer meeting, lets look into what it would take for a
storage locker of code for projects.

-Will C

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> For people that don't know. That is a 32 bit arduino. Combined with LUFA,
> that is one sexy project board. For classes I would say that board is over
> kill. For 90% of projects that have arduino attached to it, that board is
> over kill. Needless to say, if you love arduino get it!
>
> -Will C
> On Nov 10, 2012 1:16 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
> wrote:
>
>> As if we didn't have enough last night,  here is another option for
>> Arduino in a breadboard for the classes...
>>
>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/hackaday/LgoM/~3/TLvEx88bIZE/
>>
>> JSR /
>>
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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 22:05:55 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:05:55 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV]
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Don't we already have a GitHub account? If not I would suggest that for
storing code. If we need one I can make it.

Jeff
On Nov 10, 2012 10:49 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> Figures... the topic that never dies just got some press by hackady.
> Yes.... a single chip arduino is the cheapest arduino solution. However, I
> posted today was this alternative that I believe is as cheap as it gets.
> http://hackaday.com/2012/11/10/the-ultimate-low-cost-dev-board/
>
> Additionally, I am proposing something for arduino classes in the future.
>
>    - The class Mitch ran was amazing in the response, it would be good to
>    teach soldering and basic prototyping and should be repeated WHEN
>    applicable.
>    - For classes with a group that focuses on the teaching basic
>    programming and prototyping for lesser skill and less enthusiastic
>    audiences, board duino pre-built seems like the best solution (with the
>    option for people to bring in their own arduino).
>    - For any type of hacking the space will run, to keep costs down I
>    recommend pushing a design like the shrimp. Why? It's cheap and gets the
>    job done which is the point of a true hacker.
>
> Final mention, do we have a data locker or a way host code that has been
> completed? In the future we should allow all code that has been developed
> for the classes to be accessible on the web site with a link given to the
> class specific. The idea is that we don't want to just provide basics and
> flash some code. We want the code to be accessible and through the mailing
> list, IRC, open hacks, and the website we can extend support and there by
> grow the community when people leave the class.
>
> In the next officer meeting, lets look into what it would take for a
> storage locker of code for projects.
>
> -Will C
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For people that don't know. That is a 32 bit arduino. Combined with LUFA,
>> that is one sexy project board. For classes I would say that board is over
>> kill. For 90% of projects that have arduino attached to it, that board is
>> over kill. Needless to say, if you love arduino get it!
>>
>> -Will C
>> On Nov 10, 2012 1:16 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As if we didn't have enough last night,  here is another option for
>>> Arduino in a breadboard for the classes...
>>>
>>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/hackaday/LgoM/~3/TLvEx88bIZE/
>>>
>>> JSR /
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>
>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>>
>>>
>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 22:12:30 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:12:30 -0500
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Github for classes is a terrible idea. Why? People want to see that exact
code and github is not what I rank high in user friendlyness. You must
consider that most people prior to Microsoft showing the downloads folder
in the explorer window would ask "I downloaded the file, but I can't find
where it is." I don't really want those people trying to spend time trying
to figure out how to use github.

What I am proposing is that a link would be posted on the calendar so
people click there, go to the event, then find a link where the code is
held. One must think like someone that wants to learn but has next to no
idea what they are doing.

-Will C


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Jeffrey Minton
<jeffrey.minton at gmail.com>wrote:

> Don't we already have a GitHub account? If not I would suggest that for
> storing code. If we need one I can make it.
>
> Jeff
> On Nov 10, 2012 10:49 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Figures... the topic that never dies just got some press by hackady.
>> Yes.... a single chip arduino is the cheapest arduino solution. However, I
>> posted today was this alternative that I believe is as cheap as it gets.
>> http://hackaday.com/2012/11/10/the-ultimate-low-cost-dev-board/
>>
>> Additionally, I am proposing something for arduino classes in the future.
>>
>>    - The class Mitch ran was amazing in the response, it would be good
>>    to teach soldering and basic prototyping and should be repeated WHEN
>>    applicable.
>>    - For classes with a group that focuses on the teaching basic
>>    programming and prototyping for lesser skill and less enthusiastic
>>    audiences, board duino pre-built seems like the best solution (with the
>>    option for people to bring in their own arduino).
>>    - For any type of hacking the space will run, to keep costs down I
>>    recommend pushing a design like the shrimp. Why? It's cheap and gets the
>>    job done which is the point of a true hacker.
>>
>> Final mention, do we have a data locker or a way host code that has been
>> completed? In the future we should allow all code that has been developed
>> for the classes to be accessible on the web site with a link given to the
>> class specific. The idea is that we don't want to just provide basics and
>> flash some code. We want the code to be accessible and through the mailing
>> list, IRC, open hacks, and the website we can extend support and there by
>> grow the community when people leave the class.
>>
>> In the next officer meeting, lets look into what it would take for a
>> storage locker of code for projects.
>>
>> -Will C
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For people that don't know. That is a 32 bit arduino. Combined with
>>> LUFA, that is one sexy project board. For classes I would say that board is
>>> over kill. For 90% of projects that have arduino attached to it, that board
>>> is over kill. Needless to say, if you love arduino get it!
>>>
>>> -Will C
>>> On Nov 10, 2012 1:16 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As if we didn't have enough last night,  here is another option for
>>>> Arduino in a breadboard for the classes...
>>>>
>>>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/hackaday/LgoM/~3/TLvEx88bIZE/
>>>>
>>>> JSR /
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>>
>>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>
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>>
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From whatever at taggers.org  Sat Nov 10 22:28:02 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:28:02 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Gambeling hacks and this months forum
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yeah i can't even imagine coming up with more then one topic a month.

On 11/10/2012 9:48 PM, Jared Steckel wrote:
> So once a month as opposed to weekly? Makes sense, might be difficult 
> to keep up with.
>
> J (mobile)
>
> On Nov 10, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Jonas Wood <jonaswood1 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:jonaswood1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Wondering if anyones into the casino thing. Wether anyone wants to go 
>> together and try some powerball hack I worked up
>>
>> Also planning on running the forum the last Thursday of the month
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2012 4:08 PM, "Rob Roschewsk" <rob at pabut.org 
>> <mailto:rob at pabut.org>> wrote:
>> _______________________________________________
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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 22:28:44 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:28:44 -0500
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Its fairly easy for us to make a link that will let someone download a zip
file of the code straight from GitHub. They don't need to know anything
about using GitHub. It let's us keep versioned code and let people download
it from a centralized location.

Jeff
On Nov 10, 2012 11:12 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> Github for classes is a terrible idea. Why? People want to see that exact
> code and github is not what I rank high in user friendlyness. You must
> consider that most people prior to Microsoft showing the downloads folder
> in the explorer window would ask "I downloaded the file, but I can't find
> where it is." I don't really want those people trying to spend time trying
> to figure out how to use github.
>
> What I am proposing is that a link would be posted on the calendar so
> people click there, go to the event, then find a link where the code is
> held. One must think like someone that wants to learn but has next to no
> idea what they are doing.
>
> -Will C
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Jeffrey Minton <jeffrey.minton at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Don't we already have a GitHub account? If not I would suggest that for
>> storing code. If we need one I can make it.
>>
>> Jeff
>> On Nov 10, 2012 10:49 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Figures... the topic that never dies just got some press by hackady.
>>> Yes.... a single chip arduino is the cheapest arduino solution. However, I
>>> posted today was this alternative that I believe is as cheap as it gets.
>>> http://hackaday.com/2012/11/10/the-ultimate-low-cost-dev-board/
>>>
>>> Additionally, I am proposing something for arduino classes in the
>>> future.
>>>
>>>    - The class Mitch ran was amazing in the response, it would be good
>>>    to teach soldering and basic prototyping and should be repeated WHEN
>>>    applicable.
>>>    - For classes with a group that focuses on the teaching basic
>>>    programming and prototyping for lesser skill and less enthusiastic
>>>    audiences, board duino pre-built seems like the best solution (with the
>>>    option for people to bring in their own arduino).
>>>    - For any type of hacking the space will run, to keep costs down I
>>>    recommend pushing a design like the shrimp. Why? It's cheap and gets the
>>>    job done which is the point of a true hacker.
>>>
>>> Final mention, do we have a data locker or a way host code that has been
>>> completed? In the future we should allow all code that has been developed
>>> for the classes to be accessible on the web site with a link given to the
>>> class specific. The idea is that we don't want to just provide basics and
>>> flash some code. We want the code to be accessible and through the mailing
>>> list, IRC, open hacks, and the website we can extend support and there by
>>> grow the community when people leave the class.
>>>
>>> In the next officer meeting, lets look into what it would take for a
>>> storage locker of code for projects.
>>>
>>> -Will C
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For people that don't know. That is a 32 bit arduino. Combined with
>>>> LUFA, that is one sexy project board. For classes I would say that board is
>>>> over kill. For 90% of projects that have arduino attached to it, that board
>>>> is over kill. Needless to say, if you love arduino get it!
>>>>
>>>> -Will C
>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 1:16 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As if we didn't have enough last night,  here is another option for
>>>>> Arduino in a breadboard for the classes...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/hackaday/LgoM/~3/TLvEx88bIZE/
>>>>>
>>>>> JSR /
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>>>
>>>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 22:42:01 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:42:01 -0500
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I don't care how easy it may seem, the truth is people want to see pictures
of something they did and a link below. After years of working in IT as
side jobs getting through school, the concept of getting code from a
different website than the website directly associated with a place has
confused people. It's the reason why Microsoft had to put drivers on it's
own site instead of people going to the manufacturer.

However... github internally for the space is amazing for keeping everyone
on the same page so I am up for github from that perspective. I would
propose development be done but once it's used in a class, we lock it and
release it for a class by class basis (yes... people will think their class
was different and special than other classes).

-Will C

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Jeffrey Minton
<jeffrey.minton at gmail.com>wrote:

> Its fairly easy for us to make a link that will let someone download a zip
> file of the code straight from GitHub. They don't need to know anything
> about using GitHub. It let's us keep versioned code and let people download
> it from a centralized location.
>
> Jeff
> On Nov 10, 2012 11:12 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Github for classes is a terrible idea. Why? People want to see that exact
>> code and github is not what I rank high in user friendlyness. You must
>> consider that most people prior to Microsoft showing the downloads folder
>> in the explorer window would ask "I downloaded the file, but I can't find
>> where it is." I don't really want those people trying to spend time trying
>> to figure out how to use github.
>>
>> What I am proposing is that a link would be posted on the calendar so
>> people click there, go to the event, then find a link where the code is
>> held. One must think like someone that wants to learn but has next to no
>> idea what they are doing.
>>
>> -Will C
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Jeffrey Minton <
>> jeffrey.minton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Don't we already have a GitHub account? If not I would suggest that for
>>> storing code. If we need one I can make it.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> On Nov 10, 2012 10:49 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Figures... the topic that never dies just got some press by hackady.
>>>> Yes.... a single chip arduino is the cheapest arduino solution. However, I
>>>> posted today was this alternative that I believe is as cheap as it gets.
>>>> http://hackaday.com/2012/11/10/the-ultimate-low-cost-dev-board/
>>>>
>>>> Additionally, I am proposing something for arduino classes in the
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>>    - The class Mitch ran was amazing in the response, it would be good
>>>>    to teach soldering and basic prototyping and should be repeated WHEN
>>>>    applicable.
>>>>    - For classes with a group that focuses on the teaching basic
>>>>    programming and prototyping for lesser skill and less enthusiastic
>>>>    audiences, board duino pre-built seems like the best solution (with the
>>>>    option for people to bring in their own arduino).
>>>>    - For any type of hacking the space will run, to keep costs down I
>>>>    recommend pushing a design like the shrimp. Why? It's cheap and gets the
>>>>    job done which is the point of a true hacker.
>>>>
>>>> Final mention, do we have a data locker or a way host code that has
>>>> been completed? In the future we should allow all code that has been
>>>> developed for the classes to be accessible on the web site with a link
>>>> given to the class specific. The idea is that we don't want to just provide
>>>> basics and flash some code. We want the code to be accessible and through
>>>> the mailing list, IRC, open hacks, and the website we can extend support
>>>> and there by grow the community when people leave the class.
>>>>
>>>> In the next officer meeting, lets look into what it would take for a
>>>> storage locker of code for projects.
>>>>
>>>> -Will C
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For people that don't know. That is a 32 bit arduino. Combined with
>>>>> LUFA, that is one sexy project board. For classes I would say that board is
>>>>> over kill. For 90% of projects that have arduino attached to it, that board
>>>>> is over kill. Needless to say, if you love arduino get it!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Will C
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 1:16 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As if we didn't have enough last night,  here is another option for
>>>>>> Arduino in a breadboard for the classes...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/hackaday/LgoM/~3/TLvEx88bIZE/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JSR /
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>>>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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We do have a github org set up.  Josiah, Ellis and I are owners and could set someone up with whatever they need.

Do you have a suggested alternative Will?

J (mobile)

On Nov 10, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't care how easy it may seem, the truth is people want to see pictures of something they did and a link below. After years of working in IT as side jobs getting through school, the concept of getting code from a different website than the website directly associated with a place has confused people. It's the reason why Microsoft had to put drivers on it's own site instead of people going to the manufacturer. 
> 
> However... github internally for the space is amazing for keeping everyone on the same page so I am up for github from that perspective. I would propose development be done but once it's used in a class, we lock it and release it for a class by class basis (yes... people will think their class was different and special than other classes). 
> 
> -Will C
> 
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Jeffrey Minton <jeffrey.minton at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Its fairly easy for us to make a link that will let someone download a zip file of the code straight from GitHub. They don't need to know anything about using GitHub. It let's us keep versioned code and let people download it from a centralized location.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2012 11:12 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Github for classes is a terrible idea. Why? People want to see that exact code and github is not what I rank high in user friendlyness. You must consider that most people prior to Microsoft showing the downloads folder in the explorer window would ask "I downloaded the file, but I can't find where it is." I don't really want those people trying to spend time trying to figure out how to use github. 
>>> 
>>> What I am proposing is that a link would be posted on the calendar so people click there, go to the event, then find a link where the code is held. One must think like someone that wants to learn but has next to no idea what they are doing. 
>>> 
>>> -Will C
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Jeffrey Minton <jeffrey.minton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Don't we already have a GitHub account? If not I would suggest that for storing code. If we need one I can make it.
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 10:49 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Figures... the topic that never dies just got some press by hackady. Yes.... a single chip arduino is the cheapest arduino solution. However, I posted today was this alternative that I believe is as cheap as it gets. http://hackaday.com/2012/11/10/the-ultimate-low-cost-dev-board/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Additionally, I am proposing something for arduino classes in the future. 
>>>>> The class Mitch ran was amazing in the response, it would be good to teach soldering and basic prototyping and should be repeated WHEN applicable. 
>>>>> For classes with a group that focuses on the teaching basic programming and prototyping for lesser skill and less enthusiastic audiences, board duino pre-built seems like the best solution (with the option for people to bring in their own arduino). 
>>>>> For any type of hacking the space will run, to keep costs down I recommend pushing a design like the shrimp. Why? It's cheap and gets the job done which is the point of a true hacker. 
>>>>> Final mention, do we have a data locker or a way host code that has been completed? In the future we should allow all code that has been developed for the classes to be accessible on the web site with a link given to the class specific. The idea is that we don't want to just provide basics and flash some code. We want the code to be accessible and through the mailing list, IRC, open hacks, and the website we can extend support and there by grow the community when people leave the class.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the next officer meeting, lets look into what it would take for a storage locker of code for projects. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Will C
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> For people that don't know. That is a 32 bit arduino. Combined with LUFA, that is one sexy project board. For classes I would say that board is over kill. For 90% of projects that have arduino attached to it, that board is over kill. Needless to say, if you love arduino get it!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Will C
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 1:16 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> As if we didn't have enough last night,  here is another option for Arduino in a breadboard for the classes...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/hackaday/LgoM/~3/TLvEx88bIZE/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> JSR /
>>>>>>> 
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From josiah.ritchie at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 10:38:07 2012
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Seems like a tag for each class in github that we could export to a
download able zip to add to a collection of class resources would fit the
bill. Am I missing an objective?

JSR /
On Nov 11, 2012 11:20 AM, "Jared Steckel" <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> We do have a github org set up.  Josiah, Ellis and I are owners and could
> set someone up with whatever they need.
>
> Do you have a suggested alternative Will?
>
> J (mobile)
>
> On Nov 10, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't care how easy it may seem, the truth is people want to see
> pictures of something they did and a link below. After years of working in
> IT as side jobs getting through school, the concept of getting code from a
> different website than the website directly associated with a place has
> confused people. It's the reason why Microsoft had to put drivers on it's
> own site instead of people going to the manufacturer.
>
> However... github internally for the space is amazing for keeping everyone
> on the same page so I am up for github from that perspective. I would
> propose development be done but once it's used in a class, we lock it and
> release it for a class by class basis (yes... people will think their class
> was different and special than other classes).
>
> -Will C
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Jeffrey Minton <jeffrey.minton at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Its fairly easy for us to make a link that will let someone download a
>> zip file of the code straight from GitHub. They don't need to know anything
>> about using GitHub. It let's us keep versioned code and let people download
>> it from a centralized location.
>>
>> Jeff
>> On Nov 10, 2012 11:12 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Github for classes is a terrible idea. Why? People want to see that
>>> exact code and github is not what I rank high in user friendlyness. You
>>> must consider that most people prior to Microsoft showing the downloads
>>> folder in the explorer window would ask "I downloaded the file, but I can't
>>> find where it is." I don't really want those people trying to spend time
>>> trying to figure out how to use github.
>>>
>>> What I am proposing is that a link would be posted on the calendar so
>>> people click there, go to the event, then find a link where the code is
>>> held. One must think like someone that wants to learn but has next to no
>>> idea what they are doing.
>>>
>>> -Will C
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Jeffrey Minton <
>>> jeffrey.minton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't we already have a GitHub account? If not I would suggest that for
>>>> storing code. If we need one I can make it.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 10:49 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Figures... the topic that never dies just got some press by hackady.
>>>>> Yes.... a single chip arduino is the cheapest arduino solution. However, I
>>>>> posted today was this alternative that I believe is as cheap as it gets.
>>>>> http://hackaday.com/2012/11/10/the-ultimate-low-cost-dev-board/
>>>>>
>>>>> Additionally, I am proposing something for arduino classes in the
>>>>> future.
>>>>>
>>>>>    - The class Mitch ran was amazing in the response, it would be
>>>>>    good to teach soldering and basic prototyping and should be repeated WHEN
>>>>>    applicable.
>>>>>    - For classes with a group that focuses on the teaching basic
>>>>>    programming and prototyping for lesser skill and less enthusiastic
>>>>>    audiences, board duino pre-built seems like the best solution (with the
>>>>>    option for people to bring in their own arduino).
>>>>>    - For any type of hacking the space will run, to keep costs down I
>>>>>    recommend pushing a design like the shrimp. Why? It's cheap and gets the
>>>>>    job done which is the point of a true hacker.
>>>>>
>>>>> Final mention, do we have a data locker or a way host code that has
>>>>> been completed? In the future we should allow all code that has been
>>>>> developed for the classes to be accessible on the web site with a link
>>>>> given to the class specific. The idea is that we don't want to just provide
>>>>> basics and flash some code. We want the code to be accessible and through
>>>>> the mailing list, IRC, open hacks, and the website we can extend support
>>>>> and there by grow the community when people leave the class.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the next officer meeting, lets look into what it would take for a
>>>>> storage locker of code for projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Will C
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For people that don't know. That is a 32 bit arduino. Combined with
>>>>>> LUFA, that is one sexy project board. For classes I would say that board is
>>>>>> over kill. For 90% of projects that have arduino attached to it, that board
>>>>>> is over kill. Needless to say, if you love arduino get it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Will C
>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 1:16 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As if we didn't have enough last night,  here is another option for
>>>>>>> Arduino in a breadboard for the classes...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/hackaday/LgoM/~3/TLvEx88bIZE/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JSR /
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
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I agree that github is the answer so far, and exposure to the real world tools is good whether or not they are completely idiot proof.

J (mobile)

On Nov 11, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah.ritchie at gmail.com> wrote:

> Seems like a tag for each class in github that we could export to a download able zip to add to a collection of class resources would fit the bill. Am I missing an objective?
> 
> JSR /
> 
> On Nov 11, 2012 11:20 AM, "Jared Steckel" <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>> We do have a github org set up.  Josiah, Ellis and I are owners and could set someone up with whatever they need.
>> 
>> Do you have a suggested alternative Will?
>> 
>> J (mobile)
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't care how easy it may seem, the truth is people want to see pictures of something they did and a link below. After years of working in IT as side jobs getting through school, the concept of getting code from a different website than the website directly associated with a place has confused people. It's the reason why Microsoft had to put drivers on it's own site instead of people going to the manufacturer. 
>>> 
>>> However... github internally for the space is amazing for keeping everyone on the same page so I am up for github from that perspective. I would propose development be done but once it's used in a class, we lock it and release it for a class by class basis (yes... people will think their class was different and special than other classes). 
>>> 
>>> -Will C
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Jeffrey Minton <jeffrey.minton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Its fairly easy for us to make a link that will let someone download a zip file of the code straight from GitHub. They don't need to know anything about using GitHub. It let's us keep versioned code and let people download it from a centralized location.
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 11:12 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Github for classes is a terrible idea. Why? People want to see that exact code and github is not what I rank high in user friendlyness. You must consider that most people prior to Microsoft showing the downloads folder in the explorer window would ask "I downloaded the file, but I can't find where it is." I don't really want those people trying to spend time trying to figure out how to use github. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> What I am proposing is that a link would be posted on the calendar so people click there, go to the event, then find a link where the code is held. One must think like someone that wants to learn but has next to no idea what they are doing. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Will C
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Jeffrey Minton <jeffrey.minton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Don't we already have a GitHub account? If not I would suggest that for storing code. If we need one I can make it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 10:49 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Figures... the topic that never dies just got some press by hackady. Yes.... a single chip arduino is the cheapest arduino solution. However, I posted today was this alternative that I believe is as cheap as it gets. http://hackaday.com/2012/11/10/the-ultimate-low-cost-dev-board/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Additionally, I am proposing something for arduino classes in the future. 
>>>>>>> The class Mitch ran was amazing in the response, it would be good to teach soldering and basic prototyping and should be repeated WHEN applicable. 
>>>>>>> For classes with a group that focuses on the teaching basic programming and prototyping for lesser skill and less enthusiastic audiences, board duino pre-built seems like the best solution (with the option for people to bring in their own arduino). 
>>>>>>> For any type of hacking the space will run, to keep costs down I recommend pushing a design like the shrimp. Why? It's cheap and gets the job done which is the point of a true hacker. 
>>>>>>> Final mention, do we have a data locker or a way host code that has been completed? In the future we should allow all code that has been developed for the classes to be accessible on the web site with a link given to the class specific. The idea is that we don't want to just provide basics and flash some code. We want the code to be accessible and through the mailing list, IRC, open hacks, and the website we can extend support and there by grow the community when people leave the class.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In the next officer meeting, lets look into what it would take for a storage locker of code for projects. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Will C
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> For people that don't know. That is a 32 bit arduino. Combined with LUFA, that is one sexy project board. For classes I would say that board is over kill. For 90% of projects that have arduino attached to it, that board is over kill. Needless to say, if you love arduino get it!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Will C
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 1:16 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> As if we didn't have enough last night,  here is another option for Arduino in a breadboard for the classes...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/hackaday/LgoM/~3/TLvEx88bIZE/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> JSR /
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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I am looking into if it is possible to also have direct downloads to tagged
releases on GitHub so that we could link to them in our site

Jeff
On Nov 11, 2012 11:49 AM, "Jared Steckel" <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> I agree that github is the answer so far, and exposure to the real world
> tools is good whether or not they are completely idiot proof.
>
> J (mobile)
>
> On Nov 11, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah.ritchie at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Seems like a tag for each class in github that we could export to a
> download able zip to add to a collection of class resources would fit the
> bill. Am I missing an objective?
>
> JSR /
> On Nov 11, 2012 11:20 AM, "Jared Steckel" <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>
>> We do have a github org set up.  Josiah, Ellis and I are owners and could
>> set someone up with whatever they need.
>>
>> Do you have a suggested alternative Will?
>>
>> J (mobile)
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't care how easy it may seem, the truth is people want to see
>> pictures of something they did and a link below. After years of working in
>> IT as side jobs getting through school, the concept of getting code from a
>> different website than the website directly associated with a place has
>> confused people. It's the reason why Microsoft had to put drivers on it's
>> own site instead of people going to the manufacturer.
>>
>> However... github internally for the space is amazing for keeping
>> everyone on the same page so I am up for github from that perspective. I
>> would propose development be done but once it's used in a class, we lock it
>> and release it for a class by class basis (yes... people will think their
>> class was different and special than other classes).
>>
>> -Will C
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Jeffrey Minton <
>> jeffrey.minton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Its fairly easy for us to make a link that will let someone download a
>>> zip file of the code straight from GitHub. They don't need to know anything
>>> about using GitHub. It let's us keep versioned code and let people download
>>> it from a centralized location.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> On Nov 10, 2012 11:12 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Github for classes is a terrible idea. Why? People want to see that
>>>> exact code and github is not what I rank high in user friendlyness. You
>>>> must consider that most people prior to Microsoft showing the downloads
>>>> folder in the explorer window would ask "I downloaded the file, but I can't
>>>> find where it is." I don't really want those people trying to spend time
>>>> trying to figure out how to use github.
>>>>
>>>> What I am proposing is that a link would be posted on the calendar so
>>>> people click there, go to the event, then find a link where the code is
>>>> held. One must think like someone that wants to learn but has next to no
>>>> idea what they are doing.
>>>>
>>>> -Will C
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Jeffrey Minton <
>>>> jeffrey.minton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Don't we already have a GitHub account? If not I would suggest that
>>>>> for storing code. If we need one I can make it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 10:49 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Figures... the topic that never dies just got some press by hackady.
>>>>>> Yes.... a single chip arduino is the cheapest arduino solution. However, I
>>>>>> posted today was this alternative that I believe is as cheap as it gets.
>>>>>> http://hackaday.com/2012/11/10/the-ultimate-low-cost-dev-board/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Additionally, I am proposing something for arduino classes in the
>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - The class Mitch ran was amazing in the response, it would be
>>>>>>    good to teach soldering and basic prototyping and should be repeated WHEN
>>>>>>    applicable.
>>>>>>    - For classes with a group that focuses on the teaching basic
>>>>>>    programming and prototyping for lesser skill and less enthusiastic
>>>>>>    audiences, board duino pre-built seems like the best solution (with the
>>>>>>    option for people to bring in their own arduino).
>>>>>>    - For any type of hacking the space will run, to keep costs down
>>>>>>    I recommend pushing a design like the shrimp. Why? It's cheap and gets the
>>>>>>    job done which is the point of a true hacker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Final mention, do we have a data locker or a way host code that has
>>>>>> been completed? In the future we should allow all code that has been
>>>>>> developed for the classes to be accessible on the web site with a link
>>>>>> given to the class specific. The idea is that we don't want to just provide
>>>>>> basics and flash some code. We want the code to be accessible and through
>>>>>> the mailing list, IRC, open hacks, and the website we can extend support
>>>>>> and there by grow the community when people leave the class.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the next officer meeting, lets look into what it would take for a
>>>>>> storage locker of code for projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Will C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For people that don't know. That is a 32 bit arduino. Combined with
>>>>>>> LUFA, that is one sexy project board. For classes I would say that board is
>>>>>>> over kill. For 90% of projects that have arduino attached to it, that board
>>>>>>> is over kill. Needless to say, if you love arduino get it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Will C
>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 1:16 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As if we didn't have enough last night,  here is another option for
>>>>>>>> Arduino in a breadboard for the classes...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/hackaday/LgoM/~3/TLvEx88bIZE/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JSR /
>>>>>>>>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 00:50:46 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:50:46 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV]
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All I know is that no matter how the code is shared after a class, 2 things
need to be apparent.

1) No modifications can be made to the code. When people download the code,
they should expect to see EXACTLY what they did in the class. So if
something is misspelled or a comment is missing in the class when it was
demonstrated, it should archived as such. This is an issue with teaching
concepts to people that just want to get up and running on their own after
being originally exposed.

2) While I can speak from experience that working with version control and
understanding the ins and outs is important.... the targeted group just
learned to program (maybe) and program their microcontrollers. The mere
fact that one doesn't download code is enough to confuse a new person (when
the properly terminology with version control software is "checkout"). As
long as a link can be provided and original content can be accessed, that
is all that matters. I question in the terms of binaries and other files
github is capable of storing.

-Will C


On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Jeffrey Minton
<jeffrey.minton at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am looking into if it is possible to also have direct downloads to
> tagged releases on GitHub so that we could link to them in our site
>
> Jeff
> On Nov 11, 2012 11:49 AM, "Jared Steckel" <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree that github is the answer so far, and exposure to the real world
>> tools is good whether or not they are completely idiot proof.
>>
>> J (mobile)
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah.ritchie at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Seems like a tag for each class in github that we could export to a
>> download able zip to add to a collection of class resources would fit the
>> bill. Am I missing an objective?
>>
>> JSR /
>> On Nov 11, 2012 11:20 AM, "Jared Steckel" <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We do have a github org set up.  Josiah, Ellis and I are owners and
>>> could set someone up with whatever they need.
>>>
>>> Do you have a suggested alternative Will?
>>>
>>> J (mobile)
>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't care how easy it may seem, the truth is people want to see
>>> pictures of something they did and a link below. After years of working in
>>> IT as side jobs getting through school, the concept of getting code from a
>>> different website than the website directly associated with a place has
>>> confused people. It's the reason why Microsoft had to put drivers on it's
>>> own site instead of people going to the manufacturer.
>>>
>>> However... github internally for the space is amazing for keeping
>>> everyone on the same page so I am up for github from that perspective. I
>>> would propose development be done but once it's used in a class, we lock it
>>> and release it for a class by class basis (yes... people will think their
>>> class was different and special than other classes).
>>>
>>> -Will C
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Jeffrey Minton <
>>> jeffrey.minton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Its fairly easy for us to make a link that will let someone download a
>>>> zip file of the code straight from GitHub. They don't need to know anything
>>>> about using GitHub. It let's us keep versioned code and let people download
>>>> it from a centralized location.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 11:12 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Github for classes is a terrible idea. Why? People want to see that
>>>>> exact code and github is not what I rank high in user friendlyness. You
>>>>> must consider that most people prior to Microsoft showing the downloads
>>>>> folder in the explorer window would ask "I downloaded the file, but I can't
>>>>> find where it is." I don't really want those people trying to spend time
>>>>> trying to figure out how to use github.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I am proposing is that a link would be posted on the calendar so
>>>>> people click there, go to the event, then find a link where the code is
>>>>> held. One must think like someone that wants to learn but has next to no
>>>>> idea what they are doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Will C
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Jeffrey Minton <
>>>>> jeffrey.minton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't we already have a GitHub account? If not I would suggest that
>>>>>> for storing code. If we need one I can make it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 10:49 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Figures... the topic that never dies just got some press by hackady.
>>>>>>> Yes.... a single chip arduino is the cheapest arduino solution. However, I
>>>>>>> posted today was this alternative that I believe is as cheap as it gets.
>>>>>>> http://hackaday.com/2012/11/10/the-ultimate-low-cost-dev-board/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Additionally, I am proposing something for arduino classes in the
>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - The class Mitch ran was amazing in the response, it would be
>>>>>>>    good to teach soldering and basic prototyping and should be repeated WHEN
>>>>>>>    applicable.
>>>>>>>    - For classes with a group that focuses on the teaching basic
>>>>>>>    programming and prototyping for lesser skill and less enthusiastic
>>>>>>>    audiences, board duino pre-built seems like the best solution (with the
>>>>>>>    option for people to bring in their own arduino).
>>>>>>>    - For any type of hacking the space will run, to keep costs down
>>>>>>>    I recommend pushing a design like the shrimp. Why? It's cheap and gets the
>>>>>>>    job done which is the point of a true hacker.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Final mention, do we have a data locker or a way host code that has
>>>>>>> been completed? In the future we should allow all code that has been
>>>>>>> developed for the classes to be accessible on the web site with a link
>>>>>>> given to the class specific. The idea is that we don't want to just provide
>>>>>>> basics and flash some code. We want the code to be accessible and through
>>>>>>> the mailing list, IRC, open hacks, and the website we can extend support
>>>>>>> and there by grow the community when people leave the class.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the next officer meeting, lets look into what it would take for a
>>>>>>> storage locker of code for projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Will C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For people that don't know. That is a 32 bit arduino. Combined with
>>>>>>>> LUFA, that is one sexy project board. For classes I would say that board is
>>>>>>>> over kill. For 90% of projects that have arduino attached to it, that board
>>>>>>>> is over kill. Needless to say, if you love arduino get it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Will C
>>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 1:16 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As if we didn't have enough last night,  here is another option
>>>>>>>>> for Arduino in a breadboard for the classes...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/hackaday/LgoM/~3/TLvEx88bIZE/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JSR /
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>>>>>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 01:01:59 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:01:59 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Stereo components
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Hey all,

Good news! The replacement amplifier has arrived for the space. In the
excitement of taking a look at the new amplifier.... I found a small 150
watt Rockford Fosgate stereo amp in the basement. I know Jonas was
mentioning need for another speaker system for the class room section. To
that.... I have an answer that requires another hack that has been done
multiple times (and could use a custom PCB).

To use any amplifier a pre-amplier is needed in a similar configuration to
my sound system. In high end sound systems a receiver usually performs this
function (lower end audio on home stereos have the amplifier and receiver
in a single unit) then sends a low noise signal to the amplifiers. To
perform the function on of a head unit on my stereo as a receiver  a
headphone amplifier can be built to act as a receiver.  The best headphone
amplifier out on the market that audiophiles rave about is the CMOY (
http://tangentsoft.net/audio/cmoy-tutorial/) can be produced for around
$20.

I am willing to build a new stereo system when I can, however if someone
like to expedite the project by taking ownership feel free to contact me.

-Will C.
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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 08:33:50 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:33:50 -0500
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Tagging commits on github will work very well. Once the code ois where we
want it you tag it, push the tag to github and then that tag will always
get the same version. For example this is a direct link to a tag of my
configs I keep stored on github.

https://github.com/jeffminton/configs/archive/v1.0.zip

It will direct link to a zip of the source. If changes need to be made we
tag a new version.

-Jeff


On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> All I know is that no matter how the code is shared after a class, 2
> things need to be apparent.
>
> 1) No modifications can be made to the code. When people download the
> code, they should expect to see EXACTLY what they did in the class. So if
> something is misspelled or a comment is missing in the class when it was
> demonstrated, it should archived as such. This is an issue with teaching
> concepts to people that just want to get up and running on their own after
> being originally exposed.
>
> 2) While I can speak from experience that working with version control and
> understanding the ins and outs is important.... the targeted group just
> learned to program (maybe) and program their microcontrollers. The mere
> fact that one doesn't download code is enough to confuse a new person (when
> the properly terminology with version control software is "checkout"). As
> long as a link can be provided and original content can be accessed, that
> is all that matters. I question in the terms of binaries and other files
> github is capable of storing.
>
> -Will C
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Jeffrey Minton <jeffrey.minton at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I am looking into if it is possible to also have direct downloads to
>> tagged releases on GitHub so that we could link to them in our site
>>
>> Jeff
>> On Nov 11, 2012 11:49 AM, "Jared Steckel" <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that github is the answer so far, and exposure to the real world
>>> tools is good whether or not they are completely idiot proof.
>>>
>>> J (mobile)
>>>
>>> On Nov 11, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah.ritchie at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Seems like a tag for each class in github that we could export to a
>>> download able zip to add to a collection of class resources would fit the
>>> bill. Am I missing an objective?
>>>
>>> JSR /
>>> On Nov 11, 2012 11:20 AM, "Jared Steckel" <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We do have a github org set up.  Josiah, Ellis and I are owners and
>>>> could set someone up with whatever they need.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a suggested alternative Will?
>>>>
>>>> J (mobile)
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 10, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't care how easy it may seem, the truth is people want to see
>>>> pictures of something they did and a link below. After years of working in
>>>> IT as side jobs getting through school, the concept of getting code from a
>>>> different website than the website directly associated with a place has
>>>> confused people. It's the reason why Microsoft had to put drivers on it's
>>>> own site instead of people going to the manufacturer.
>>>>
>>>> However... github internally for the space is amazing for keeping
>>>> everyone on the same page so I am up for github from that perspective. I
>>>> would propose development be done but once it's used in a class, we lock it
>>>> and release it for a class by class basis (yes... people will think their
>>>> class was different and special than other classes).
>>>>
>>>> -Will C
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Jeffrey Minton <
>>>> jeffrey.minton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Its fairly easy for us to make a link that will let someone download a
>>>>> zip file of the code straight from GitHub. They don't need to know anything
>>>>> about using GitHub. It let's us keep versioned code and let people download
>>>>> it from a centralized location.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 11:12 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Github for classes is a terrible idea. Why? People want to see that
>>>>>> exact code and github is not what I rank high in user friendlyness. You
>>>>>> must consider that most people prior to Microsoft showing the downloads
>>>>>> folder in the explorer window would ask "I downloaded the file, but I can't
>>>>>> find where it is." I don't really want those people trying to spend time
>>>>>> trying to figure out how to use github.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I am proposing is that a link would be posted on the calendar so
>>>>>> people click there, go to the event, then find a link where the code is
>>>>>> held. One must think like someone that wants to learn but has next to no
>>>>>> idea what they are doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Will C
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Jeffrey Minton <
>>>>>> jeffrey.minton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't we already have a GitHub account? If not I would suggest that
>>>>>>> for storing code. If we need one I can make it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 10:49 PM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Figures... the topic that never dies just got some press by
>>>>>>>> hackady. Yes.... a single chip arduino is the cheapest arduino solution.
>>>>>>>> However, I posted today was this alternative that I believe is as cheap as
>>>>>>>> it gets.
>>>>>>>> http://hackaday.com/2012/11/10/the-ultimate-low-cost-dev-board/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Additionally, I am proposing something for arduino classes in the
>>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    - The class Mitch ran was amazing in the response, it would be
>>>>>>>>    good to teach soldering and basic prototyping and should be repeated WHEN
>>>>>>>>    applicable.
>>>>>>>>    - For classes with a group that focuses on the teaching basic
>>>>>>>>    programming and prototyping for lesser skill and less enthusiastic
>>>>>>>>    audiences, board duino pre-built seems like the best solution (with the
>>>>>>>>    option for people to bring in their own arduino).
>>>>>>>>    - For any type of hacking the space will run, to keep costs
>>>>>>>>    down I recommend pushing a design like the shrimp. Why? It's cheap and gets
>>>>>>>>    the job done which is the point of a true hacker.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Final mention, do we have a data locker or a way host code that has
>>>>>>>> been completed? In the future we should allow all code that has been
>>>>>>>> developed for the classes to be accessible on the web site with a link
>>>>>>>> given to the class specific. The idea is that we don't want to just provide
>>>>>>>> basics and flash some code. We want the code to be accessible and through
>>>>>>>> the mailing list, IRC, open hacks, and the website we can extend support
>>>>>>>> and there by grow the community when people leave the class.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the next officer meeting, lets look into what it would take for
>>>>>>>> a storage locker of code for projects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Will C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For people that don't know. That is a 32 bit arduino. Combined
>>>>>>>>> with LUFA, that is one sexy project board. For classes I would say that
>>>>>>>>> board is over kill. For 90% of projects that have arduino attached to it,
>>>>>>>>> that board is over kill. Needless to say, if you love arduino get it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Will C
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2012 1:16 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <
>>>>>>>>> josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As if we didn't have enough last night,  here is another option
>>>>>>>>>> for Arduino in a breadboard for the classes...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/hackaday/LgoM/~3/TLvEx88bIZE/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> JSR /
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:16:51 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Da Vinci Collaboration
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Dave and Karen,

We have been discussing much at the space concerning the Arduino workshop
that you wanted to get together for the Science Center educators. We
realized that we needed to get some more info from you concerning what
topics you would like to cover at a workshop. The biggest question is if
you would rather start from a soldering raw hardware perspective or would
it be better to go the software + building circuits direction. The raw
hardware would involve soldering together boarduinos ending with loading a
small pre-made piece of code just to see how it works. The software +
building circuits approach would start with already working arduinos of
some fashion and work on bread-boarding circuits and writing programming
code. There's no reason we can't eventually cover all of this but it would
have to be done in more than one class. Let us know which approach you
think would benefit the educators more or if you would rather approach the
class from a different direction than I have mentioned here.

Thanks,

Jeff Minton

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM, David Smith <david at davincisciencecenter.org
> wrote:

> Very well!  Only two showed up in the end, but Jim did a nice job teaching
> them the basics, and they were thrilled with their blinking badges. Both of
> the students indicated that they were quite interested in coming back.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:
>
>> How'd this go?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 8:20 AM, David Smith <
>> david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Great!  It won't be a huge crowd of students - likely ~5.  I will bring
>>> a couple of soldering irons, just in case we need them.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> The pins have arrived.  (Sorry, I mean to let you all know yesterday).
>>>> See you tonight!
>>>>
>>>> -Ellis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The pins have been shipped.  Scheduled to be here *Wednesday*.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will, I hope your parents get well soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Ellis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've ordered 10 Learn to "Solder Skill Badge Kit"s from Maker Shed
>>>>>> with 3-Day delivery.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just in case, Jim left the 4 that belong to his grand kids in his
>>>>>> locker.  Anyone have 2 more spares just in case they don't ship them very
>>>>>> quickly?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Ellis
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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From karen at davincisciencecenter.org  Tue Nov 13 12:46:23 2012
From: karen at davincisciencecenter.org (Karen Knecht)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:46:23 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Da Vinci Collaboration
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Hi Jeffrey,

 

Thank you for being so thoughtful about this.  We are really excited about
the partnership.  Would you be available to talk to us about this face to
face sometime next week?  Please suggest a couple of days/times that you are
available.  If you could bring along some of the materials you are referring
to, we could make a decision and outline the flow of the session.  We will
have mostly novices in attendance at the session, so we want to make sure we
give them a good comfortable starting point.  

 

Thank you again for helping us!

Karen

 

 

Karen Knecht

Director of Education and Exhibits

 



 

3145 Hamilton Blvd. Bypass

Allentown, PA 18103

484.664.1002, Ext. 108

Fax 484.664.1002

karen at davincisciencecenter.org

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From: Jeffrey Minton [mailto:jeffrey.minton at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:17 AM
To: Build things for fun!; Karen Knecht
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Da Vinci Collaboration

 

Dave and Karen,

 

We have been discussing much at the space concerning the Arduino workshop
that you wanted to get together for the Science Center educators. We
realized that we needed to get some more info from you concerning what
topics you would like to cover at a workshop. The biggest question is if you
would rather start from a soldering raw hardware perspective or would it be
better to go the software + building circuits direction. The raw hardware
would involve soldering together boarduinos ending with loading a small
pre-made piece of code just to see how it works. The software + building
circuits approach would start with already working arduinos of some fashion
and work on bread-boarding circuits and writing programming code. There's no
reason we can't eventually cover all of this but it would have to be done in
more than one class. Let us know which approach you think would benefit the
educators more or if you would rather approach the class from a different
direction than I have mentioned here.

 

Thanks,

 

Jeff Minton

 

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM, David Smith
<david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:

Very well!  Only two showed up in the end, but Jim did a nice job teaching
them the basics, and they were thrilled with their blinking badges. Both of
the students indicated that they were quite interested in coming back.

Dave

 

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
wrote:

How'd this go? 

 

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 8:20 AM, David Smith
<david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:

Great!  It won't be a huge crowd of students - likely ~5.  I will bring a
couple of soldering irons, just in case we need them. 

Dave

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:

The pins have arrived.  (Sorry, I mean to let you all know yesterday).  See
you tonight!

-Ellis





On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:

The pins have been shipped.  Scheduled to be here Wednesday. 

 

Will, I hope your parents get well soon.


-Ellis





On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:

I've ordered 10 Learn to "Solder Skill Badge Kit"s from Maker Shed with
3-Day delivery.

 

Just in case, Jim left the 4 that belong to his grand kids in his locker.
Anyone have 2 more spares just in case they don't ship them very quickly?


-Ellis

 

 

 

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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 15:41:49 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:41:49 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Stereo components
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First of all, your response are all great points worth mentioning. What
bringing up includes the following.

1) Need, the goal is to use some amplifiers that are cheap and easily
attained. In this case, car audio amplifiers. They are robust and make for
great shop systems. The problem with these amplifiers is that a computer or
CD player just doesn't have enough power to properly drive the amps to
acceptable levels.

2) I like the Cmoy because it is basic and people can get hands on
some fundamental electronics. I'm all for a wall wart... however seeing how
the basic design for using car audio uses computer power supplies (of
which... we have quite a few at the space). Computer power supplies are
also fun because they can bring a whole host of problems to audio. Much of
the problems provide a fun learning experience that includes ferrite beads!

I do like the fact that volume controls are separate because it allows for
a space to be equalized a little better in if working with a mono signal
(it might work as basic PA system but I won't know until we try). I agree
with the comment about screwing up input impedance's with putting a pot in
the input. Ideally I would recommend putting a POT where Rg is in the
inverting configuration described here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_amplifier. That is the best way to
adjust gain on an amplifier however it will cause distortions.

3) I could give a crap about resistors. If people want to sit down and
change the resistance with a file to get perfection then have at it. I'm
fine as long as the tolerances are close (which are still inexpensive). #1
rule about audio, don't fall down the rat hole of audiophiles that point at
everything that isn't perfect to justify dumping money. (See tube
amp enthusiasts).

4) Power supplies... however for 9 volts I think we may have a problem and
would need either a 12 volt power supply line from a power supply or use a
regulator to drop down the voltage (we might be able to do something with a
resistor network pending some measurements). I know the 741's could take
those supply lines but the ones for the Cmoy, no clue and I will have to
look at the data sheet.

5) As much as cheaper alternatives are there, the nice part about the Cmoy
is that the design can be easily taught and constructed. In the end, it's
something to be proud of in terms of quality which I think is perfect for
the space.

As far as end purpose, Jonas will need to comment because I was speaking in
terms of something for the class room. I don't know what Jonas wants
exactly, he will have to let us know.

-Will C.



On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:37 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>  Looks like your basic generic inverting op-amp circuit, run off
> of batteries.  Not sure why you say we need a pre-amp.  What signals are we
> amplifying?  Do you want microphone inputs to the amp, or are you playing
> music?
> I have a few thoughts about the circuit:
>
> 1. If you are using it as a pre-amp, you shouldn't need two batteries for
> the supply.  The output doesn't need to swing that far.  If it doesn't need
> to be portable, use a plug in supply.  (Use a wall wart with some extra
> filtering caps.  You could even throw in a voltage regulator, but probably
> not needed.)
>
> 2. There are separate volume controls for each channel, but no common
> control.  Okay if not using it for stereo.  Otherwise you have to adjust
> two controls every time you change the volume.
>
>   2A. Putting the volume control on the input is wrong for a pre-amp.  It
> really messes with the input impedance.
>
> 3. In the parts discussion, he talks about using precision resistors.  If
> you want, you can use precision resistors, build the circuit, connect a
> high quality signal generator to the input, put the correct load on the
> output, and connect a dual trace oscilloscope on both the output and the
> input.  You can then adjust the volume control pot to get exactly the level
> you want at the output for a given input.  Or, you can just use cheap
> resistors, and adjust the volume to the level you like.  Your money.
>
> 4. He also talks about using better resistors to avoid problems with the
> resistance changing due to temperature.  The alternative would be to not
> build the circuit in a metal box!  Also, the output of the 9 volt batteries
> change with both temperature and age.  The power is unregulated, so this
> will have more of an effect than the resistor tolerances.
>
> 5. The recommended op-am is a very nice, rather expensive part.  If you
> are building a true audiophile quality circuit, it would be a good choice.
> If you are looking for a low cost solution, there are many better
> choices.  Heck, you could even use an audio amp IC, or is that too obvious?
>
>
>
> A few other thoughts:
>
> There are pre-amp kits out there that would probably be cheaper.  Most of
> the cost of a low cost audio circuit is in the connectors!
>
>
>
> If you really want to do this cheaply, hit up thrift stores and yard sales
> (Goodwill, Salvation Army Thrift Shop, etc.).  I was at a yard sale this
> past weekend, and there was a microphone preamp.  It was an a 4 or 8
> channel rack mount unit, and I think the guy wanted $25 bucks.  I though it
> was kind of high.  You can easily get all sorts of receivers and tape
> players for cheap.  They practically give away VHS and CD players, both of
> which have usable circuitry.
>
>
>
> R. S. James
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will **
> Sent: Nov 13, 2012 2:01 AM
> To: Build things for fun! **
> Subject: [MakeLV] Stereo components
>
> Hey all,
>
> Good news! The replacement amplifier has arrived for the space. In the
> excitement of taking a look at the new amplifier.... I found a small 150
> watt Rockford Fosgate stereo amp in the basement. I know Jonas was
> mentioning need for another speaker system for the class room section. To
> that.... I have an answer that requires another hack that has been done
> multiple times (and could use a custom PCB).
>
> To use any amplifier a pre-amplier is needed in a similar configuration to
> my sound system. In high end sound systems a receiver usually performs this
> function (lower end audio on home stereos have the amplifier and receiver
> in a single unit) then sends a low noise signal to the amplifiers. To
> perform the function on of a head unit on my stereo as a receiver  a
> headphone amplifier can be built to act as a receiver.  The best headphone
> amplifier out on the market that audiophiles rave about is the CMOY (
> http://tangentsoft.net/audio/cmoy-tutorial/) can be produced for around
> $20.
>
> I am willing to build a new stereo system when I can, however if someone
> like to expedite the project by taking ownership feel free to contact me.
>
> -Will C.
>
>
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From rsjames at ix.netcom.com  Tue Nov 13 22:49:33 2012
From: rsjames at ix.netcom.com (rsjames at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:49:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [MakeLV] Stereo components
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From: rsjames at ix.netcom.com (rsjames at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:50:08 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [MakeLV] Stereo components
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 23:04:28 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:04:28 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Stereo components
In-Reply-To: <27157502.1352868574163.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <27157502.1352868574163.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAO8063VJWDfznqJL-Hv0_57_e-WFpk_k7rffsZ42U-RDLdkimw@mail.gmail.com>

When it comes to tube amps, the only real application of them are when you
want distortion. I will admit that they tend to have some fun and
interesting distortion characteristics that are good for radio, but mostly
are amazing for guitar amps (if you listen to ZZ top and love the sounds,
you love tube guitar amps). Tube amps are great project that can be scaled
down in cost with headphone amplifiers which is another reason to go to the
Cmoy (it's the gateway audio amp drug/project).

As for a comment stated earlier... you actually do need a pre-amp for a
home stereo. The high end receivers provide the low noise amplification and
used to help with proper impedance matching for amplifiers (which are often
rack mounted). Granted for those system, when people get that serious the
speaker wire for the front two channels may cost in excess of $600. Now I
will warn everyone at the space, I don't care how much an audiophile you
are but if anyone spends over $200 for less than 24ft of wire I will slap
them. In addition, I don't want anyone at the space claiming the need for
cryogenically treated wire.

Anyway... back to the subject at hand. I will be at the space tomorrow and
I look forward to working on my stereo. I will say I need to build new
speakers so if anyone has 2 ohm or 4 ohm speakers they would like to make
temporarily available I would be most appreciative.

-Will C.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:49 PM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>
> Ah,now I understand better.  You don't need the pre-amp to feed into a
> "home" stereo amp, you need it to feed into a car amp.  Since car amps are
> designed to be driven from the output of  a car stereo, they need a lot
> more juice than your typical microphone pre-amp will drive.  Using the Cmoy
> makes a lot more sense to me now.
>
>
>
> Putting the volume control pot in place of the "Rg" in the non-inverting
> circuit is a good way to do it.  If you replace both "Rg" and "Rf" with the
> pot (connecting the wiper to the non-inverting input), you get much greater
> amplification range.  Of course, for this circuit you don't need or want
> that.  The other way to do it is to just hang the pot right off the
> output.  This works great if the impedance of what you are driving is
> substantially higher than the pot value.  That would be the case for a line
> input on a home stereo, but I'd bet that the input impedance of the car amp
> is pretty low, so probably not a good way to do it.  Another point, for
> people who aren't all that familiar with electronics, is that when you turn
> a pot all the way to one end, it has a resistance of zero - a dead short.
> Depending on the circuit, this may cause damage.  The typical solution is
> putting a resistor in series with the pot.  It is not uncommon to see pots
> with series resistors on both sides, particularly in feedback
> loops.
>
>
>
> I consider the skillful use of ferrites to be one of the Black Arts.
> Another trick with computer supplies is to use them to feed a linear supply
> circuit.  A couple of big ol' caps help to tame the high frequency
> garbage.  Add an adjustable regulator on a heat sink, and you have a handy
> variable supply.  But you will still probably need ferrites!
>
>
>
> My comments about the resistors was more in response to the writeup on the
> Cmoy.  There are a lot of things about that circuit that have a greater
> effect on the output than the resistor tolerences.  You are right on about
> only needing to be close and inexpensive.  I remember the days of carbon
> resistors.  A high quality circuit would use 10 percenters, maybe even a
> few 5 percenters for critical signals.  Everything else was 20
> percenters.  1% resistors were usually wire wound, and very expensive
> (compared to other resistors).  The manufacturers would make the carbon
> resistors, and then measure them to determine the tolerance.  That meant if
> you had a 10% resistor, it was off by more than 5%, otherwise it would have
> been sold a a 5% resistor.
>
>
>
> With respect to tube amps, I happen to like tube circuits.  They glow!
> Also, they keep you warm on cold days.  I can't think of any other real
> advantages.
>
>
>
> RSJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will **
> Sent: Nov 13, 2012 4:41 PM
> To: Build things for fun! **
> Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Stereo components
>
> First of all, your response are all great points worth mentioning. What
> bringing up includes the following.
>
> 1) Need, the goal is to use some amplifiers that are cheap and easily
> attained. In this case, car audio amplifiers. They are robust and make for
> great shop systems. The problem with these amplifiers is that a computer or
> CD player just doesn't have enough power to properly drive the amps to
> acceptable levels.
>
> 2) I like the Cmoy because it is basic and people can get hands on
> some fundamental electronics. I'm all for a wall wart... however seeing how
> the basic design for using car audio uses computer power supplies (of
> which... we have quite a few at the space). Computer power supplies are
> also fun because they can bring a whole host of problems to audio. Much of
> the problems provide a fun learning experience that includes ferrite beads!
>
> I do like the fact that volume controls are separate because it allows for
> a space to be equalized a little better in if working with a mono signal
> (it might work as basic PA system but I won't know until we try). I agree
> with the comment about screwing up input impedance's with putting a pot in
> the input. Ideally I would recommend putting a POT where Rg is in the
> inverting configuration described here
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_amplifier. That is the best way
> to adjust gain on an amplifier however it will cause distortions.
>
> 3) I could give a crap about resistors. If people want to sit down and
> change the resistance with a file to get perfection then have at it. I'm
> fine as long as the tolerances are close (which are still inexpensive). #1
> rule about audio, don't fall down the rat hole of audiophiles that point at
> everything that isn't perfect to justify dumping money. (See tube
> amp enthusiasts).
>
> 4) Power supplies... however for 9 volts I think we may have a problem and
> would need either a 12 volt power supply line from a power supply or use a
> regulator to drop down the voltage (we might be able to do something with a
> resistor network pending some measurements). I know the 741's could take
> those supply lines but the ones for the Cmoy, no clue and I will have to
> look at the data sheet.
>
> 5) As much as cheaper alternatives are there, the nice part about the Cmoy
> is that the design can be easily taught and constructed. In the end, it's
> something to be proud of in terms of quality which I think is perfect for
> the space.
>
> As far as end purpose, Jonas will need to comment because I was speaking
> in terms of something for the class room. I don't know what Jonas wants
> exactly, he will have to let us know.
>
> -Will C.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:37 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>   Looks like your basic generic inverting op-amp circuit, run off
>> of batteries.  Not sure why you say we need a pre-amp.  What signals are we
>> amplifying?  Do you want microphone inputs to the amp, or are you playing
>> music?
>> I have a few thoughts about the circuit:
>>
>> 1. If you are using it as a pre-amp, you shouldn't need two batteries for
>> the supply.  The output doesn't need to swing that far.  If it doesn't need
>> to be portable, use a plug in supply.  (Use a wall wart with some extra
>> filtering caps.  You could even throw in a voltage regulator, but probably
>> not needed.)
>>
>> 2. There are separate volume controls for each channel, but no common
>> control.  Okay if not using it for stereo.  Otherwise you have to adjust
>> two controls every time you change the volume.
>>
>>   2A. Putting the volume control on the input is wrong for a pre-amp.  It
>> really messes with the input impedance.
>>
>> 3. In the parts discussion, he talks about using precision resistors.  If
>> you want, you can use precision resistors, build the circuit, connect a
>> high quality signal generator to the input, put the correct load on the
>> output, and connect a dual trace oscilloscope on both the output and the
>> input.  You can then adjust the volume control pot to get exactly the level
>> you want at the output for a given input.  Or, you can just use cheap
>> resistors, and adjust the volume to the level you like.  Your money.
>>
>> 4. He also talks about using better resistors to avoid problems with the
>> resistance changing due to temperature.  The alternative would be to not
>> build the circuit in a metal box!  Also, the output of the 9 volt batteries
>> change with both temperature and age.  The power is unregulated, so this
>> will have more of an effect than the resistor tolerances.
>>
>> 5. The recommended op-am is a very nice, rather expensive part.  If you
>> are building a true audiophile quality circuit, it would be a good choice.
>> If you are looking for a low cost solution, there are many better
>> choices.  Heck, you could even use an audio amp IC, or is that too obvious?
>>
>>
>>
>> A few other thoughts:
>>
>> There are pre-amp kits out there that would probably be cheaper.  Most of
>> the cost of a low cost audio circuit is in the connectors!
>>
>>
>>
>> If you really want to do this cheaply, hit up thrift stores and yard
>> sales (Goodwill, Salvation Army Thrift Shop, etc.).  I was at a yard sale
>> this past weekend, and there was a microphone preamp.  It was an a 4 or 8
>> channel rack mount unit, and I think the guy wanted $25 bucks.  I though it
>> was kind of high.  You can easily get all sorts of receivers and tape
>> players for cheap.  They practically give away VHS and CD players, both of
>> which have usable circuitry.
>>
>>
>>
>> R. S. James
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Will **
>> Sent: Nov 13, 2012 2:01 AM
>> To: Build things for fun! **
>> Subject: [MakeLV] Stereo components
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Good news! The replacement amplifier has arrived for the space. In the
>> excitement of taking a look at the new amplifier.... I found a small 150
>> watt Rockford Fosgate stereo amp in the basement. I know Jonas was
>> mentioning need for another speaker system for the class room section. To
>> that.... I have an answer that requires another hack that has been done
>> multiple times (and could use a custom PCB).
>>
>> To use any amplifier a pre-amplier is needed in a similar configuration
>> to my sound system. In high end sound systems a receiver usually performs
>> this function (lower end audio on home stereos have the amplifier and
>> receiver in a single unit) then sends a low noise signal to the amplifiers.
>> To perform the function on of a head unit on my stereo as a receiver  a
>> headphone amplifier can be built to act as a receiver.  The best headphone
>> amplifier out on the market that audiophiles rave about is the CMOY (
>> http://tangentsoft.net/audio/cmoy-tutorial/) can be produced for around
>> $20.
>>
>> I am willing to build a new stereo system when I can, however if someone
>> like to expedite the project by taking ownership feel free to contact me.
>>
>> -Will C.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>
>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>
>>
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From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:22:45 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] [FWD: Re:  Da Vinci Collaboration]
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 15:57:05 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:57:05 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arrived
Message-ID: <CAO8063UiR=w2J1j9kWFugM2-YETFRHQXoUnzNssfWAK4knJxQA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys. Just wanted to say I am at the space already. I'm turning on the
heater right now. If some needs more immediate entry. Text me at
610-703-5468.

-Will C.
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 16:54:41 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:54:41 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Pizza!
Message-ID: <CAO8063UN6Yd=3jAovCKa=GY_RnVtm40JmivmLpOE+pPzAjsiUA@mail.gmail.com>

I ordered some pizza at the space tonight. Get it while it's hot!

-Will C.
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Nov 16 09:42:14 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:42:14 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] CRTs
Message-ID: <CANyh6Vt89ahkyEPjsrJtmrj=ZyhRkN+EvgkZw02wgx=n5-VcAQ@mail.gmail.com>

I just talked to Com-Cycle who does electronics recycling here in
Allentown. They made a change this year in pricing which means everything
has been reduced.

They will even take CRTs for free!

They are only charging for Batteries and Lamps. I'm not sure what they mean
by lamps. Batteries are 75 cents/lb.

JSR/

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From rob at pabut.org  Fri Nov 16 10:05:34 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob Roschewsk)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:05:34 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] CRTs
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6Vt89ahkyEPjsrJtmrj=ZyhRkN+EvgkZw02wgx=n5-VcAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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My guess is lamp = florescent

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> I just talked to Com-Cycle who does electronics recycling here in
> Allentown. They made a change this year in pricing which means everything
> has been reduced.
>
> They will even take CRTs for free!
>
> They are only charging for Batteries and Lamps. I'm not sure what they
> mean by lamps. Batteries are 75 cents/lb.
>
> JSR/
>
> --
>
> http://about.me/josiah
>
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From wweik at lutron.com  Fri Nov 16 10:08:54 2012
From: wweik at lutron.com (William Weik)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:08:54 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] CRTs
In-Reply-To: <CAE1O4xr6HhdQUq3PY-kqErqv3u4dSoH9TT4xG_JjadyAd7-hFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I agree with florescent they contain mecury and require special processing to be discarded. We have special areas to dump flourescent bulbs at Lutron, because they cannot go in the trash.

-Will W

From: Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Rob Roschewsk
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 11:06 AM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] CRTs

My guess is lamp = florescent
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com<mailto:josiah at josiahritchie.com>> wrote:
I just talked to Com-Cycle who does electronics recycling here in Allentown. They made a change this year in pricing which means everything has been reduced.

They will even take CRTs for free!

They are only charging for Batteries and Lamps. I'm not sure what they mean by lamps. Batteries are 75 cents/lb.

JSR/

--

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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 10:16:19 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:16:19 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] CRTs
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Why has no one said this yet.


WE CAN GET RID OF ALL THE EXTRA CRTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You're welcome,

Jeff

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 11:08 AM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:

> I agree with florescent they contain mecury and require special processing
> to be discarded. We have special areas to dump flourescent bulbs at Lutron,
> because they cannot go in the trash.****
>
> ** **
>
> -Will W****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob
> Roschewsk
> *Sent:* Friday, November 16, 2012 11:06 AM
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] CRTs****
>
> ** **
>
> My guess is lamp = florescent ****
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
> wrote:****
>
> I just talked to Com-Cycle who does electronics recycling here in
> Allentown. They made a change this year in pricing which means everything
> has been reduced. ****
>
> ** **
>
> They will even take CRTs for free!****
>
> ** **
>
> They are only charging for Batteries and Lamps. I'm not sure what they
> mean by lamps. Batteries are 75 cents/lb.****
>
> ** **
>
> JSR/
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> --
>
> http://about.me/josiah****
>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Nov 16 10:35:05 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:35:05 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] CRTs
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:-) Drop off day is Fri 9-3. at 2591 Mitchell ave. I'll be making a trip
over there on the 30th. I could load up with the ones we have on the 29th
to take over. I'll already have some other stuff if we want to pick over it
before it all goes for recycling. Josh may be interested in some of the
computer equipment. I'll have some hard drives that I've scrubbed that can
be taken. Some PC cards and printers that could have the motors harvested
from them.

I'll also have a bunch of batteries from UPSs like Tom has dropped off. I
don't know if we need any more of them, but if you want to save me some
money and take them you're welcome. :-)

JSR/


On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Jeffrey Minton
<jeffrey.minton at gmail.com>wrote:

> Why has no one said this yet.
>
>
> WE CAN GET RID OF ALL THE EXTRA CRTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> You're welcome,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 11:08 AM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with florescent they contain mecury and require special
>> processing to be discarded. We have special areas to dump flourescent bulbs
>> at Lutron, because they cannot go in the trash.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> -Will W****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
>> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob
>> Roschewsk
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 16, 2012 11:06 AM
>> *To:* Build things for fun!
>> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] CRTs****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> My guess is lamp = florescent ****
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> I just talked to Com-Cycle who does electronics recycling here in
>> Allentown. They made a change this year in pricing which means everything
>> has been reduced. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> They will even take CRTs for free!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> They are only charging for Batteries and Lamps. I'm not sure what they
>> mean by lamps. Batteries are 75 cents/lb.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> JSR/
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> --
>>
>> http://about.me/josiah****
>>
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From whatever at taggers.org  Fri Nov 16 11:13:30 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:13:30 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] CRTs
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first lets set em up to explode a can... assuming we have waivers.. :)

On 11/16/2012 11:16 AM, Jeffrey Minton wrote:
> Why has no one said this yet.
>
>
> WE CAN GET RID OF ALL THE EXTRA CRTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> You're welcome,
>
> Jeff
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 11:08 AM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com 
> <mailto:wweik at lutron.com>> wrote:
>
>     I agree with florescent they contain mecury and require special
>     processing to be discarded. We have special areas to dump
>     flourescent bulbs at Lutron, because they cannot go in the trash.
>
>     -Will W
>
>     *From:*Makelehighvalley
>     [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com
>     <mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com>] *On Behalf
>     Of *Rob Roschewsk
>     *Sent:* Friday, November 16, 2012 11:06 AM
>     *To:* Build things for fun!
>     *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] CRTs
>
>     My guess is lamp = florescent
>
>     On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Josiah Ritchie
>     <josiah at josiahritchie.com <mailto:josiah at josiahritchie.com>> wrote:
>
>     I just talked to Com-Cycle who does electronics recycling here in
>     Allentown. They made a change this year in pricing which means
>     everything has been reduced.
>
>     They will even take CRTs for free!
>
>     They are only charging for Batteries and Lamps. I'm not sure what
>     they mean by lamps. Batteries are 75 cents/lb.
>
>     JSR/
>
>     -- 
>
>     http://about.me/josiah
>
>
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From wweik at lutron.com  Fri Nov 16 11:37:56 2012
From: wweik at lutron.com (William Weik)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:37:56 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] PCB etchant tank status
Message-ID: <FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC7D8156E@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>

I know we etched some PCBs, but they had some toner mask problems. Is this fixed what is the status on this project?

-Will W

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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 11:55:55 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:55:55 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] PCB etchant tank status
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Will,

I have just gotten the etching tank to hold water. I will be testing it's
ability to hold etchant on Saturday. As far as I know, Jared is still
working on the fuser hack to do toner transfers. I am planning on trying
toner transfer with the iron again using different paper on Saturday.

-Jeff

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 12:37 PM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:

> I know we etched some PCBs, but they had some toner mask problems. Is this
> fixed what is the status on this project?****
>
> ** **
>
> -Will W****
>
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:06:09 -0700
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:09:12 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] PCB etchant tank status
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 12:19:41 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:19:41 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Stereo components
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Good news! With the help from Jordan (a new comer to the space who shows up
on open hack nights) we have a working stereo! It's on what will become the
microcontroller work bench. At this time the amp is not mounted so please
do no move the stereo system in a computer case if it can be avoided.

With that said, some proper speakers are desired at the space. Some 6x9's
would be perfect (that can run at 75watt RMS at 4 ohms or 150watt RMS at 2
ohms). I'm looking at some speakers and I will have to build new boxes. If
anyone has some speakers lying around right now and would like to donate
them temporarily please do so. What we have sounds ok but we are lacking
base (yes.... there is a sub woofer design that can be done at a later
time).

If anyone would like to use the stereo, please speak to me prior because
there is a 90% chance of failure for people to be unable to turn the system
on if they aren't given a brief introduction. Afterwards, there will be the
ability to connect any device via RCA connections or play CD's (regular
CD's and MP3 CD's).

-Will C

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> When it comes to tube amps, the only real application of them are when you
> want distortion. I will admit that they tend to have some fun and
> interesting distortion characteristics that are good for radio, but mostly
> are amazing for guitar amps (if you listen to ZZ top and love the sounds,
> you love tube guitar amps). Tube amps are great project that can be scaled
> down in cost with headphone amplifiers which is another reason to go to the
> Cmoy (it's the gateway audio amp drug/project).
>
> As for a comment stated earlier... you actually do need a pre-amp for a
> home stereo. The high end receivers provide the low noise amplification and
> used to help with proper impedance matching for amplifiers (which are often
> rack mounted). Granted for those system, when people get that serious the
> speaker wire for the front two channels may cost in excess of $600. Now I
> will warn everyone at the space, I don't care how much an audiophile you
> are but if anyone spends over $200 for less than 24ft of wire I will slap
> them. In addition, I don't want anyone at the space claiming the need for
> cryogenically treated wire.
>
> Anyway... back to the subject at hand. I will be at the space tomorrow and
> I look forward to working on my stereo. I will say I need to build new
> speakers so if anyone has 2 ohm or 4 ohm speakers they would like to make
> temporarily available I would be most appreciative.
>
> -Will C.
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:49 PM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ah,now I understand better.  You don't need the pre-amp to feed into a
>> "home" stereo amp, you need it to feed into a car amp.  Since car amps are
>> designed to be driven from the output of  a car stereo, they need a lot
>> more juice than your typical microphone pre-amp will drive.  Using the Cmoy
>> makes a lot more sense to me now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Putting the volume control pot in place of the "Rg" in the non-inverting
>> circuit is a good way to do it.  If you replace both "Rg" and "Rf" with the
>> pot (connecting the wiper to the non-inverting input), you get much greater
>> amplification range.  Of course, for this circuit you don't need or want
>> that.  The other way to do it is to just hang the pot right off the
>> output.  This works great if the impedance of what you are driving is
>> substantially higher than the pot value.  That would be the case for a line
>> input on a home stereo, but I'd bet that the input impedance of the car amp
>> is pretty low, so probably not a good way to do it.  Another point, for
>> people who aren't all that familiar with electronics, is that when you turn
>> a pot all the way to one end, it has a resistance of zero - a dead short.
>> Depending on the circuit, this may cause damage.  The typical solution is
>> putting a resistor in series with the pot.  It is not uncommon to see pots
>> with series resistors on both sides, particularly in feedback
>> loops.
>>
>>
>>
>> I consider the skillful use of ferrites to be one of the Black Arts.
>> Another trick with computer supplies is to use them to feed a linear supply
>> circuit.  A couple of big ol' caps help to tame the high frequency
>> garbage.  Add an adjustable regulator on a heat sink, and you have a handy
>> variable supply.  But you will still probably need ferrites!
>>
>>
>>
>> My comments about the resistors was more in response to the writeup on
>> the Cmoy.  There are a lot of things about that circuit that have a greater
>> effect on the output than the resistor tolerences.  You are right on about
>> only needing to be close and inexpensive.  I remember the days of carbon
>> resistors.  A high quality circuit would use 10 percenters, maybe even a
>> few 5 percenters for critical signals.  Everything else was 20
>> percenters.  1% resistors were usually wire wound, and very expensive
>> (compared to other resistors).  The manufacturers would make the carbon
>> resistors, and then measure them to determine the tolerance.  That meant if
>> you had a 10% resistor, it was off by more than 5%, otherwise it would have
>> been sold a a 5% resistor.
>>
>>
>>
>> With respect to tube amps, I happen to like tube circuits.  They glow!
>> Also, they keep you warm on cold days.  I can't think of any other real
>> advantages.
>>
>>
>>
>> RSJ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Will **
>> Sent: Nov 13, 2012 4:41 PM
>> To: Build things for fun! **
>> Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Stereo components
>>
>> First of all, your response are all great points worth mentioning. What
>> bringing up includes the following.
>>
>> 1) Need, the goal is to use some amplifiers that are cheap and easily
>> attained. In this case, car audio amplifiers. They are robust and make for
>> great shop systems. The problem with these amplifiers is that a computer or
>> CD player just doesn't have enough power to properly drive the amps to
>> acceptable levels.
>>
>> 2) I like the Cmoy because it is basic and people can get hands on
>> some fundamental electronics. I'm all for a wall wart... however seeing how
>> the basic design for using car audio uses computer power supplies (of
>> which... we have quite a few at the space). Computer power supplies are
>> also fun because they can bring a whole host of problems to audio. Much of
>> the problems provide a fun learning experience that includes ferrite beads!
>>
>> I do like the fact that volume controls are separate because it allows
>> for a space to be equalized a little better in if working with a mono
>> signal (it might work as basic PA system but I won't know until we try). I
>> agree with the comment about screwing up input impedance's with putting a
>> pot in the input. Ideally I would recommend putting a POT where Rg is in
>> the inverting configuration described here
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_amplifier. That is the best way
>> to adjust gain on an amplifier however it will cause distortions.
>>
>> 3) I could give a crap about resistors. If people want to sit down and
>> change the resistance with a file to get perfection then have at it. I'm
>> fine as long as the tolerances are close (which are still inexpensive). #1
>> rule about audio, don't fall down the rat hole of audiophiles that point at
>> everything that isn't perfect to justify dumping money. (See tube
>> amp enthusiasts).
>>
>> 4) Power supplies... however for 9 volts I think we may have a problem
>> and would need either a 12 volt power supply line from a power supply or
>> use a regulator to drop down the voltage (we might be able to do something
>> with a resistor network pending some measurements). I know the 741's could
>> take those supply lines but the ones for the Cmoy, no clue and I will have
>> to look at the data sheet.
>>
>> 5) As much as cheaper alternatives are there, the nice part about the
>> Cmoy is that the design can be easily taught and constructed. In the end,
>> it's something to be proud of in terms of quality which I think is perfect
>> for the space.
>>
>> As far as end purpose, Jonas will need to comment because I was speaking
>> in terms of something for the class room. I don't know what Jonas wants
>> exactly, he will have to let us know.
>>
>> -Will C.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:37 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>>   Looks like your basic generic inverting op-amp circuit, run off
>>> of batteries.  Not sure why you say we need a pre-amp.  What signals are we
>>> amplifying?  Do you want microphone inputs to the amp, or are you playing
>>> music?
>>> I have a few thoughts about the circuit:
>>>
>>> 1. If you are using it as a pre-amp, you shouldn't need two batteries
>>> for the supply.  The output doesn't need to swing that far.  If it doesn't
>>> need to be portable, use a plug in supply.  (Use a wall wart with some
>>> extra filtering caps.  You could even throw in a voltage regulator, but
>>> probably not needed.)
>>>
>>> 2. There are separate volume controls for each channel, but no common
>>> control.  Okay if not using it for stereo.  Otherwise you have to adjust
>>> two controls every time you change the volume.
>>>
>>>   2A. Putting the volume control on the input is wrong for a pre-amp.
>>> It really messes with the input impedance.
>>>
>>> 3. In the parts discussion, he talks about using precision resistors.
>>> If you want, you can use precision resistors, build the circuit, connect a
>>> high quality signal generator to the input, put the correct load on the
>>> output, and connect a dual trace oscilloscope on both the output and the
>>> input.  You can then adjust the volume control pot to get exactly the level
>>> you want at the output for a given input.  Or, you can just use cheap
>>> resistors, and adjust the volume to the level you like.  Your money.
>>>
>>> 4. He also talks about using better resistors to avoid problems with the
>>> resistance changing due to temperature.  The alternative would be to not
>>> build the circuit in a metal box!  Also, the output of the 9 volt batteries
>>> change with both temperature and age.  The power is unregulated, so this
>>> will have more of an effect than the resistor tolerances.
>>>
>>> 5. The recommended op-am is a very nice, rather expensive part.  If you
>>> are building a true audiophile quality circuit, it would be a good choice.
>>> If you are looking for a low cost solution, there are many better
>>> choices.  Heck, you could even use an audio amp IC, or is that too obvious?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A few other thoughts:
>>>
>>> There are pre-amp kits out there that would probably be cheaper.  Most
>>> of the cost of a low cost audio circuit is in the connectors!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you really want to do this cheaply, hit up thrift stores and yard
>>> sales (Goodwill, Salvation Army Thrift Shop, etc.).  I was at a yard sale
>>> this past weekend, and there was a microphone preamp.  It was an a 4 or 8
>>> channel rack mount unit, and I think the guy wanted $25 bucks.  I though it
>>> was kind of high.  You can easily get all sorts of receivers and tape
>>> players for cheap.  They practically give away VHS and CD players, both of
>>> which have usable circuitry.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> R. S. James
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Will **
>>> Sent: Nov 13, 2012 2:01 AM
>>> To: Build things for fun! **
>>> Subject: [MakeLV] Stereo components
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> Good news! The replacement amplifier has arrived for the space. In the
>>> excitement of taking a look at the new amplifier.... I found a small 150
>>> watt Rockford Fosgate stereo amp in the basement. I know Jonas was
>>> mentioning need for another speaker system for the class room section. To
>>> that.... I have an answer that requires another hack that has been done
>>> multiple times (and could use a custom PCB).
>>>
>>> To use any amplifier a pre-amplier is needed in a similar configuration
>>> to my sound system. In high end sound systems a receiver usually performs
>>> this function (lower end audio on home stereos have the amplifier and
>>> receiver in a single unit) then sends a low noise signal to the amplifiers.
>>> To perform the function on of a head unit on my stereo as a receiver  a
>>> headphone amplifier can be built to act as a receiver.  The best headphone
>>> amplifier out on the market that audiophiles rave about is the CMOY (
>>> http://tangentsoft.net/audio/cmoy-tutorial/) can be produced for around
>>> $20.
>>>
>>> I am willing to build a new stereo system when I can, however if someone
>>> like to expedite the project by taking ownership feel free to contact me.
>>>
>>> -Will C.
>>>
>>>
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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 12:21:31 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:21:31 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] PCB etchant tank status
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Transfuser. Patent that name
On Nov 16, 2012 1:10 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> The tank is actually good to go - we'll probably be doing a very thorough
> test this Saturday.  I'm speaking for Jeff a little here but I think that's
> the status.
>
> We can currently do the toner transfer by clothes iron, which is time
> consuming and less than awesome, but it's something.  We're hoping to do a
> first complete build of our fuser-transferer (cool name needed) on Saturday
> also, which will - in theory - improve the toner/heat transfer process.  We
> shall see.
>
> We could probably accomplish an etch if you needed to do something though.
>  Will C also has the Radio Shack etching kit you might be able to use if
> you ask him nicely ;)
>
> J
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [MakeLV] PCB etchant tank status
> From: William Weik <wweik at lutron.com>
> Date: Fri, November 16, 2012 10:37 am
> To: Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>
>  I know we etched some PCBs, but they had some toner mask problems. Is
> this fixed what is the status on this project?****
> ** **
> -Will W****
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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 12:25:33 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:25:33 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] PCB etchant tank status
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Edit: trademark that name
On Nov 16, 2012 1:21 PM, "Jeffrey Minton" <jeffrey.minton at gmail.com> wrote:

> Transfuser. Patent that name
> On Nov 16, 2012 1:10 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>
>> The tank is actually good to go - we'll probably be doing a very thorough
>> test this Saturday.  I'm speaking for Jeff a little here but I think that's
>> the status.
>>
>> We can currently do the toner transfer by clothes iron, which is time
>> consuming and less than awesome, but it's something.  We're hoping to do a
>> first complete build of our fuser-transferer (cool name needed) on Saturday
>> also, which will - in theory - improve the toner/heat transfer process.  We
>> shall see.
>>
>> We could probably accomplish an etch if you needed to do something
>> though.  Will C also has the Radio Shack etching kit you might be able to
>> use if you ask him nicely ;)
>>
>> J
>>
>>  -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [MakeLV] PCB etchant tank status
>> From: William Weik <wweik at lutron.com>
>> Date: Fri, November 16, 2012 10:37 am
>> To: Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>>
>>  I know we etched some PCBs, but they had some toner mask problems. Is
>> this fixed what is the status on this project?****
>> ** **
>> -Will W****
>> ** **
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From saxywolf at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 12:12:33 2012
From: saxywolf at gmail.com (Ellis Farmer)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:12:33 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] PCB etchant tank status
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"Transfuser"?

-Ellis


On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 1:09 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> The tank is actually good to go - we'll probably be doing a very thorough
> test this Saturday.  I'm speaking for Jeff a little here but I think that's
> the status.
>
> We can currently do the toner transfer by clothes iron, which is time
> consuming and less than awesome, but it's something.  We're hoping to do a
> first complete build of our fuser-transferer (cool name needed) on Saturday
> also, which will - in theory - improve the toner/heat transfer process.  We
> shall see.
>
> We could probably accomplish an etch if you needed to do something though.
>  Will C also has the Radio Shack etching kit you might be able to use if
> you ask him nicely ;)
>
> J
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [MakeLV] PCB etchant tank status
> From: William Weik <wweik at lutron.com>
> Date: Fri, November 16, 2012 10:37 am
> To: Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>
>  I know we etched some PCBs, but they had some toner mask problems. Is
> this fixed what is the status on this project?****
> ** **
> -Will W****
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From wweik at lutron.com  Fri Nov 16 12:42:53 2012
From: wweik at lutron.com (William Weik)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:42:53 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Stereo components
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I have multiples of these available to donate if you would like some, I know its not really what your asking for but its an option.
the woofer is capable of going down to around 60hz which is pretty impressive for its size.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=270-175
http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-5-fullrange/aurasound-ns525-255-8a-5.25-paper-cone-8-ohm/

-Will W

From: Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Will
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:20 PM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Stereo components

Good news! With the help from Jordan (a new comer to the space who shows up on open hack nights) we have a working stereo! It's on what will become the microcontroller work bench. At this time the amp is not mounted so please do no move the stereo system in a computer case if it can be avoided.

With that said, some proper speakers are desired at the space. Some 6x9's would be perfect (that can run at 75watt RMS at 4 ohms or 150watt RMS at 2 ohms). I'm looking at some speakers and I will have to build new boxes. If anyone has some speakers lying around right now and would like to donate them temporarily please do so. What we have sounds ok but we are lacking base (yes.... there is a sub woofer design that can be done at a later time).

If anyone would like to use the stereo, please speak to me prior because there is a 90% chance of failure for people to be unable to turn the system on if they aren't given a brief introduction. Afterwards, there will be the ability to connect any device via RCA connections or play CD's (regular CD's and MP3 CD's).

-Will C
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com<mailto:staticphantom at gmail.com>> wrote:
When it comes to tube amps, the only real application of them are when you want distortion. I will admit that they tend to have some fun and interesting distortion characteristics that are good for radio, but mostly are amazing for guitar amps (if you listen to ZZ top and love the sounds, you love tube guitar amps). Tube amps are great project that can be scaled down in cost with headphone amplifiers which is another reason to go to the Cmoy (it's the gateway audio amp drug/project).

As for a comment stated earlier... you actually do need a pre-amp for a home stereo. The high end receivers provide the low noise amplification and used to help with proper impedance matching for amplifiers (which are often rack mounted). Granted for those system, when people get that serious the speaker wire for the front two channels may cost in excess of $600. Now I will warn everyone at the space, I don't care how much an audiophile you are but if anyone spends over $200 for less than 24ft of wire I will slap them. In addition, I don't want anyone at the space claiming the need for cryogenically treated wire.

Anyway... back to the subject at hand. I will be at the space tomorrow and I look forward to working on my stereo. I will say I need to build new speakers so if anyone has 2 ohm or 4 ohm speakers they would like to make temporarily available I would be most appreciative.

-Will C.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:49 PM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com<mailto:rsjames at ix.netcom.com>> wrote:


Ah,now I understand better.  You don't need the pre-amp to feed into a "home" stereo amp, you need it to feed into a car amp.  Since car amps are designed to be driven from the output of  a car stereo, they need a lot more juice than your typical microphone pre-amp will drive.  Using the Cmoy makes a lot more sense to me now.



Putting the volume control pot in place of the "Rg" in the non-inverting circuit is a good way to do it.  If you replace both "Rg" and "Rf" with the pot (connecting the wiper to the non-inverting input), you get much greater amplification range.  Of course, for this circuit you don't need or want that.  The other way to do it is to just hang the pot right off the output.  This works great if the impedance of what you are driving is substantially higher than the pot value.  That would be the case for a line input on a home stereo, but I'd bet that the input impedance of the car amp is pretty low, so probably not a good way to do it.  Another point, for people who aren't all that familiar with electronics, is that when you turn a pot all the way to one end, it has a resistance of zero - a dead short.  Depending on the circuit, this may cause damage.  The typical solution is putting a resistor in series with the pot.  It is not uncommon to see pots with series resistors on both sides, particularly in feedback loops.



I consider the skillful use of ferrites to be one of the Black Arts.  Another trick with computer supplies is to use them to feed a linear supply circuit.  A couple of big ol' caps help to tame the high frequency garbage.  Add an adjustable regulator on a heat sink, and you have a handy variable supply.  But you will still probably need ferrites!



My comments about the resistors was more in response to the writeup on the Cmoy.  There are a lot of things about that circuit that have a greater effect on the output than the resistor tolerences.  You are right on about only needing to be close and inexpensive.  I remember the days of carbon resistors.  A high quality circuit would use 10 percenters, maybe even a few 5 percenters for critical signals.  Everything else was 20 percenters.  1% resistors were usually wire wound, and very expensive (compared to other resistors).  The manufacturers would make the carbon resistors, and then measure them to determine the tolerance.  That meant if you had a 10% resistor, it was off by more than 5%, otherwise it would have been sold a a 5% resistor.



With respect to tube amps, I happen to like tube circuits.  They glow!  Also, they keep you warm on cold days.  I can't think of any other real advantages.



RSJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Will
Sent: Nov 13, 2012 4:41 PM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Stereo components

First of all, your response are all great points worth mentioning. What bringing up includes the following.

1) Need, the goal is to use some amplifiers that are cheap and easily attained. In this case, car audio amplifiers. They are robust and make for great shop systems. The problem with these amplifiers is that a computer or CD player just doesn't have enough power to properly drive the amps to acceptable levels.

2) I like the Cmoy because it is basic and people can get hands on some fundamental electronics. I'm all for a wall wart... however seeing how the basic design for using car audio uses computer power supplies (of which... we have quite a few at the space). Computer power supplies are also fun because they can bring a whole host of problems to audio. Much of the problems provide a fun learning experience that includes ferrite beads!

I do like the fact that volume controls are separate because it allows for a space to be equalized a little better in if working with a mono signal (it might work as basic PA system but I won't know until we try). I agree with the comment about screwing up input impedance's with putting a pot in the input. Ideally I would recommend putting a POT where Rg is in the inverting configuration described here  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_amplifier. That is the best way to adjust gain on an amplifier however it will cause distortions.

3) I could give a crap about resistors. If people want to sit down and change the resistance with a file to get perfection then have at it. I'm fine as long as the tolerances are close (which are still inexpensive). #1 rule about audio, don't fall down the rat hole of audiophiles that point at everything that isn't perfect to justify dumping money. (See tube amp enthusiasts).

4) Power supplies... however for 9 volts I think we may have a problem and would need either a 12 volt power supply line from a power supply or use a regulator to drop down the voltage (we might be able to do something with a resistor network pending some measurements). I know the 741's could take those supply lines but the ones for the Cmoy, no clue and I will have to look at the data sheet.

5) As much as cheaper alternatives are there, the nice part about the Cmoy is that the design can be easily taught and constructed. In the end, it's something to be proud of in terms of quality which I think is perfect for the space.

As far as end purpose, Jonas will need to comment because I was speaking in terms of something for the class room. I don't know what Jonas wants exactly, he will have to let us know.

-Will C.



On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:37 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com<mailto:rsjames at ix.netcom.com>> wrote:

Looks like your basic generic inverting op-amp circuit, run off of batteries.  Not sure why you say we need a pre-amp.  What signals are we amplifying?  Do you want microphone inputs to the amp, or are you playing music?
I have a few thoughts about the circuit:

1. If you are using it as a pre-amp, you shouldn't need two batteries for the supply.  The output doesn't need to swing that far.  If it doesn't need to be portable, use a plug in supply.  (Use a wall wart with some extra filtering caps.  You could even throw in a voltage regulator, but probably not needed.)

2. There are separate volume controls for each channel, but no common control.  Okay if not using it for stereo.  Otherwise you have to adjust two controls every time you change the volume.

  2A. Putting the volume control on the input is wrong for a pre-amp.  It really messes with the input impedance.

3. In the parts discussion, he talks about using precision resistors.  If you want, you can use precision resistors, build the circuit, connect a high quality signal generator to the input, put the correct load on the output, and connect a dual trace oscilloscope on both the output and the input.  You can then adjust the volume control pot to get exactly the level you want at the output for a given input.  Or, you can just use cheap resistors, and adjust the volume to the level you like.  Your money.

4. He also talks about using better resistors to avoid problems with the resistance changing due to temperature.  The alternative would be to not build the circuit in a metal box!  Also, the output of the 9 volt batteries change with both temperature and age.  The power is unregulated, so this will have more of an effect than the resistor tolerances.

5. The recommended op-am is a very nice, rather expensive part.  If you are building a true audiophile quality circuit, it would be a good choice.  If you are looking for a low cost solution, there are many better choices.  Heck, you could even use an audio amp IC, or is that too obvious?



A few other thoughts:

There are pre-amp kits out there that would probably be cheaper.  Most of the cost of a low cost audio circuit is in the connectors!



If you really want to do this cheaply, hit up thrift stores and yard sales (Goodwill, Salvation Army Thrift Shop, etc.).  I was at a yard sale this past weekend, and there was a microphone preamp.  It was an a 4 or 8 channel rack mount unit, and I think the guy wanted $25 bucks.  I though it was kind of high.  You can easily get all sorts of receivers and tape players for cheap.  They practically give away VHS and CD players, both of which have usable circuitry.



R. S. James



-----Original Message-----
From: Will
Sent: Nov 13, 2012 2:01 AM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: [MakeLV] Stereo components

Hey all,

Good news! The replacement amplifier has arrived for the space. In the excitement of taking a look at the new amplifier.... I found a small 150 watt Rockford Fosgate stereo amp in the basement. I know Jonas was mentioning need for another speaker system for the class room section. To that.... I have an answer that requires another hack that has been done multiple times (and could use a custom PCB).

To use any amplifier a pre-amplier is needed in a similar configuration to my sound system. In high end sound systems a receiver usually performs this function (lower end audio on home stereos have the amplifier and receiver in a single unit) then sends a low noise signal to the amplifiers. To perform the function on of a head unit on my stereo as a receiver  a headphone amplifier can be built to act as a receiver.  The best headphone amplifier out on the market that audiophiles rave about is the CMOY (http://tangentsoft.net/audio/cmoy-tutorial/) can be produced for around $20.

I am willing to build a new stereo system when I can, however if someone like to expedite the project by taking ownership feel free to contact me.

-Will C.

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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 12:49:19 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:49:19 -0500
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Those are 8 ohm speakers. What I had in my old stereo was Infinity
Reference 6x9's that could run at 100 watt RMS per channel. The speakers
you mentioned will not work without messing with a crossover network. While
doable, not very robust for a work environment.

-Will C

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 1:42 PM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:

> I have multiples of these available to donate if you would like some, I
> know its not really what your asking for but its an option.****
>
> the woofer is capable of going down to around 60hz which is pretty
> impressive for its size.****
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=270-175****
>
>
> http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-5-fullrange/aurasound-ns525-255-8a-5.25-paper-cone-8-ohm/
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> -Will W****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Will
> *Sent:* Friday, November 16, 2012 1:20 PM
>
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Stereo components****
>
> ** **
>
> Good news! With the help from Jordan (a new comer to the space who shows
> up on open hack nights) we have a working stereo! It's on what will become
> the microcontroller work bench. At this time the amp is not mounted so
> please do no move the stereo system in a computer case if it can be avoided.
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> With that said, some proper speakers are desired at the space. Some 6x9's
> would be perfect (that can run at 75watt RMS at 4 ohms or 150watt RMS at 2
> ohms). I'm looking at some speakers and I will have to build new boxes. If
> anyone has some speakers lying around right now and would like to donate
> them temporarily please do so. What we have sounds ok but we are lacking
> base (yes.... there is a sub woofer design that can be done at a later
> time).
>
> If anyone would like to use the stereo, please speak to me prior because
> there is a 90% chance of failure for people to be unable to turn the system
> on if they aren't given a brief introduction. Afterwards, there will be the
> ability to connect any device via RCA connections or play CD's (regular
> CD's and MP3 CD's). ****
>
> ** **
>
> -Will C****
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:***
> *
>
> When it comes to tube amps, the only real application of them are when you
> want distortion. I will admit that they tend to have some fun and
> interesting distortion characteristics that are good for radio, but mostly
> are amazing for guitar amps (if you listen to ZZ top and love the sounds,
> you love tube guitar amps). Tube amps are great project that can be scaled
> down in cost with headphone amplifiers which is another reason to go to the
> Cmoy (it's the gateway audio amp drug/project). ****
>
> ** **
>
> As for a comment stated earlier... you actually do need a pre-amp for a
> home stereo. The high end receivers provide the low noise amplification and
> used to help with proper impedance matching for amplifiers (which are often
> rack mounted). Granted for those system, when people get that serious the
> speaker wire for the front two channels may cost in excess of $600. Now I
> will warn everyone at the space, I don't care how much an audiophile you
> are but if anyone spends over $200 for less than 24ft of wire I will slap
> them. In addition, I don't want anyone at the space claiming the need for
> cryogenically treated wire.****
>
> ** **
>
> Anyway... back to the subject at hand. I will be at the space tomorrow and
> I look forward to working on my stereo. I will say I need to build new
> speakers so if anyone has 2 ohm or 4 ohm speakers they would like to make
> temporarily available I would be most appreciative. ****
>
> ** **
>
> -Will C.****
>
> ** **
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:49 PM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:****
>
> ** **
>
> Ah,now I understand better.  You don't need the pre-amp to feed into a
> "home" stereo amp, you need it to feed into a car amp.  Since car amps are
> designed to be driven from the output of  a car stereo, they need a lot
> more juice than your typical microphone pre-amp will drive.  Using the Cmoy
> makes a lot more sense to me now. ****
>
>  ****
>
> Putting the volume control pot in place of the "Rg" in the non-inverting
> circuit is a good way to do it.  If you replace both "Rg" and "Rf" with the
> pot (connecting the wiper to the non-inverting input), you get much greater
> amplification range.  Of course, for this circuit you don't need or want
> that.  The other way to do it is to just hang the pot right off the
> output.  This works great if the impedance of what you are driving is
> substantially higher than the pot value.  That would be the case for a line
> input on a home stereo, but I'd bet that the input impedance of the car amp
> is pretty low, so probably not a good way to do it.  Another point, for
> people who aren't all that familiar with electronics, is that when you turn
> a pot all the way to one end, it has a resistance of zero - a dead short.
> Depending on the circuit, this may cause damage.  The typical solution is
> putting a resistor in series with the pot.  It is not uncommon to see pots
> with series resistors on both sides, particularly in feedback
> loops.         ****
>
>  ****
>
> I consider the skillful use of ferrites to be one of the Black Arts.
> Another trick with computer supplies is to use them to feed a linear supply
> circuit.  A couple of big ol' caps help to tame the high frequency
> garbage.  Add an adjustable regulator on a heat sink, and you have a handy
> variable supply.  But you will still probably need ferrites!****
>
>  ****
>
> My comments about the resistors was more in response to the writeup on the
> Cmoy.  There are a lot of things about that circuit that have a greater
> effect on the output than the resistor tolerences.  You are right on about
> only needing to be close and inexpensive.  I remember the days of carbon
> resistors.  A high quality circuit would use 10 percenters, maybe even a
> few 5 percenters for critical signals.  Everything else was 20
> percenters.  1% resistors were usually wire wound, and very expensive
> (compared to other resistors).  The manufacturers would make the carbon
> resistors, and then measure them to determine the tolerance.  That meant if
> you had a 10% resistor, it was off by more than 5%, otherwise it would have
> been sold a a 5% resistor.           ****
>
>  ****
>
> With respect to tube amps, I happen to like tube circuits.  They glow!
> Also, they keep you warm on cold days.  I can't think of any other real
> advantages.  ****
>
>  ****
>
> RSJ                      ****
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will
> Sent: Nov 13, 2012 4:41 PM
> To: Build things for fun! ****
>
> Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Stereo components
>
> First of all, your response are all great points worth mentioning. What
> bringing up includes the following.  ****
>
> ** **
>
> 1) Need, the goal is to use some amplifiers that are cheap and easily
> attained. In this case, car audio amplifiers. They are robust and make for
> great shop systems. The problem with these amplifiers is that a computer or
> CD player just doesn't have enough power to properly drive the amps to
> acceptable levels. ****
>
> ** **
>
> 2) I like the Cmoy because it is basic and people can get hands on
> some fundamental electronics. I'm all for a wall wart... however seeing how
> the basic design for using car audio uses computer power supplies (of
> which... we have quite a few at the space). Computer power supplies are
> also fun because they can bring a whole host of problems to audio. Much of
> the problems provide a fun learning experience that includes ferrite beads!
>
> I do like the fact that volume controls are separate because it allows for
> a space to be equalized a little better in if working with a mono signal
> (it might work as basic PA system but I won't know until we try). I agree
> with the comment about screwing up input impedance's with putting a pot in
> the input. Ideally I would recommend putting a POT where Rg is in the
> inverting configuration described here
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_amplifier. That is the best way
> to adjust gain on an amplifier however it will cause distortions.  ****
>
> ** **
>
> 3) I could give a crap about resistors. If people want to sit down and
> change the resistance with a file to get perfection then have at it. I'm
> fine as long as the tolerances are close (which are still inexpensive). #1
> rule about audio, don't fall down the rat hole of audiophiles that point at
> everything that isn't perfect to justify dumping money. (See tube
> amp enthusiasts).****
>
> ** **
>
> 4) Power supplies... however for 9 volts I think we may have a problem and
> would need either a 12 volt power supply line from a power supply or use a
> regulator to drop down the voltage (we might be able to do something with a
> resistor network pending some measurements). I know the 741's could take
> those supply lines but the ones for the Cmoy, no clue and I will have to
> look at the data sheet. ****
>
> ** **
>
> 5) As much as cheaper alternatives are there, the nice part about the Cmoy
> is that the design can be easily taught and constructed. In the end, it's
> something to be proud of in terms of quality which I think is perfect for
> the space. ****
>
> ** **
>
> As far as end purpose, Jonas will need to comment because I was speaking
> in terms of something for the class room. I don't know what Jonas wants
> exactly, he will have to let us know. ****
>
> ** **
>
> -Will C. ****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:37 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com> wrote:****
>
> Looks like your basic generic inverting op-amp circuit, run off
> of batteries.  Not sure why you say we need a pre-amp.  What signals are we
> amplifying?  Do you want microphone inputs to the amp, or are you playing
> music?
> I have a few thoughts about the circuit:****
>
> 1. If you are using it as a pre-amp, you shouldn't need two batteries for
> the supply.  The output doesn't need to swing that far.  If it doesn't need
> to be portable, use a plug in supply.  (Use a wall wart with some extra
> filtering caps.  You could even throw in a voltage regulator, but probably
> not needed.)****
>
> 2. There are separate volume controls for each channel, but no common
> control.  Okay if not using it for stereo.  Otherwise you have to adjust
> two controls every time you change the volume.****
>
>   2A. Putting the volume control on the input is wrong for a pre-amp.  It
> really messes with the input impedance.     ****
>
> 3. In the parts discussion, he talks about using precision resistors.  If
> you want, you can use precision resistors, build the circuit, connect a
> high quality signal generator to the input, put the correct load on the
> output, and connect a dual trace oscilloscope on both the output and the
> input.  You can then adjust the volume control pot to get exactly the level
> you want at the output for a given input.  Or, you can just use cheap
> resistors, and adjust the volume to the level you like.  Your money.  ****
>
> 4. He also talks about using better resistors to avoid problems with the
> resistance changing due to temperature.  The alternative would be to not
> build the circuit in a metal box!  Also, the output of the 9 volt batteries
> change with both temperature and age.  The power is unregulated, so this
> will have more of an effect than the resistor tolerances.****
>
> 5. The recommended op-am is a very nice, rather expensive part.  If you
> are building a true audiophile quality circuit, it would be a good choice.
> If you are looking for a low cost solution, there are many better
> choices.  Heck, you could even use an audio amp IC, or is that too obvious?
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> A few other thoughts:****
>
> There are pre-amp kits out there that would probably be cheaper.  Most of
> the cost of a low cost audio circuit is in the connectors!****
>
>  ****
>
> If you really want to do this cheaply, hit up thrift stores and yard sales
> (Goodwill, Salvation Army Thrift Shop, etc.).  I was at a yard sale this
> past weekend, and there was a microphone preamp.  It was an a 4 or 8
> channel rack mount unit, and I think the guy wanted $25 bucks.  I though it
> was kind of high.  You can easily get all sorts of receivers and tape
> players for cheap.  They practically give away VHS and CD players, both of
> which have usable circuitry.****
>
>  ****
>
> R. S. James****
>
>  ****
>
> ** **
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will
> Sent: Nov 13, 2012 2:01 AM
> To: Build things for fun!
> Subject: [MakeLV] Stereo components
>
> Hey all,  ****
>
> ** **
>
> Good news! The replacement amplifier has arrived for the space. In the
> excitement of taking a look at the new amplifier.... I found a small 150
> watt Rockford Fosgate stereo amp in the basement. I know Jonas was
> mentioning need for another speaker system for the class room section. To
> that.... I have an answer that requires another hack that has been done
> multiple times (and could use a custom PCB). ****
>
> ** **
>
> To use any amplifier a pre-amplier is needed in a similar configuration to
> my sound system. In high end sound systems a receiver usually performs this
> function (lower end audio on home stereos have the amplifier and receiver
> in a single unit) then sends a low noise signal to the amplifiers. To
> perform the function on of a head unit on my stereo as a receiver  a
> headphone amplifier can be built to act as a receiver.  The best headphone
> amplifier out on the market that audiophiles rave about is the CMOY (
> http://tangentsoft.net/audio/cmoy-tutorial/) can be produced for around
> $20. ****
>
> ** **
>
> I am willing to build a new stereo system when I can, however if someone
> like to expedite the project by taking ownership feel free to contact me.
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> -Will C. ****
>
>
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From wweik at lutron.com  Fri Nov 16 13:00:24 2012
From: wweik at lutron.com (William Weik)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:00:24 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Stereo components
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100w rms at what impedance?

From: Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Will
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:49 PM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Stereo components

Those are 8 ohm speakers. What I had in my old stereo was Infinity Reference 6x9's that could run at 100 watt RMS per channel. The speakers you mentioned will not work without messing with a crossover network. While doable, not very robust for a work environment.

-Will C

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 1:42 PM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com<mailto:wweik at lutron.com>> wrote:
I have multiples of these available to donate if you would like some, I know its not really what your asking for but its an option.
the woofer is capable of going down to around 60hz which is pretty impressive for its size.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=270-175
http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-5-fullrange/aurasound-ns525-255-8a-5.25-paper-cone-8-ohm/

-Will W

From: Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com<mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com>] On Behalf Of Will
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:20 PM

To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Stereo components

Good news! With the help from Jordan (a new comer to the space who shows up on open hack nights) we have a working stereo! It's on what will become the microcontroller work bench. At this time the amp is not mounted so please do no move the stereo system in a computer case if it can be avoided.

With that said, some proper speakers are desired at the space. Some 6x9's would be perfect (that can run at 75watt RMS at 4 ohms or 150watt RMS at 2 ohms). I'm looking at some speakers and I will have to build new boxes. If anyone has some speakers lying around right now and would like to donate them temporarily please do so. What we have sounds ok but we are lacking base (yes.... there is a sub woofer design that can be done at a later time).

If anyone would like to use the stereo, please speak to me prior because there is a 90% chance of failure for people to be unable to turn the system on if they aren't given a brief introduction. Afterwards, there will be the ability to connect any device via RCA connections or play CD's (regular CD's and MP3 CD's).

-Will C
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com<mailto:staticphantom at gmail.com>> wrote:
When it comes to tube amps, the only real application of them are when you want distortion. I will admit that they tend to have some fun and interesting distortion characteristics that are good for radio, but mostly are amazing for guitar amps (if you listen to ZZ top and love the sounds, you love tube guitar amps). Tube amps are great project that can be scaled down in cost with headphone amplifiers which is another reason to go to the Cmoy (it's the gateway audio amp drug/project).

As for a comment stated earlier... you actually do need a pre-amp for a home stereo. The high end receivers provide the low noise amplification and used to help with proper impedance matching for amplifiers (which are often rack mounted). Granted for those system, when people get that serious the speaker wire for the front two channels may cost in excess of $600. Now I will warn everyone at the space, I don't care how much an audiophile you are but if anyone spends over $200 for less than 24ft of wire I will slap them. In addition, I don't want anyone at the space claiming the need for cryogenically treated wire.

Anyway... back to the subject at hand. I will be at the space tomorrow and I look forward to working on my stereo. I will say I need to build new speakers so if anyone has 2 ohm or 4 ohm speakers they would like to make temporarily available I would be most appreciative.

-Will C.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:49 PM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com<mailto:rsjames at ix.netcom.com>> wrote:


Ah,now I understand better.  You don't need the pre-amp to feed into a "home" stereo amp, you need it to feed into a car amp.  Since car amps are designed to be driven from the output of  a car stereo, they need a lot more juice than your typical microphone pre-amp will drive.  Using the Cmoy makes a lot more sense to me now.



Putting the volume control pot in place of the "Rg" in the non-inverting circuit is a good way to do it.  If you replace both "Rg" and "Rf" with the pot (connecting the wiper to the non-inverting input), you get much greater amplification range.  Of course, for this circuit you don't need or want that.  The other way to do it is to just hang the pot right off the output.  This works great if the impedance of what you are driving is substantially higher than the pot value.  That would be the case for a line input on a home stereo, but I'd bet that the input impedance of the car amp is pretty low, so probably not a good way to do it.  Another point, for people who aren't all that familiar with electronics, is that when you turn a pot all the way to one end, it has a resistance of zero - a dead short.  Depending on the circuit, this may cause damage.  The typical solution is putting a resistor in series with the pot.  It is not uncommon to see pots with series resistors on both sides, particularly in feedback loops.



I consider the skillful use of ferrites to be one of the Black Arts.  Another trick with computer supplies is to use them to feed a linear supply circuit.  A couple of big ol' caps help to tame the high frequency garbage.  Add an adjustable regulator on a heat sink, and you have a handy variable supply.  But you will still probably need ferrites!



My comments about the resistors was more in response to the writeup on the Cmoy.  There are a lot of things about that circuit that have a greater effect on the output than the resistor tolerences.  You are right on about only needing to be close and inexpensive.  I remember the days of carbon resistors.  A high quality circuit would use 10 percenters, maybe even a few 5 percenters for critical signals.  Everything else was 20 percenters.  1% resistors were usually wire wound, and very expensive (compared to other resistors).  The manufacturers would make the carbon resistors, and then measure them to determine the tolerance.  That meant if you had a 10% resistor, it was off by more than 5%, otherwise it would have been sold a a 5% resistor.



With respect to tube amps, I happen to like tube circuits.  They glow!  Also, they keep you warm on cold days.  I can't think of any other real advantages.



RSJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Will
Sent: Nov 13, 2012 4:41 PM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Stereo components

First of all, your response are all great points worth mentioning. What bringing up includes the following.

1) Need, the goal is to use some amplifiers that are cheap and easily attained. In this case, car audio amplifiers. They are robust and make for great shop systems. The problem with these amplifiers is that a computer or CD player just doesn't have enough power to properly drive the amps to acceptable levels.

2) I like the Cmoy because it is basic and people can get hands on some fundamental electronics. I'm all for a wall wart... however seeing how the basic design for using car audio uses computer power supplies (of which... we have quite a few at the space). Computer power supplies are also fun because they can bring a whole host of problems to audio. Much of the problems provide a fun learning experience that includes ferrite beads!

I do like the fact that volume controls are separate because it allows for a space to be equalized a little better in if working with a mono signal (it might work as basic PA system but I won't know until we try). I agree with the comment about screwing up input impedance's with putting a pot in the input. Ideally I would recommend putting a POT where Rg is in the inverting configuration described here  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_amplifier. That is the best way to adjust gain on an amplifier however it will cause distortions.

3) I could give a crap about resistors. If people want to sit down and change the resistance with a file to get perfection then have at it. I'm fine as long as the tolerances are close (which are still inexpensive). #1 rule about audio, don't fall down the rat hole of audiophiles that point at everything that isn't perfect to justify dumping money. (See tube amp enthusiasts).

4) Power supplies... however for 9 volts I think we may have a problem and would need either a 12 volt power supply line from a power supply or use a regulator to drop down the voltage (we might be able to do something with a resistor network pending some measurements). I know the 741's could take those supply lines but the ones for the Cmoy, no clue and I will have to look at the data sheet.

5) As much as cheaper alternatives are there, the nice part about the Cmoy is that the design can be easily taught and constructed. In the end, it's something to be proud of in terms of quality which I think is perfect for the space.

As far as end purpose, Jonas will need to comment because I was speaking in terms of something for the class room. I don't know what Jonas wants exactly, he will have to let us know.

-Will C.



On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:37 AM, <rsjames at ix.netcom.com<mailto:rsjames at ix.netcom.com>> wrote:

Looks like your basic generic inverting op-amp circuit, run off of batteries.  Not sure why you say we need a pre-amp.  What signals are we amplifying?  Do you want microphone inputs to the amp, or are you playing music?
I have a few thoughts about the circuit:

1. If you are using it as a pre-amp, you shouldn't need two batteries for the supply.  The output doesn't need to swing that far.  If it doesn't need to be portable, use a plug in supply.  (Use a wall wart with some extra filtering caps.  You could even throw in a voltage regulator, but probably not needed.)

2. There are separate volume controls for each channel, but no common control.  Okay if not using it for stereo.  Otherwise you have to adjust two controls every time you change the volume.

  2A. Putting the volume control on the input is wrong for a pre-amp.  It really messes with the input impedance.

3. In the parts discussion, he talks about using precision resistors.  If you want, you can use precision resistors, build the circuit, connect a high quality signal generator to the input, put the correct load on the output, and connect a dual trace oscilloscope on both the output and the input.  You can then adjust the volume control pot to get exactly the level you want at the output for a given input.  Or, you can just use cheap resistors, and adjust the volume to the level you like.  Your money.

4. He also talks about using better resistors to avoid problems with the resistance changing due to temperature.  The alternative would be to not build the circuit in a metal box!  Also, the output of the 9 volt batteries change with both temperature and age.  The power is unregulated, so this will have more of an effect than the resistor tolerances.

5. The recommended op-am is a very nice, rather expensive part.  If you are building a true audiophile quality circuit, it would be a good choice.  If you are looking for a low cost solution, there are many better choices.  Heck, you could even use an audio amp IC, or is that too obvious?



A few other thoughts:

There are pre-amp kits out there that would probably be cheaper.  Most of the cost of a low cost audio circuit is in the connectors!



If you really want to do this cheaply, hit up thrift stores and yard sales (Goodwill, Salvation Army Thrift Shop, etc.).  I was at a yard sale this past weekend, and there was a microphone preamp.  It was an a 4 or 8 channel rack mount unit, and I think the guy wanted $25 bucks.  I though it was kind of high.  You can easily get all sorts of receivers and tape players for cheap.  They practically give away VHS and CD players, both of which have usable circuitry.



R. S. James



-----Original Message-----
From: Will
Sent: Nov 13, 2012 2:01 AM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: [MakeLV] Stereo components

Hey all,

Good news! The replacement amplifier has arrived for the space. In the excitement of taking a look at the new amplifier.... I found a small 150 watt Rockford Fosgate stereo amp in the basement. I know Jonas was mentioning need for another speaker system for the class room section. To that.... I have an answer that requires another hack that has been done multiple times (and could use a custom PCB).

To use any amplifier a pre-amplier is needed in a similar configuration to my sound system. In high end sound systems a receiver usually performs this function (lower end audio on home stereos have the amplifier and receiver in a single unit) then sends a low noise signal to the amplifiers. To perform the function on of a head unit on my stereo as a receiver  a headphone amplifier can be built to act as a receiver.  The best headphone amplifier out on the market that audiophiles rave about is the CMOY (http://tangentsoft.net/audio/cmoy-tutorial/) can be produced for around $20.

I am willing to build a new stereo system when I can, however if someone like to expedite the project by taking ownership feel free to contact me.

-Will C.

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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 14:12:41 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:12:41 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Capacitors anybody?
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For anyone who knows the awesomeness a capacitor stores, and would like
interested in shear awesome that was displayed last night.... or has
interest building a stereo similar to mine.... or just wants to blow stuff
up.

Take a look at what I found! http://capacitor.tedss.com/12V

Who wants to join Alex in destruction via capacitors?

-Will C
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Fri Nov 16 16:06:31 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:06:31 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] PCB etchant tank status
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It's perfect!

J (mobile)

On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com> wrote:

> "Transfuser"?
> 
> -Ellis
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 1:09 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>> The tank is actually good to go - we'll probably be doing a very thorough test this Saturday.  I'm speaking for Jeff a little here but I think that's the status.
>> 
>> We can currently do the toner transfer by clothes iron, which is time consuming and less than awesome, but it's something.  We're hoping to do a first complete build of our fuser-transferer (cool name needed) on Saturday also, which will - in theory - improve the toner/heat transfer process.  We shall see.
>> 
>> We could probably accomplish an etch if you needed to do something though.  Will C also has the Radio Shack etching kit you might be able to use if you ask him nicely ;)
>> 
>> J
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [MakeLV] PCB etchant tank status
>> From: William Weik <wweik at lutron.com>
>> Date: Fri, November 16, 2012 10:37 am
>> To: Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>> 
>> I know we etched some PCBs, but they had some toner mask problems. Is this fixed what is the status on this project?
>>  
>> -Will W
>>  
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Mon Nov 19 11:11:29 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:11:29 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] Transfuser Update (with Video!)
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From wweik at lutron.com  Mon Nov 19 12:08:19 2012
From: wweik at lutron.com (William Weik)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:08:19 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Transfuser Update (with Video!)
In-Reply-To: <20121119101129.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.67e43b8756.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
References: <20121119101129.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.67e43b8756.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
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Have to admit I'm pretty stoked, good job guys. How much does the etchant cost?

-Will W

From: Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of steckelj at jaredsroom.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 12:11 PM
To: makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
Subject: [MakeLV] Transfuser Update (with Video!)

So we made a ton of progress on the "Transfuser" on Saturday.

Good video: http://youtu.be/OIGJ1hKVGVE

Better video: http://youtu.be/orCTA5e60t8

Jeff takes one for science!

Next Saturday we'll be swapping out PWM motor control for voltage regulation, mounting the motor, and firing up the lamp.

J
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From wweik at lutron.com  Mon Nov 19 12:09:45 2012
From: wweik at lutron.com (William Weik)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:09:45 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Hackerspace Holiday Hours
Message-ID: <FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC7F126A2@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>

So when is the space open and closed this week?

-Will W
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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 12:27:11 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:27:11 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Transfuser Update (with Video!)
In-Reply-To: <FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC7F12696@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>
References: <20121119101129.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.67e43b8756.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
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Will,

We already have a bottle of etchant and this instructable shows a way to
make more that seems pretty cheap.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Stop-using-Ferric-Chloride-etchant!--A-better-etc/step1/Ingredients-The-Starter-Etchant/

This doesn't create ferric chloricde so you can't mix it with what we
already have. I have heard that a few changes to that instructable, notably
using steel wool instead of a copper wire to charge the solution can create
ferric chloride, but I would need to look into that further.

-Jeff

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, William Weik <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:

> Have to admit I'm pretty stoked, good job guys. How much does the etchant
> cost?****
>
> ** **
>
> -Will W****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *
> steckelj at jaredsroom.com
> *Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2012 12:11 PM
> *To:* makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
> *Subject:* [MakeLV] Transfuser Update (with Video!)****
>
> ** **
>
> So we made a ton of progress on the "Transfuser" on Saturday.****
>
> ** **
>
> Good video: http://youtu.be/OIGJ1hKVGVE****
>
> ** **
>
> Better video: http://youtu.be/orCTA5e60t8****
>
> ** **
>
> Jeff takes one for science!****
>
> ** **
>
> Next Saturday we'll be swapping out PWM motor control for voltage
> regulation, mounting the motor, and firing up the lamp.****
>
> ** **
>
> J****
>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Mon Nov 19 12:33:39 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:33:39 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Transfuser Update (with Video!)
In-Reply-To: <20121119101129.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.67e43b8756.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
References: <20121119101129.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.67e43b8756.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <CANyh6Vu=-0ZHHOegDKDQSARMb=tvW_-U459nZrWWe_xqwJePuQ@mail.gmail.com>

lol, Yeah the better video is... better :-)


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:11 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> So we made a ton of progress on the "Transfuser" on Saturday.
>
> Good video: http://youtu.be/OIGJ1hKVGVE
>
> Better video: http://youtu.be/orCTA5e60t8
>
> Jeff takes one for science!
>
> Next Saturday we'll be swapping out PWM motor control for voltage
> regulation, mounting the motor, and firing up the lamp.
>
> J
>
> _______________________________________________
> Makelehighvalley mailing list
> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Mon Nov 19 13:47:52 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:47:52 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] Closed Wed, Thurs (Holiday Schedule)
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From whatever at taggers.org  Mon Nov 19 13:49:22 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:49:22 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Closed Wed, Thurs (Holiday Schedule)
In-Reply-To: <20121119124752.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.d12eac2ee8.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
References: <20121119124752.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.d12eac2ee8.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <50AA8D42.8060702@taggers.org>

if theres a huge positive response i'll open the space wed, otherwise my 
house is a mess :)



From doctorlou at nerdshack.com  Mon Nov 19 14:11:02 2012
From: doctorlou at nerdshack.com (Doc)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:11:02 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Closed Wed, Thurs (Holiday Schedule)
In-Reply-To: <50AA8D42.8060702@taggers.org>
References: <20121119124752.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.d12eac2ee8.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
	<50AA8D42.8060702@taggers.org>
Message-ID: <005401cdc692$01b35ff0$051a1fd0$@com>

If other people are interested then I will be as well. If not, I can wait
til Saturday

-----Original Message-----
From: Makelehighvalley
[mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of whatever
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:49 PM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Closed Wed, Thurs (Holiday Schedule)

if theres a huge positive response i'll open the space wed, otherwise my
house is a mess :)

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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Mon Nov 19 19:18:04 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:18:04 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Closed Wed, Thurs (Holiday Schedule)
In-Reply-To: <CAE1O4xrif-Q+tNrJia1OOmvLCVCE59LsTM2w30fc19g8L3iLTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20121119124752.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.d12eac2ee8.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
	<CAE1O4xrif-Q+tNrJia1OOmvLCVCE59LsTM2w30fc19g8L3iLTw@mail.gmail.com>
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This looks great Rob!  I copied the list.  Conceived at a Hackathon it says?

Thoughts all?

J (mobile)

On Nov 19, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:

> FYI .... ham club I belong to uses groupme ( https://groupme.com/ ) for SMS distribution .... 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>
> Date: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:47 PM
> Subject: [MakeLV] Closed Wed, Thurs (Holiday Schedule)
> To: makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am unfortunately unavailable to open the space this Wednesday evening 11/21 (wifey birthday gathering), and I do not believe anyone will be at the space on Thursday 11/22 (though I could be wrong?).  I'll also put this in the channel.
> 
> I'll be there on Saturday 11/24 from Noon-8PM.
> 
> In this vein, as discussed at the board meeting we'll be putting together a notifications mailing list for SMS subscription for scheduling and other important alerts.
> 
> J
> 
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From doctorlou at nerdshack.com  Tue Nov 20 12:41:50 2012
From: doctorlou at nerdshack.com (Doc)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:41:50 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Closed Wed, Thurs (Holiday Schedule)
In-Reply-To: <EBE53818-8E70-4C88-A335-6912F78E9E01@jaredsroom.com>
References: <20121119124752.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.d12eac2ee8.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>	<CAE1O4xrif-Q+tNrJia1OOmvLCVCE59LsTM2w30fc19g8L3iLTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<EBE53818-8E70-4C88-A335-6912F78E9E01@jaredsroom.com>
Message-ID: <008601cdc74e$b4e20420$1ea60c60$@com>

Since it seems to be free, I would be interested in trying it. 

 

From: Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Jared Steckel
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 8:18 PM
To: Rob Roschewsk; Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Closed Wed, Thurs (Holiday Schedule)

 

This looks great Rob!  I copied the list.  Conceived at a Hackathon it says?

 

Thoughts all?

J (mobile)


On Nov 19, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:

FYI .... ham club I belong to uses groupme ( https://groupme.com/ ) for SMS distribution .... 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:47 PM
Subject: [MakeLV] Closed Wed, Thurs (Holiday Schedule)
To: makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com



Hi all,

 

I am unfortunately unavailable to open the space this Wednesday evening 11/21 (wifey birthday gathering), and I do not believe anyone will be at the space on Thursday 11/22 (though I could be wrong?).  I'll also put this in the channel.

 

I'll be there on Saturday 11/24 from Noon-8PM.

 

In this vein, as discussed at the board meeting we'll be putting together a notifications mailing list for SMS subscription for scheduling and other important alerts.

 

J


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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Tue Nov 20 14:48:24 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:48:24 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] DaVinci Meeting/Class Outline
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From meghan at schoolfactory.org  Tue Nov 20 15:03:50 2012
From: meghan at schoolfactory.org (Meghan Koven)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:03:50 -0600
Subject: [MakeLV] Monthly Space Federation Call TOMORROW,
	11/21/12 at 8:00 pm CST
Message-ID: <CAH__VX2ywJvL=+zDSJor=TwnDOL=pnOdtdxi9rca3E35QR2q9g@mail.gmail.com>

Join us for the Monthly Space Federation call!

We'll be talking about plans for 2013, the Advisory Board, startup space
mentoring, and a new operating manual / safety policy kit you can use to
make your space safer. And, of course, your awesomeness!

Here's a link to the Google+ Event -- feel free to invite others!
https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/c6ovvl82cfm9b1nvkpi9hkme8f0

Here's a link to the Google+ Hangout: *
https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1052dc920c60187462b249d9bbff4a785d095980?authuser=0&hl=en#
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 22:05:55 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:05:55 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] DaVinci Meeting/Class Outline
In-Reply-To: <20121120134824.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.3a71e3ca42.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
References: <20121120134824.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.3a71e3ca42.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
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Curriculum status: it's there however I have not run through the curriculum
completely yet. I have a cool idea for a final project that will teach
programming and might have a practical use.

Parts: In a nut shell, we will need some 10k resistors, a few push buttons
 or momentary switches, potentiometers, LED's, servos similar to these
here<http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__28411__Hobby_King_3_7g_4kg_10sec_Micro_Servo_UK_Warehouse_.html?gclid=CJCsp5CV37MCFQqk4Aod0QIA1w>,
bread boards, jumper wires of some kind. We may need a power supply (or
batteries) for the servos but we will know after we get the servos.

-Will C

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:48 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I met with Dave & Karen at DaVinci today regarding the Arduino course.  If
> you haven't been there, it's a gorgeous facility that was absolutely
> bustling with visitors and staff alike.  We had a wonderful discussion,
> which also included the exciting information that DaVinci will be starting
> a space of it's own very soon!
>
> Here's the information for the DaVinci Arduino course.  Will C will be
> developing the curriculum and teaching the sessions, with support from
> others (Jim, Jeff, Me) as necessary.  I'll be in the back, handling
> discipline with bamboo.
>
> ----
>
> Objective: To provide a first-time introduction and workshop for the
> Arduino, highlighting it's capabilities via a fun and almost entirely
> hands-on workshop.
>
> When: Beginning in January, 2nd or 3rd week, with multiple sessions held
> once every other week or so.  The ideal day of the week and the exact time
> frame for starting the sessions is being discussed at DaVinci, they'll let
> us know shortly.
>
> Who: DaVinci staff, who are mostly complete beginners to both electronics
> and the Arduino.
>
> Where: The sessions will be held at Hive4a, giving DaVinci staff a chance
> to become familiar with our space.
>
> What are we teaching: The curriculum outlined by Will, via the Arduino
> example code, will work perfectly.  Blink an LED, digital write, digital
> read, analog read, serial comm (just via serial monitor) and finishing up
> with servos.  A great example of the correct speed for the class is "very
> brief explanation, build this, watch it work, then ask questions as to what
> you did and why it works".  The idea is that the DaVinci staff will conduct
> similar workshops in the future, but we don't want to go down the hardcore
> "educating educators" path with this particular endeavor.
>
> Which board:  The USB Boarduino from Adafruit, pre-assembled (as purchased
> from Adafruit), is what we ultimately decided on.  The decision is based on
> the fact that it plugs in to the breadboard eliminating some wiring &
> providing a compact package, is usable without FTDI concerns, and has a
> lower price point by comparison (~$10).  DaVinci will plan to keep the
> Boarduinos and breadboards (which we will also provide & factor in to cost)
> in order to have a "class set" for their own workshops in the future.
>
> What now?:  We need to prepare the per-person cost for the class and
> provide this to DaVinci, which should include the USB Boarduino,
> breadboard, and the components necessary for circuit building (excluding
> servos or anything else overly expensive).  Meanwhile, I'd like to give an
> overview of our curriculum/plan to Dave.  We will hear back from DaVinci on
> the exactl scheduling soon, and we'll then need to make sure that works for
> all of us.
>
> WILL C: Can you finalize the curriculum based on the above and e-mail the
> doc over to me?  I believe you said it was basically done.  This will
> determine our parts list, which we'll need for costing.
>
> I have our Adafruit discount info and will work up the costs as best I
> can, which we can merge with a component list.
>
> We're off and running - sounds exciting!
>
> J
>
>
>
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From doctorlou at nerdshack.com  Wed Nov 21 13:55:30 2012
From: doctorlou at nerdshack.com (Doc)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:55:30 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Closed Wed, Thurs (Holiday Schedule)
In-Reply-To: <005401cdc692$01b35ff0$051a1fd0$@com>
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Cancel my appearance for tonight, I am in York gathering parts, tools, and donations for Saturday. 

Doc <doctorlou at nerdshack.com> wrote:

>If other people are interested then I will be as well. If not, I can
>wait
>til Saturday
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Makelehighvalley
>[mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of
>whatever
>Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:49 PM
>To: Build things for fun!
>Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Closed Wed, Thurs (Holiday Schedule)
>
>if theres a huge positive response i'll open the space wed, otherwise
>my
>house is a mess :)
>
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Thu Nov 22 19:48:00 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:48:00 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] Happy Thanksgiving!
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:30:13 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:30:13 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Jeff's speakers
Message-ID: <CAO8063W=2PPsWRhJp_cZMrbiGkkauo-mXqNKyutQGkhKX92wQA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone,

If anyone liked Jeff's speakers that he had at the space that he hooked up
to his laptop I found them onsale today.
http://www.woot.com/offers/tweakers-lites-portable-speaker-system-1

-Will C
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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 12:22:43 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:22:43 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Jeff's speakers
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063W=2PPsWRhJp_cZMrbiGkkauo-mXqNKyutQGkhKX92wQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8063W=2PPsWRhJp_cZMrbiGkkauo-mXqNKyutQGkhKX92wQA@mail.gmail.com>
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Not quite the same as mine. Mine are xminis
http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/9e68/. Those do look oretty good though

-Jeff

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> If anyone liked Jeff's speakers that he had at the space that he hooked up
> to his laptop I found them onsale today.
> http://www.woot.com/offers/tweakers-lites-portable-speaker-system-1
>
> -Will C
>
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From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:50:05 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] Jeff's speakers
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From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:53:01 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] Jeff's speakers
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 14:35:18 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:35:18 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano discovery
Message-ID: <CAO8063XXXOWzizeUcsg=tgM04hTUj=KOELp4h2Lca+aXRZhzyA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Folks,

When Tom stopped by the space this afternoon a discovery was made with the
arduino nano's which is just awesome. There is a 5V regulator on the board.
Alex mentioned staturday that he believed the Arduino nano did not have a
voltage regulator. What this means is that we can be sloopy with power
supplies for the Arduino Nano's!

-Will C
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 17:16:13 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:16:13 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
Message-ID: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If anyone
is interested jumping in on the order I will need to know immediately. The
unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The downside, I don't know the
shipping costs off but I do know shipping will take a bit since these
boards are getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well don't
worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's have the FTDI
chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino without an external FTDI
this is a great option for a great price!

-Will C
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From david at davincisciencecenter.org  Wed Nov 28 18:56:59 2012
From: david at davincisciencecenter.org (David Smith)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:56:59 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKY0pFTkBBtbanFBJdzRihsXsDXOe=DoTV0ye_93eBqLKY7AoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Will, I'll take 4.  The link you sent me showed a price of $9.46 for the
10+  Is there tax or is this a different product? The slightly higher price
is fine, I'm just curious.

Dave

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If anyone
> is interested jumping in on the order I will need to know immediately. The
> unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The downside, I don't know the
> shipping costs off but I do know shipping will take a bit since these
> boards are getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well don't
> worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's have the FTDI
> chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino without an external FTDI
> this is a great option for a great price!
>
> -Will C
>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 19:09:34 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:09:34 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
In-Reply-To: <CAKY0pFTkBBtbanFBJdzRihsXsDXOe=DoTV0ye_93eBqLKY7AoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKY0pFTkBBtbanFBJdzRihsXsDXOe=DoTV0ye_93eBqLKY7AoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8063XY+Xss7AwA_0t7_XxM2y5_JB1Ga7xm+kagC1PDFQcePg@mail.gmail.com>

I just checked the price. The holidays must be jacking up the price because
now the price is $10.99. The shipping on the ENTIRE order is $0.01! So
shipping is negligible.  The link in question for everyone is this:
http://dx.com/p/nano-v3-0-avr-atmega328-p-20au-module-board-usb-cable-for-arduino-118037

-Will C

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:56 PM, David Smith <david at davincisciencecenter.org
> wrote:

> Will, I'll take 4.  The link you sent me showed a price of $9.46 for the
> 10+  Is there tax or is this a different product? The slightly higher price
> is fine, I'm just curious.
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If anyone
>> is interested jumping in on the order I will need to know immediately. The
>> unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The downside, I don't know the
>> shipping costs off but I do know shipping will take a bit since these
>> boards are getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well don't
>> worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's have the FTDI
>> chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino without an external FTDI
>> this is a great option for a great price!
>>
>> -Will C
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> David L. Smith, Ph.D.
> Chief Scientist
>
>
>
> 3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
> Allentown, PA 18103-3686
> 484-664-1002 x111
> david at davincisciencecenter.org
> http://www.davincisciencecenter.org
>
>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 20:17:43 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:17:43 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Transistor terminology explained
Message-ID: <CAO8063UWyp0vYmVyN=Z8bAsUwVZP9o_1LEC823NOUARzakSg9w@mail.gmail.com>

I found this video a while ago and it's amazing for explaining how
transistors are used.... with vacuum tubes. The theory still applies and
this is stupidly simple to talk about how transistors work (n-channel cmos
and npn BJT's). To understand how P-channel or PNP transistors work...
reverse the polarity!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eDb8ojvreo

-Will C

This email is per conversation I heard at the space behind me.
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 01:15:20 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 02:15:20 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Video from friends in the South!
Message-ID: <CAO8063Xj39s==zTU3ge-uzidCZimdV8kzhLvVxmJ2TbWxcRDzA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Fellow hackers and makers from HackSpace Charlotte recorded a brilliant
video from a talk they hosted of Eben Upton. If you don't know who Even
Upton is, he is a founder of the Raspberry Pi foundation. If you are
interested to see his 45 minute long talk you can view it here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUTbfgpqtGE.

-Will C.
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Thu Nov 29 07:35:56 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 06:35:56 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] Video from friends in the South!
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From rhkramer at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 08:32:13 2012
From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:32:13 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201211290932.13681.rhkramer@gmail.com>

Will there be any custom's issues?

On Wednesday 28 November 2012 6:16:13 pm Will wrote:
> It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If anyone
> is interested jumping in on the order I will need to know immediately. The
> unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The downside, I don't know the
> shipping costs off but I do know shipping will take a bit since these
> boards are getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well don't
> worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's have the FTDI
> chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino without an external FTDI
> this is a great option for a great price!
>
> -Will C





From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 09:33:13 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:33:13 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
In-Reply-To: <201211290932.13681.rhkramer@gmail.com>
References: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<201211290932.13681.rhkramer@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8063XPG9wAwg4pxpfiFSv6ewX3h6FUnBk8csN466nhb5qLtA@mail.gmail.com>

Not if you have patience.

-Will C
On Nov 29, 2012 9:33 AM, "Randy Kramer" <rhkramer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Will there be any custom's issues?
>
> On Wednesday 28 November 2012 6:16:13 pm Will wrote:
> > It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If anyone
> > is interested jumping in on the order I will need to know immediately.
> The
> > unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The downside, I don't know
> the
> > shipping costs off but I do know shipping will take a bit since these
> > boards are getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well don't
> > worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's have the
> FTDI
> > chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino without an external
> FTDI
> > this is a great option for a great price!
> >
> > -Will C
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From wweik at lutron.com  Thu Nov 29 09:40:35 2012
From: wweik at lutron.com (William Weik)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:40:35 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063XPG9wAwg4pxpfiFSv6ewX3h6FUnBk8csN466nhb5qLtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<201211290932.13681.rhkramer@gmail.com>
	<CAO8063XPG9wAwg4pxpfiFSv6ewX3h6FUnBk8csN466nhb5qLtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC841F23A@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>

when would you need the money buy?
-Will W

From: Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Will
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:33 AM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!


Not if you have patience.

-Will C
On Nov 29, 2012 9:33 AM, "Randy Kramer" <rhkramer at gmail.com<mailto:rhkramer at gmail.com>> wrote:
Will there be any custom's issues?

On Wednesday 28 November 2012 6:16:13 pm Will wrote:
> It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If anyone
> is interested jumping in on the order I will need to know immediately. The
> unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The downside, I don't know the
> shipping costs off but I do know shipping will take a bit since these
> boards are getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well don't
> worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's have the FTDI
> chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino without an external FTDI
> this is a great option for a great price!
>
> -Will C



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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 09:48:52 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:48:52 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
In-Reply-To: <FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC841F23A@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>
References: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<201211290932.13681.rhkramer@gmail.com>
	<CAO8063XPG9wAwg4pxpfiFSv6ewX3h6FUnBk8csN466nhb5qLtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC841F23A@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8063UDZp-PYnT7a3cfEUr2bFiEDF9J0W8g6C20Lf5A-Xxm+g@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to be reimbursed no later than 2 weeks.

-Will C.
On Nov 29, 2012 10:43 AM, "William Weik" <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:

> when would you need the money buy?****
>
> -Will W****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Will
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:33 AM
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!****
>
> ** **
>
> Not if you have patience. ****
>
> -Will C****
>
> On Nov 29, 2012 9:33 AM, "Randy Kramer" <rhkramer at gmail.com> wrote:****
>
> Will there be any custom's issues?
>
> On Wednesday 28 November 2012 6:16:13 pm Will wrote:
> > It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If anyone
> > is interested jumping in on the order I will need to know immediately.
> The
> > unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The downside, I don't know
> the
> > shipping costs off but I do know shipping will take a bit since these
> > boards are getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well don't
> > worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's have the
> FTDI
> > chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino without an external
> FTDI
> > this is a great option for a great price!
> >
> > -Will C
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Thu Nov 29 10:03:04 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:03:04 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063UDZp-PYnT7a3cfEUr2bFiEDF9J0W8g6C20Lf5A-Xxm+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<201211290932.13681.rhkramer@gmail.com>
	<CAO8063XPG9wAwg4pxpfiFSv6ewX3h6FUnBk8csN466nhb5qLtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC841F23A@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>
	<CAO8063UDZp-PYnT7a3cfEUr2bFiEDF9J0W8g6C20Lf5A-Xxm+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANyh6VuwAdSWPXgWwR9_FFxxRvpDNwRbpNSaCpH1ggo1iEaEuA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm thinking you buy 50 of them, then build a vending machine and put them
in. ;-)

JSR/


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would like to be reimbursed no later than 2 weeks.
>
> -Will C.
> On Nov 29, 2012 10:43 AM, "William Weik" <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:
>
>> when would you need the money buy?****
>>
>> -Will W****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
>> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Will
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:33 AM
>> *To:* Build things for fun!
>> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Not if you have patience. ****
>>
>> -Will C****
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2012 9:33 AM, "Randy Kramer" <rhkramer at gmail.com> wrote:****
>>
>> Will there be any custom's issues?
>>
>> On Wednesday 28 November 2012 6:16:13 pm Will wrote:
>> > It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If
>> anyone
>> > is interested jumping in on the order I will need to know immediately.
>> The
>> > unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The downside, I don't know
>> the
>> > shipping costs off but I do know shipping will take a bit since these
>> > boards are getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well don't
>> > worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's have the
>> FTDI
>> > chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino without an external
>> FTDI
>> > this is a great option for a great price!
>> >
>> > -Will C
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 10:06:45 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:06:45 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VuwAdSWPXgWwR9_FFxxRvpDNwRbpNSaCpH1ggo1iEaEuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<201211290932.13681.rhkramer@gmail.com>
	<CAO8063XPG9wAwg4pxpfiFSv6ewX3h6FUnBk8csN466nhb5qLtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC841F23A@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>
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We're at 40 now it seems.

-Will C

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Josiah Ritchie
<josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> I'm thinking you buy 50 of them, then build a vending machine and put them
> in. ;-)
>
> JSR/
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would like to be reimbursed no later than 2 weeks.
>>
>> -Will C.
>> On Nov 29, 2012 10:43 AM, "William Weik" <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:
>>
>>> when would you need the money buy?****
>>>
>>> -Will W****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
>>> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Will
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:33 AM
>>> *To:* Build things for fun!
>>> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Not if you have patience. ****
>>>
>>> -Will C****
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2012 9:33 AM, "Randy Kramer" <rhkramer at gmail.com> wrote:****
>>>
>>> Will there be any custom's issues?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday 28 November 2012 6:16:13 pm Will wrote:
>>> > It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If
>>> anyone
>>> > is interested jumping in on the order I will need to know immediately.
>>> The
>>> > unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The downside, I don't know
>>> the
>>> > shipping costs off but I do know shipping will take a bit since these
>>> > boards are getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well
>>> don't
>>> > worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's have the
>>> FTDI
>>> > chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino without an external
>>> FTDI
>>> > this is a great option for a great price!
>>> >
>>> > -Will C
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>
>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>> ****
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>
>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Thu Nov 29 10:11:38 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:11:38 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063UCwqYRRVHGK_KrdanJdT8oGr6Pj6=iE4zeBeh-0tvrQQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<201211290932.13681.rhkramer@gmail.com>
	<CAO8063XPG9wAwg4pxpfiFSv6ewX3h6FUnBk8csN466nhb5qLtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC841F23A@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>
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:-) 100 than!


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> We're at 40 now it seems.
>
> -Will C
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking you buy 50 of them, then build a vending machine and put
>> them in. ;-)
>>
>> JSR/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to be reimbursed no later than 2 weeks.
>>>
>>> -Will C.
>>> On Nov 29, 2012 10:43 AM, "William Weik" <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> when would you need the money buy?****
>>>>
>>>> -Will W****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
>>>> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Will
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:33 AM
>>>> *To:* Build things for fun!
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Not if you have patience. ****
>>>>
>>>> -Will C****
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 29, 2012 9:33 AM, "Randy Kramer" <rhkramer at gmail.com> wrote:****
>>>>
>>>> Will there be any custom's issues?
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday 28 November 2012 6:16:13 pm Will wrote:
>>>> > It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If
>>>> anyone
>>>> > is interested jumping in on the order I will need to know
>>>> immediately. The
>>>> > unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The downside, I don't
>>>> know the
>>>> > shipping costs off but I do know shipping will take a bit since these
>>>> > boards are getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well
>>>> don't
>>>> > worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's have the
>>>> FTDI
>>>> > chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino without an
>>>> external FTDI
>>>> > this is a great option for a great price!
>>>> >
>>>> > -Will C
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>>
>>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>>> ****
>>>>
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>>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>>
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>>
>>
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>>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Thu Nov 29 10:06:21 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:06:21 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Last chance before it goes to electronics recycling
Message-ID: <CANyh6VvPPYFGptcSchuJ4nVWfMWua11admKseX0Dr9CHRqJibQ@mail.gmail.com>

Tonight, I'm going to bring a van load of stuff that goes to recycling
tomorrow. Anyone is welcome to go through it for tomorrow it will be passed
off to be melted down.

A lot of it is computer cases, printers and related equipment. There are
some UPS batteries power supplies and the like.

JSR/

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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 10:16:18 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:16:18 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VsGYzkz+ejSrXcgS5CPcJbk2pite79bAHMNaz9x8d7-+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<201211290932.13681.rhkramer@gmail.com>
	<CAO8063XPG9wAwg4pxpfiFSv6ewX3h6FUnBk8csN466nhb5qLtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE39633931BACA4EA998264F093E1532AFC841F23A@MB002.cb.intra.lutron.com>
	<CAO8063UDZp-PYnT7a3cfEUr2bFiEDF9J0W8g6C20Lf5A-Xxm+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANyh6VuwAdSWPXgWwR9_FFxxRvpDNwRbpNSaCpH1ggo1iEaEuA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO8063UCwqYRRVHGK_KrdanJdT8oGr6Pj6=iE4zeBeh-0tvrQQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANyh6VsGYzkz+ejSrXcgS5CPcJbk2pite79bAHMNaz9x8d7-+A@mail.gmail.com>
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The slippery slope begins.

-Will C


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Josiah Ritchie
<josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> :-) 100 than!
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We're at 40 now it seems.
>>
>> -Will C
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Josiah Ritchie <
>> josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking you buy 50 of them, then build a vending machine and put
>>> them in. ;-)
>>>
>>> JSR/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to be reimbursed no later than 2 weeks.
>>>>
>>>> -Will C.
>>>> On Nov 29, 2012 10:43 AM, "William Weik" <wweik at lutron.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> when would you need the money buy?****
>>>>>
>>>>> -Will W****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
>>>>> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Will
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:33 AM
>>>>> *To:* Build things for fun!
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> Not if you have patience. ****
>>>>>
>>>>> -Will C****
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012 9:33 AM, "Randy Kramer" <rhkramer at gmail.com> wrote:***
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> Will there be any custom's issues?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday 28 November 2012 6:16:13 pm Will wrote:
>>>>> > It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> > is interested jumping in on the order I will need to know
>>>>> immediately. The
>>>>> > unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The downside, I don't
>>>>> know the
>>>>> > shipping costs off but I do know shipping will take a bit since these
>>>>> > boards are getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well
>>>>> don't
>>>>> > worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's have
>>>>> the FTDI
>>>>> > chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino without an
>>>>> external FTDI
>>>>> > this is a great option for a great price!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -Will C
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>>>
>>>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
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>>>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>>>
>>>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
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>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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From rob at pabut.org  Thu Nov 29 12:03:31 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob Roschewsk)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:03:31 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
In-Reply-To: <CAO8063XY+Xss7AwA_0t7_XxM2y5_JB1Ga7xm+kagC1PDFQcePg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKY0pFTkBBtbanFBJdzRihsXsDXOe=DoTV0ye_93eBqLKY7AoQ@mail.gmail.com>
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That seems like a really good site ... lots of cheap arduino /
microcontroller building blocks .... an Ethernet shield for <$20 ....
impressive ...

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just checked the price. The holidays must be jacking up the price
> because now the price is $10.99. The shipping on the ENTIRE order is $0.01!
> So shipping is negligible.  The link in question for everyone is this:
> http://dx.com/p/nano-v3-0-avr-atmega328-p-20au-module-board-usb-cable-for-arduino-118037
>
> -Will C
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:56 PM, David Smith <
> david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
>
>> Will, I'll take 4.  The link you sent me showed a price of $9.46 for the
>> 10+  Is there tax or is this a different product? The slightly higher price
>> is fine, I'm just curious.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hey guys,
>>>
>>> It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If
>>> anyone is interested jumping in on the order I will need to
>>> know immediately. The unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The
>>> downside, I don't know the shipping costs off but I do know shipping will
>>> take a bit since these boards are getting ordered from China. If you want
>>> one later, well don't worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These
>>> nano's have the FTDI chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino
>>> without an external FTDI this is a great option for a great price!
>>>
>>> -Will C
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>
>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David L. Smith, Ph.D.
>> Chief Scientist
>>
>>
>>
>> 3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
>> Allentown, PA 18103-3686
>> 484-664-1002 x111
>> david at davincisciencecenter.org
>> http://www.davincisciencecenter.org
>>
>>
>>
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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 12:17:47 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:17:47 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
In-Reply-To: <CAE1O4xpEhRd896pb9bCqVUWzGBDwTf9Vpo0b6-pFvcqrRf9naw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKY0pFTkBBtbanFBJdzRihsXsDXOe=DoTV0ye_93eBqLKY7AoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO8063XY+Xss7AwA_0t7_XxM2y5_JB1Ga7xm+kagC1PDFQcePg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1O4xpEhRd896pb9bCqVUWzGBDwTf9Vpo0b6-pFvcqrRf9naw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJMBNhsvVE+OE70APLskhfbCuAu0Aj6UzL-owR3+N1p4agBETw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in for 2 of the nanos

-Jeff Minton

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:

> That seems like a really good site ... lots of cheap arduino /
> microcontroller building blocks .... an Ethernet shield for <$20 ....
> impressive ...
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I just checked the price. The holidays must be jacking up the price
>> because now the price is $10.99. The shipping on the ENTIRE order is $0.01!
>> So shipping is negligible.  The link in question for everyone is this:
>> http://dx.com/p/nano-v3-0-avr-atmega328-p-20au-module-board-usb-cable-for-arduino-118037
>>
>> -Will C
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:56 PM, David Smith <
>> david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Will, I'll take 4.  The link you sent me showed a price of $9.46 for the
>>> 10+  Is there tax or is this a different product? The slightly higher price
>>> is fine, I'm just curious.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>> It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If
>>>> anyone is interested jumping in on the order I will need to
>>>> know immediately. The unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The
>>>> downside, I don't know the shipping costs off but I do know shipping will
>>>> take a bit since these boards are getting ordered from China. If you want
>>>> one later, well don't worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These
>>>> nano's have the FTDI chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino
>>>> without an external FTDI this is a great option for a great price!
>>>>
>>>> -Will C
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>>
>>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David L. Smith, Ph.D.
>>> Chief Scientist
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
>>> Allentown, PA 18103-3686
>>> 484-664-1002 x111
>>> david at davincisciencecenter.org
>>> http://www.davincisciencecenter.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From wweik at lutron.com  Thu Nov 29 12:48:11 2012
From: wweik at lutron.com (William Weik)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:48:11 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
In-Reply-To: <CAJMBNhsvVE+OE70APLskhfbCuAu0Aj6UzL-owR3+N1p4agBETw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8063WiKw1UsOz5+6_dpKX9gM8p4kEdyttQTCeh21vLU3k_uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKY0pFTkBBtbanFBJdzRihsXsDXOe=DoTV0ye_93eBqLKY7AoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO8063XY+Xss7AwA_0t7_XxM2y5_JB1Ga7xm+kagC1PDFQcePg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1O4xpEhRd896pb9bCqVUWzGBDwTf9Vpo0b6-pFvcqrRf9naw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJMBNhsvVE+OE70APLskhfbCuAu0Aj6UzL-owR3+N1p4agBETw@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm in for just 1

From: Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Minton
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!

I'm in for 2 of the nanos

-Jeff Minton
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org<mailto:rob at pabut.org>> wrote:
That seems like a really good site ... lots of cheap arduino / microcontroller building blocks .... an Ethernet shield for <$20 .... impressive ...

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com<mailto:staticphantom at gmail.com>> wrote:
I just checked the price. The holidays must be jacking up the price because now the price is $10.99. The shipping on the ENTIRE order is $0.01! So shipping is negligible.  The link in question for everyone is this: http://dx.com/p/nano-v3-0-avr-atmega328-p-20au-module-board-usb-cable-for-arduino-118037

-Will C
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:56 PM, David Smith <david at davincisciencecenter.org<mailto:david at davincisciencecenter.org>> wrote:
Will, I'll take 4.  The link you sent me showed a price of $9.46 for the 10+  Is there tax or is this a different product? The slightly higher price is fine, I'm just curious.

Dave
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com<mailto:staticphantom at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey guys,

It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If anyone is interested jumping in on the order I will need to know immediately. The unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The downside, I don't know the shipping costs off but I do know shipping will take a bit since these boards are getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well don't worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's have the FTDI chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino without an external FTDI this is a great option for a great price!

-Will C

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From bamag at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 29 13:22:16 2012
From: bamag at yahoo.com (Jim Green)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:22:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
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Put me down for 4 Nanos.
?
Jim Green


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From: William Weik <wweik at lutron.com>
To: Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com> 
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!


I'm in for just 1
?
From:Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Minton
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
To: Build things for fun!
Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
?
I'm in for 2 of the nanos
?
-Jeff Minton
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
That seems like a really good site ... lots of cheap arduino / microcontroller building blocks .... an?Ethernet?shield?for <$20 .... impressive ...?
?
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
I just checked the price. The holidays must be jacking up the price because now the price is $10.99. The shipping on the ENTIRE order is $0.01! So shipping is?negligible. ?The link in question for everyone is this:?http://dx.com/p/nano-v3-0-avr-atmega328-p-20au-module-board-usb-cable-for-arduino-118037
?
-Will C
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:56 PM, David Smith <david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
Will, I'll take 4.? The link you sent me showed a price of $9.46 for the 10+? Is there tax or is this a different product? The slightly higher price is fine, I'm just curious.? 

Dave
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys,?
>?
>It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If anyone is interested jumping in on the order I will need to know?immediately. The unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The downside, I don't know the shipping costs off but I do know shipping will take a bit since these boards are getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well don't worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's have the FTDI chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino without an external FTDI this is a great option for a great price!
>?
>-Will C
>?
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From saxywolf at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 13:39:41 2012
From: saxywolf at gmail.com (Ellis Farmer)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:39:41 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...

Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.

*e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
fuel is included in both

However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for TWO
1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using it.
I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.

The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I don't
think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair long enough
(obviously not, but seriously...)?*

We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at 7pm, but
*we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does anyone recall
when we arrived at the faire?*

-Ellis
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Thu Nov 29 13:56:58 2012
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:56:58 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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From jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 14:06:15 2012
From: jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com (Jeremy Sawruk)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:06:15 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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Yes, I would not recommend traveling through Manhattan again. I would
recommend either the Verrazano or George Washington Bridge.


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> The issues related to the overall trip time weren't departure and arrival,
> but the journey.  It took nearly 3hrs each way, plus that Manhattan route
> home.
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
> From: Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, November 29, 2012 12:39 pm
> To: MakeLehighValley <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>
> Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...
>
> Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>
> *e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
> 55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
> 55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
> fuel is included in both
>
> However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for TWO
> 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using it.
> I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>
> The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I don't
> think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair long enough
> (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>
> We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at 7pm,
> but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does anyone
> recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>
> -Ellis
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 14:28:49 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:28:49 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
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So far as it stands including my Arduino's, David's, Jareds, Jeffs, Lou,
Kyle, Jim Green, Will W, and DaVinci we are looking at a total of 45
Arduino Nano's. 5 more and Josiah said he will build a vending machine (he
didn't, but his idea so he has to do it).

-Will C

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Jim Green <bamag at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Put me down for 4 Nanos.
>
> Jim Green
>
>   *From:* William Weik <wweik at lutron.com>
> *To:* Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:48 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
>
>   I'm in for just 1
>
>  *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey
> Minton
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
> *To:* Build things for fun!
> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
>
> I'm in for 2 of the nanos
>
>  -Jeff Minton
>  On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
> That seems like a really good site ... lots of cheap arduino /
> microcontroller building blocks .... an Ethernet shield for <$20 ....
> impressive ...
>
>  On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just checked the price. The holidays must be jacking up the price
> because now the price is $10.99. The shipping on the ENTIRE order is $0.01!
> So shipping is negligible.  The link in question for everyone is this:
> http://dx.com/p/nano-v3-0-avr-atmega328-p-20au-module-board-usb-cable-for-arduino-118037
>
>  -Will C
>  On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:56 PM, David Smith <
> david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
> Will, I'll take 4.  The link you sent me showed a price of $9.46 for the
> 10+  Is there tax or is this a different product? The slightly higher price
> is fine, I'm just curious.
>
> Dave
>   On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Hey guys,
>
>  It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If
> anyone is interested jumping in on the order I will need to
> know immediately. The unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The
> downside, I don't know the shipping costs off but I do know shipping will
> take a bit since these boards are getting ordered from China. If you want
> one later, well don't worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These
> nano's have the FTDI chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino
> without an external FTDI this is a great option for a great price!
>
>  -Will C
>
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From rob at pabut.org  Thu Nov 29 14:32:21 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob Roschewsk)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:32:21 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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Maybe we should consider a sleep over :) two days at the fair ....

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yes, I would not recommend traveling through Manhattan again. I would
> recommend either the Verrazano or George Washington Bridge.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>
>> The issues related to the overall trip time weren't departure and
>> arrival, but the journey.  It took nearly 3hrs each way, plus that
>> Manhattan route home.
>>
>>  -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
>> From: Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, November 29, 2012 12:39 pm
>> To: MakeLehighValley <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>>
>> Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...
>>
>> Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>>
>> *e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
>> 55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
>> 55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
>> fuel is included in both
>>
>> However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for TWO
>> 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using it.
>> I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>>
>> The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I don't
>> think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair long enough
>> (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>>
>> We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at 7pm,
>> but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does anyone
>> recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>>
>> -Ellis
>> ------------------------------
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From whatever at taggers.org  Thu Nov 29 16:18:03 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:18:03 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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what other amenities do these buses have? because it looks like we're 
talking a $500 bathroom here.
we could use two different bus companies possibly.

quick math if count on 25 (about what we had last year)
its 47.20 per person nearly double.. unsurprisingly.
On 11/29/2012 2:39 PM, Ellis Farmer wrote:
> Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...
>
> Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>
> _e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:_
> 55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
> 55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
> fuel is included in both
>
> However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for 
> TWO 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not 
> using it.  I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>
> The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I 
> don't think other places have that limit. *Were we at the fair long 
> enough (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>
> We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at 
> 7pm, but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm? Does 
> anyone recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>
> -Ellis
>
>
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From whatever at taggers.org  Thu Nov 29 16:20:45 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:20:45 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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not a bad idea but this probably greatly increases our costs... if we do 
4 to a room the hotel shouldn't be too much more though.  is there 
anything else going on that weekend in NY? thinking either filling empty 
seats with people who have no intention of going to makerfaire or what 
else we'd do on in NY

On 11/29/2012 3:32 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
> Maybe we should consider a sleep over :) two days at the fair ....
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Jeremy Sawruk 
> <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com <mailto:jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Yes, I would not recommend traveling through Manhattan again. I
>     would recommend either the Verrazano or George Washington Bridge.
>
>
>     On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com
>     <mailto:steckelj at jaredsroom.com>> wrote:
>
>         The issues related to the overall trip time weren't departure
>         and arrival, but the journey.  It took nearly 3hrs each way,
>         plus that Manhattan route home.
>
>             -------- Original Message --------
>             Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
>             From: Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com
>             <mailto:saxywolf at gmail.com>>
>             Date: Thu, November 29, 2012 12:39 pm
>             To: MakeLehighValley
>             <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>             <mailto:makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>>
>
>             Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all
>             tonight, but...
>
>             Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>
>             _e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:_
>             55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes
>             18% gratuity)
>             55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
>             fuel is included in both
>
>             However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent
>             TWO buses for TWO 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for
>             the 6-8 hours we are not using it.  I don't think all the
>             companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>
>             The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions,
>             though I don't think other places have that limit. *Were
>             we at the fair long enough (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>
>             We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get
>             back at 7pm, but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the
>             faire at 5pm?  Does anyone recall when we arrived at the
>             faire?*
>
>             -Ellis
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Thu Nov 29 16:23:18 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:23:18 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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More comfortable seats... much more comfortable, but you make a good point.

JSR/


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:

>  what other amenities do these buses have? because it looks like we're
> talking a $500 bathroom here.
> we could use two different bus companies possibly.
>
> quick math if count on 25 (about what we had last year)
> its 47.20 per person nearly double.. unsurprisingly.
>
> On 11/29/2012 2:39 PM, Ellis Farmer wrote:
>
> Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...
>
> Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>
> *e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
> 55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
> 55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
> fuel is included in both
>
> However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for TWO
> 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using it.
> I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>
> The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I don't
> think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair long enough
> (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>
> We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at 7pm,
> but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does anyone
> recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>
> -Ellis
>
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From henryancker at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 29 16:34:30 2012
From: henryancker at yahoo.com (henry ancker)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:34:30 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Makelehighvalley Digest, Vol 25, Issue 63
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Is it too large to add an order for 3 and join the training?

Henry

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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:22:16 -0800 (PST)
>From: Jim Green <bamag at yahoo.com>
>To: Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
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>Put me down for 4 Nanos.
>?
>Jim Green
>
>
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>From: William Weik <wweik at lutron.com>
>To: Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
>
>
>I'm in for just 1
>?
>From:Makelehighvalley [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Minton
>Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
>To: Build things for fun!
>Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
>?
>I'm in for 2 of the nanos
>?
>-Jeff Minton
>On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
>That seems like a really good site ... lots of cheap arduino / microcontroller building blocks .... an?Ethernet?shield?for <$20 .... impressive ...?
>?
>On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>I just checked the price. The holidays must be jacking up the price because now the price is $10.99. The shipping on the ENTIRE order is $0.01! So shipping is?negligible. ?The link in question for everyone is this:?http://dx.com/p/nano-v3-0-avr-atmega328-p-20au-module-board-usb-cable-for-arduino-118037
>?
>-Will C
>On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:56 PM, David Smith <david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
>Will, I'll take 4.? The link you sent me showed a price of $9.46 for the 10+? Is there tax or is this a different product? The slightly higher price is fine, I'm just curious.? 
>
>Dave
>On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>Hey guys,?
>>?
>>It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If anyone is interested jumping in on the order I will need to know?immediately. The unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The downside, I don't know the shipping costs off but I do know shipping will take a bit since these boards are getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well don't worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's have the FTDI chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino without an external FTDI this is a great option for a great price!
>>?
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>From: Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com>
>To: MakeLehighValley <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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>Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...
>
>Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>
>*e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
>55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
>55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
>fuel is included in both
>
>However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for TWO
>1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using it.
>I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>
>The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I don't
>think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair long enough
>(obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>
>We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at 7pm, but
>*we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does anyone recall
>when we arrived at the faire?*
>
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>From: Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com>
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>Subject: Re: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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>Yes, I would not recommend traveling through Manhattan again. I would
>recommend either the Verrazano or George Washington Bridge.
>
>
>On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>
>> The issues related to the overall trip time weren't departure and arrival,
>> but the journey.  It took nearly 3hrs each way, plus that Manhattan route
>> home.
>>
>>  -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
>> From: Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, November 29, 2012 12:39 pm
>> To: MakeLehighValley <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>>
>> Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...
>>
>> Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>>
>> *e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
>> 55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
>> 55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
>> fuel is included in both
>>
>> However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for TWO
>> 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using it.
>> I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>>
>> The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I don't
>> think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair long enough
>> (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>>
>> We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at 7pm,
>> but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does anyone
>> recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>>
>> -Ellis
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From rob at pabut.org  Thu Nov 29 16:32:53 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob Roschewsk)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:32:53 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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Just seems so counter intuitive ....you would think "mass transit" (granted
it's not real mass transit) would be cheaper than driving .... these are
all looking like $25 per person .... I had 4 people in my car it it was no
where NEAR $100 .. actual cost was probably <$50 ... Granted at the
IRS Mileage rate ($0.55/mi) you're getting to break even ....

Sorry nothing constructive to add just ranting :)



On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:18 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:

>  what other amenities do these buses have? because it looks like we're
> talking a $500 bathroom here.
> we could use two different bus companies possibly.
>
> quick math if count on 25 (about what we had last year)
> its 47.20 per person nearly double.. unsurprisingly.
> On 11/29/2012 2:39 PM, Ellis Farmer wrote:
>
> Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...
>
> Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>
> *e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
> 55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
> 55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
> fuel is included in both
>
> However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for TWO
> 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using it.
> I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>
> The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I don't
> think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair long enough
> (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>
> We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at 7pm,
> but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does anyone
> recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>
> -Ellis
>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 16:40:50 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:40:50 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Makelehighvalley Digest, Vol 25, Issue 63
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No it is not. We're taking orders till Friday night (or a lucky bastard
manages to get a hold of me saturday). Since our volume is going to be so
high, we're splitting the order now between DaVinci and personal orders
from people at the space. I am going to round to the nearest dollar so I
don't have to give out exact change. Everyone has been for warned.

-Will C

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:34 PM, henry ancker <henryancker at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Is it too large to add an order for 3 and join the training?
>
> Henry
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> >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:22:16 -0800 (PST)
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> >Put me down for 4 Nanos.
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> >
> >________________________________
> >From: William Weik <wweik at lutron.com>
> >To: Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:48 PM
> >Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
> >
> >
> >I'm in for just 1
> >?
> >From:Makelehighvalley [mailto:
> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Minton
> >Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
> >To: Build things for fun!
> >Subject: Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
> >?
> >I'm in for 2 of the nanos
> >?
> >-Jeff Minton
> >On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
> >That seems like a really good site ... lots of cheap arduino /
> microcontroller building blocks .... an?Ethernet?shield?for <$20 ....
> impressive ...?
> >?
> >On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
> >I just checked the price. The holidays must be jacking up the price
> because now the price is $10.99. The shipping on the ENTIRE order is $0.01!
> So shipping is?negligible. ?The link in question for everyone is this:?
> http://dx.com/p/nano-v3-0-avr-atmega328-p-20au-module-board-usb-cable-for-arduino-118037
> >?
> >-Will C
> >On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:56 PM, David Smith <
> david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
> >Will, I'll take 4.? The link you sent me showed a price of $9.46 for the
> 10+? Is there tax or is this a different product? The slightly higher price
> is fine, I'm just curious.?
> >
> >Dave
> >On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
> >Hey guys,?
> >>?
> >>It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If
> anyone is interested jumping in on the order I will need to
> know?immediately. The unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The
> downside, I don't know the shipping costs off but I do know shipping will
> take a bit since these boards are getting ordered from China. If you want
> one later, well don't worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These
> nano's have the FTDI chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino
> without an external FTDI this is a great option for a great price!
> >>?
> >>-Will C
> >>?
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> >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:39:41 -0500
> >From: Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com>
> >To: MakeLehighValley <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
> >Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
> >Message-ID:
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> >Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...
> >
> >Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
> >
> >*e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
> >55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
> >55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
> >fuel is included in both
> >
> >However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for TWO
> >1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using it.
> >I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
> >
> >The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I don't
> >think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair long enough
> >(obviously not, but seriously...)?*
> >
> >We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at 7pm,
> but
> >*we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does anyone recall
> >when we arrived at the faire?*
> >
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> >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:56:58 -0700
> >From: <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>
> >To: "Build things for fun!" <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
> >Subject: Re: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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> >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:06:15 -0500
> >From: Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com>
> >To: "Build things for fun!" <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
> >Subject: Re: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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> >Yes, I would not recommend traveling through Manhattan again. I would
> >recommend either the Verrazano or George Washington Bridge.
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The issues related to the overall trip time weren't departure and
> arrival,
> >> but the journey.  It took nearly 3hrs each way, plus that Manhattan
> route
> >> home.
> >>
> >>  -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
> >> From: Ellis Farmer <saxywolf at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Thu, November 29, 2012 12:39 pm
> >> To: MakeLehighValley <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
> >>
> >> Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...
> >>
> >> Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
> >>
> >> *e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
> >> 55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
> >> 55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
> >> fuel is included in both
> >>
> >> However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for
> TWO
> >> 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using
> it.
> >> I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
> >>
> >> The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I
> don't
> >> think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair long enough
> >> (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
> >>
> >> We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at 7pm,
> >> but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does anyone
> >> recall when we arrived at the faire?*
> >>
> >> -Ellis
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From whatever at taggers.org  Thu Nov 29 16:44:51 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:44:51 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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seems to have a greater capacity too and more storage i'd wager.... two 
things i'm not really worried about

On 11/29/2012 5:23 PM, Josiah Ritchie wrote:
> More comfortable seats... much more comfortable, but you make a good 
> point.
>
> JSR/
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org 
> <mailto:whatever at taggers.org>> wrote:
>
>     what other amenities do these buses have? because it looks like
>     we're talking a $500 bathroom here.
>     we could use two different bus companies possibly.
>
>     quick math if count on 25 (about what we had last year)
>     its 47.20 per person nearly double.. unsurprisingly.
>
>     On 11/29/2012 2:39 PM, Ellis Farmer wrote:
>>     Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight,
>>     but...
>>
>>     Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>>
>>     _e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:_
>>     55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18%
>>     gratuity)
>>     55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
>>     fuel is included in both
>>
>>     However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses
>>     for TWO 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we
>>     are not using it.  I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm
>>     looking into it.
>>
>>     The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though
>>     I don't think other places have that limit. *Were we at the fair
>>     long enough (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>>
>>     We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back
>>     at 7pm, but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm? 
>>     Does anyone recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>>
>>     -Ellis
>>
>>
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From whatever at taggers.org  Thu Nov 29 16:56:03 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:56:03 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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its cheaper then driving... figure its almost two tanks of gas and 
probably 25 in tolls plus parking (which is probably about 8 bucks) 
depending on fuel economy so about 133/4 so 33.25 yeah ok its not 
cheaper.... still more environmentally friendly and the more we pack on 
the bus the cheaper it gets (i figured 25 because that was our 
approximate turnout for last year) if we fill the expensive bus it comes 
out to a svelte (spell check) 21.45 per person. if we fill the cheap bus 
figuiring it seats 40 its 12.50 a seat.

On 11/29/2012 5:32 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
> Just seems so counter intuitive ....you would think "mass transit" 
> (granted it's not real mass transit) would be cheaper than driving 
> .... these are all looking like $25 per person .... I had 4 people in 
> my car it it was no where NEAR $100 .. actual cost was probably <$50 
> ... Granted at the IRS Mileage rate ($0.55/mi) you're getting to break 
> even ....
>
> Sorry nothing constructive to add just ranting :)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:18 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org 
> <mailto:whatever at taggers.org>> wrote:
>
>     what other amenities do these buses have? because it looks like
>     we're talking a $500 bathroom here.
>     we could use two different bus companies possibly.
>
>     quick math if count on 25 (about what we had last year)
>     its 47.20 per person nearly double.. unsurprisingly.
>     On 11/29/2012 2:39 PM, Ellis Farmer wrote:
>>     Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight,
>>     but...
>>
>>     Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>>
>>     _e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:_
>>     55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18%
>>     gratuity)
>>     55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
>>     fuel is included in both
>>
>>     However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses
>>     for TWO 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we
>>     are not using it.  I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm
>>     looking into it.
>>
>>     The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though
>>     I don't think other places have that limit. *Were we at the fair
>>     long enough (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>>
>>     We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back
>>     at 7pm, but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm? 
>>     Does anyone recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>>
>>     -Ellis
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
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>>     Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com  <mailto:Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 17:40:38 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:40:38 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Open Hack
Message-ID: <CAJMBNhtV36r=rAKR3OJncDZUoGZXzsAor7F9=tBzR3LrfA-o1Q@mail.gmail.com>

I won't be able to make it tonight. I got an assignment at work today that
I have to work on. You'll all have to wait a little longer for the
prototype of my awesome over the top doorbell.

-Jeff
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 18:05:54 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:05:54 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Open Hack
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You will be missed, especially because my AVR programmer came in and I
wanted to test it with one of your AT Tiny's.

-Will C.


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Jeffrey Minton <jeffrey.minton at gmail.com>wrote:

> I won't be able to make it tonight. I got an assignment at work today that
> I have to work on. You'll all have to wait a little longer for the
> prototype of my awesome over the top doorbell.
>
> -Jeff
>
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From rob at pabut.org  Thu Nov 29 20:01:21 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob Roschewsk)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:01:21 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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What do you drive a Hummer ?? :) .. It's 206 miles from round trip from the
HIVE to Citifield .... My car gets 30MPG on a BAD DAY ... rounding up
that's 7 gallons ... at $4/gal that's still just $28 ... $20 for tolls, $10
parking ... OK so $58 ... That's still $14.50/person .... I'm just sayin' :)

So $15 a person is probably a reasonable target.

I'm betting a good portion of the bus rate is the cost of the driver ....



On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:56 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:

>  its cheaper then driving... figure its almost two tanks of gas and
> probably 25 in tolls plus parking (which is probably about 8 bucks)
> depending on fuel economy so about 133/4 so 33.25 yeah ok its not
> cheaper.... still more environmentally friendly and the more we pack on the
> bus the cheaper it gets (i figured 25 because that was our approximate
> turnout for last year) if we fill the expensive bus it comes out to a
> svelte (spell check) 21.45 per person. if we fill the cheap bus figuiring
> it seats 40 its 12.50 a seat.
>
> On 11/29/2012 5:32 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>
> Just seems so counter intuitive ....you would think "mass transit"
> (granted it's not real mass transit) would be cheaper than driving ....
> these are all looking like $25 per person .... I had 4 people in my car it
> it was no where NEAR $100 .. actual cost was probably <$50 ... Granted at
> the IRS Mileage rate ($0.55/mi) you're getting to break even ....
>
>  Sorry nothing constructive to add just ranting :)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:18 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>
>>  what other amenities do these buses have? because it looks like we're
>> talking a $500 bathroom here.
>> we could use two different bus companies possibly.
>>
>> quick math if count on 25 (about what we had last year)
>> its 47.20 per person nearly double.. unsurprisingly.
>> On 11/29/2012 2:39 PM, Ellis Farmer wrote:
>>
>> Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...
>>
>> Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>>
>> *e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
>> 55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
>> 55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
>> fuel is included in both
>>
>> However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for TWO
>> 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using it.
>> I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>>
>> The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I don't
>> think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair long enough
>> (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>>
>> We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at 7pm,
>> but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does anyone
>> recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>>
>> -Ellis
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From wrh304 at Lehigh.EDU  Thu Nov 29 22:34:15 2012
From: wrh304 at Lehigh.EDU (Bill Heffner)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:34:15 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
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Can you put Bill in for 2 of these?  Hate to miss the party. Thanks.

On 11/29/2012 3:28 PM, Will wrote:
> So far as it stands including my Arduino's, David's, Jareds, Jeffs, 
> Lou, Kyle, Jim Green, Will W, and DaVinci we are looking at a total of 
> 45 Arduino Nano's. 5 more and Josiah said he will build a vending 
> machine (he didn't, but his idea so he has to do it).
>
> -Will C
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Jim Green <bamag at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:bamag at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>     Put me down for 4 Nanos.
>     Jim Green
>
>     *From:* William Weik <wweik at lutron.com <mailto:wweik at lutron.com>>
>     *To:* Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>     <mailto:makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:48 PM
>
>     *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
>
>     I'm in for just 1
>     *From:*Makelehighvalley
>     [mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com
>     <mailto:makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com>] *On Behalf
>     Of *Jeffrey Minton
>     *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
>     *To:* Build things for fun!
>     *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
>     I'm in for 2 of the nanos
>     -Jeff Minton
>     On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org
>     <mailto:rob at pabut.org>> wrote:
>     That seems like a really good site ... lots of cheap arduino /
>     microcontroller building blocks .... an Ethernet shield for <$20
>     .... impressive ...
>     On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com
>     <mailto:staticphantom at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     I just checked the price. The holidays must be jacking up the
>     price because now the price is $10.99. The shipping on the ENTIRE
>     order is $0.01! So shipping is negligible.  The link in question
>     for everyone is this:
>     http://dx.com/p/nano-v3-0-avr-atmega328-p-20au-module-board-usb-cable-for-arduino-118037
>     -Will C
>     On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:56 PM, David Smith
>     <david at davincisciencecenter.org
>     <mailto:david at davincisciencecenter.org>> wrote:
>     Will, I'll take 4.  The link you sent me showed a price of $9.46
>     for the 10+  Is there tax or is this a different product? The
>     slightly higher price is fine, I'm just curious.
>
>     Dave
>     On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com
>     <mailto:staticphantom at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hey guys,
>         It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the
>         course. If anyone is interested jumping in on the order I will
>         need to know immediately. The unit price comes down to about
>         $11 a piece. The downside, I don't know the shipping costs off
>         but I do know shipping will take a bit since these boards are
>         getting ordered from China. If you want one later, well don't
>         worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These nano's
>         have the FTDI chip directly on board so if you want a
>         boardduino without an external FTDI this is a great option for
>         a great price!
>         -Will C
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>
>
>     -- 
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>     Chief Scientist
>
>     *Error! Filename not specified.*
>
>
>     3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
>     Allentown, PA 18103-3686
>     484-664-1002 x111
>     david at davincisciencecenter.org <mailto:david at davincisciencecenter.org>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 22:37:27 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:37:27 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
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Will do and that makes 50!

-Will C
On Nov 29, 2012 11:36 PM, "Bill Heffner" <wrh304 at lehigh.edu> wrote:

>  Can you put Bill in for 2 of these?  Hate to miss the party.  Thanks.
>
> On 11/29/2012 3:28 PM, Will wrote:
>
> So far as it stands including my Arduino's, David's, Jareds, Jeffs, Lou,
> Kyle, Jim Green, Will W, and DaVinci we are looking at a total of 45
> Arduino Nano's. 5 more and Josiah said he will build a vending machine (he
> didn't, but his idea so he has to do it).
>
>  -Will C
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Jim Green <bamag at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>  Put me down for 4 Nanos.
>>
>> Jim Green
>>
>>    *From:* William Weik <wweik at lutron.com>
>> *To:* Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:48 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
>>
>>    I'm in for just 1
>>
>>  *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
>> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey
>> Minton
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
>> *To:* Build things for fun!
>> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
>>
>> I'm in for 2 of the nanos
>>
>>   -Jeff Minton
>>   On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
>> That seems like a really good site ... lots of cheap arduino /
>> microcontroller building blocks .... an Ethernet shield for <$20 ....
>> impressive ...
>>
>>   On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just checked the price. The holidays must be jacking up the price
>> because now the price is $10.99. The shipping on the ENTIRE order is $0.01!
>> So shipping is negligible.  The link in question for everyone is this:
>> http://dx.com/p/nano-v3-0-avr-atmega328-p-20au-module-board-usb-cable-for-arduino-118037
>>
>>   -Will C
>>   On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:56 PM, David Smith <
>> david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
>> Will, I'll take 4.  The link you sent me showed a price of $9.46 for the
>> 10+  Is there tax or is this a different product? The slightly higher price
>> is fine, I'm just curious.
>>
>> Dave
>>   On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Hey guys,
>>
>>  It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If
>> anyone is interested jumping in on the order I will need to
>> know immediately. The unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The
>> downside, I don't know the shipping costs off but I do know shipping will
>> take a bit since these boards are getting ordered from China. If you want
>> one later, well don't worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These
>> nano's have the FTDI chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino
>> without an external FTDI this is a great option for a great price!
>>
>>  -Will C
>>
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>>
>> --
>> David L. Smith, Ph.D.
>> Chief Scientist
>>
>> *Error! Filename not specified.*
>>
>>
>> 3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
>> Allentown, PA 18103-3686
>> 484-664-1002 x111
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>>  http://www.davincisciencecenter.org/
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From whatever at taggers.org  Thu Nov 29 23:42:49 2012
From: whatever at taggers.org (whatever)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:42:49 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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the average car gets 300 miles to a tank so... thats one compelete fill 
up and a 1/3rd of one so more like 40+13.33 but....

On 11/29/2012 9:01 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
> What do you drive a Hummer ?? :) .. It's 206 miles from round trip 
> from the HIVE to Citifield .... My car gets 30MPG on a BAD DAY ... 
> rounding up that's 7 gallons ... at $4/gal that's still just $28 ... 
> $20 for tolls, $10 parking ... OK so $58 ... That's still 
> $14.50/person .... I'm just sayin' :)
>
> So $15 a person is probably a reasonable target.
>
> I'm betting a good portion of the bus rate is the cost of the driver ....
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:56 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org 
> <mailto:whatever at taggers.org>> wrote:
>
>     its cheaper then driving... figure its almost two tanks of gas and
>     probably 25 in tolls plus parking (which is probably about 8
>     bucks) depending on fuel economy so about 133/4 so 33.25 yeah ok
>     its not cheaper.... still more environmentally friendly and the
>     more we pack on the bus the cheaper it gets (i figured 25 because
>     that was our approximate turnout for last year) if we fill the
>     expensive bus it comes out to a svelte (spell check) 21.45 per
>     person. if we fill the cheap bus figuiring it seats 40 its 12.50 a
>     seat.
>
>     On 11/29/2012 5:32 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>>     Just seems so counter intuitive ....you would think "mass
>>     transit" (granted it's not real mass transit) would be cheaper
>>     than driving .... these are all looking like $25 per person ....
>>     I had 4 people in my car it it was no where NEAR $100 .. actual
>>     cost was probably <$50 ... Granted at the IRS Mileage rate
>>     ($0.55/mi) you're getting to break even ....
>>
>>     Sorry nothing constructive to add just ranting :)
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:18 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org
>>     <mailto:whatever at taggers.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         what other amenities do these buses have? because it looks
>>         like we're talking a $500 bathroom here.
>>         we could use two different bus companies possibly.
>>
>>         quick math if count on 25 (about what we had last year)
>>         its 47.20 per person nearly double.. unsurprisingly.
>>         On 11/29/2012 2:39 PM, Ellis Farmer wrote:
>>>         Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all
>>>         tonight, but...
>>>
>>>         Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>>>
>>>         _e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:_
>>>         55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18%
>>>         gratuity)
>>>         55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
>>>         fuel is included in both
>>>
>>>         However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO
>>>         buses for TWO 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the
>>>         6-8 hours we are not using it.  I don't think all the
>>>         companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>>>
>>>         The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions,
>>>         though I don't think other places have that limit. *Were we
>>>         at the fair long enough (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>>>
>>>         We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get
>>>         back at 7pm, but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the
>>>         faire at 5pm?  Does anyone recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>>>
>>>         -Ellis
>>>
>>>
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 02:21:02 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 03:21:02 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Wanted: Arduino Newbie
Message-ID: <CAO8063WxsEZgSf-R5uVsgCmh+jTCugZ=YPFa2xngbO4gjdPRzA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

As you know there is a class going on at the DaVinci science center that
MakeLV is making. What I need is sometime next week a complete Arduino
Newbie that wants to learn the basics. I need input on where I have
oversight in the curriculum. Feel free to reply either publicly or
privately in helping me. Also note Jim Green will probably want to critique
me so be prepared for an audience directed at me.

-Will C
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Nov 30 07:25:50 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:25:50 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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Do we have anyone around with a CDL who could do the driving for us at a
reduced rate?

JSR/


On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:42 AM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:

>  the average car gets 300 miles to a tank so... thats one compelete fill
> up and a 1/3rd of one so more like 40+13.33 but....
>
>
> On 11/29/2012 9:01 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>
> What do you drive a Hummer ?? :) .. It's 206 miles from round trip from
> the HIVE to Citifield .... My car gets 30MPG on a BAD DAY ... rounding up
> that's 7 gallons ... at $4/gal that's still just $28 ... $20 for tolls, $10
> parking ... OK so $58 ... That's still $14.50/person .... I'm just sayin' :)
>
> So $15 a person is probably a reasonable target.
>
> I'm betting a good portion of the bus rate is the cost of the driver ....
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:56 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>
>>  its cheaper then driving... figure its almost two tanks of gas and
>> probably 25 in tolls plus parking (which is probably about 8 bucks)
>> depending on fuel economy so about 133/4 so 33.25 yeah ok its not
>> cheaper.... still more environmentally friendly and the more we pack on the
>> bus the cheaper it gets (i figured 25 because that was our approximate
>> turnout for last year) if we fill the expensive bus it comes out to a
>> svelte (spell check) 21.45 per person. if we fill the cheap bus figuiring
>> it seats 40 its 12.50 a seat.
>>
>> On 11/29/2012 5:32 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>>
>> Just seems so counter intuitive ....you would think "mass transit"
>> (granted it's not real mass transit) would be cheaper than driving ....
>> these are all looking like $25 per person .... I had 4 people in my car it
>> it was no where NEAR $100 .. actual cost was probably <$50 ... Granted at
>> the IRS Mileage rate ($0.55/mi) you're getting to break even ....
>>
>>  Sorry nothing constructive to add just ranting :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:18 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>>
>>>  what other amenities do these buses have? because it looks like we're
>>> talking a $500 bathroom here.
>>> we could use two different bus companies possibly.
>>>
>>> quick math if count on 25 (about what we had last year)
>>> its 47.20 per person nearly double.. unsurprisingly.
>>> On 11/29/2012 2:39 PM, Ellis Farmer wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...
>>>
>>> Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>>>
>>> *e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
>>> 55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
>>> 55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
>>> fuel is included in both
>>>
>>> However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for
>>> TWO 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using
>>> it.  I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>>>
>>> The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I
>>> don't think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair long
>>> enough (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>>>
>>> We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at 7pm,
>>> but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does anyone
>>> recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>>>
>>> -Ellis
>>>
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From rob at pabut.org  Fri Nov 30 07:32:57 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob Roschewsk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:32:57 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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Or .... we explore the "multiple VANs" theory ... get a good rate on some
commuter vans ... then you have smaller "commitment intervals" .... i.e.
groups of 10 ...

FYI ... my son's school bought a small school bus and have been running the
teachers through getting their CDL just for the reason of class trips and
sports events etc. because bus companies have become so outrageous ....

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> Do we have anyone around with a CDL who could do the driving for us at a
> reduced rate?
>
> JSR/
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:42 AM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>
>>  the average car gets 300 miles to a tank so... thats one compelete fill
>> up and a 1/3rd of one so more like 40+13.33 but....
>>
>>
>> On 11/29/2012 9:01 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>>
>> What do you drive a Hummer ?? :) .. It's 206 miles from round trip from
>> the HIVE to Citifield .... My car gets 30MPG on a BAD DAY ... rounding up
>> that's 7 gallons ... at $4/gal that's still just $28 ... $20 for tolls, $10
>> parking ... OK so $58 ... That's still $14.50/person .... I'm just sayin' :)
>>
>> So $15 a person is probably a reasonable target.
>>
>> I'm betting a good portion of the bus rate is the cost of the driver ....
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:56 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>>
>>>  its cheaper then driving... figure its almost two tanks of gas and
>>> probably 25 in tolls plus parking (which is probably about 8 bucks)
>>> depending on fuel economy so about 133/4 so 33.25 yeah ok its not
>>> cheaper.... still more environmentally friendly and the more we pack on the
>>> bus the cheaper it gets (i figured 25 because that was our approximate
>>> turnout for last year) if we fill the expensive bus it comes out to a
>>> svelte (spell check) 21.45 per person. if we fill the cheap bus figuiring
>>> it seats 40 its 12.50 a seat.
>>>
>>> On 11/29/2012 5:32 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>>>
>>> Just seems so counter intuitive ....you would think "mass transit"
>>> (granted it's not real mass transit) would be cheaper than driving ....
>>> these are all looking like $25 per person .... I had 4 people in my car it
>>> it was no where NEAR $100 .. actual cost was probably <$50 ... Granted at
>>> the IRS Mileage rate ($0.55/mi) you're getting to break even ....
>>>
>>>  Sorry nothing constructive to add just ranting :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:18 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  what other amenities do these buses have? because it looks like we're
>>>> talking a $500 bathroom here.
>>>> we could use two different bus companies possibly.
>>>>
>>>> quick math if count on 25 (about what we had last year)
>>>> its 47.20 per person nearly double.. unsurprisingly.
>>>> On 11/29/2012 2:39 PM, Ellis Farmer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...
>>>>
>>>> Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>>>>
>>>> *e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
>>>> 55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
>>>> 55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
>>>> fuel is included in both
>>>>
>>>> However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for
>>>> TWO 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using
>>>> it.  I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>>>>
>>>> The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I
>>>> don't think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair long
>>>> enough (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>>>>
>>>> We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at 7pm,
>>>> but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does anyone
>>>> recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>>>>
>>>> -Ellis
>>>>
>>>>
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From jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 07:47:15 2012
From: jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com (Jeremy Sawruk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:47:15 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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I think having multiple vans is a better solution: smaller group
commitment, no need to pay for a driver, and no CDL. Given the number that
went last year, we would have had 2 vans. Would this be more cost effective?


On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:

> Or .... we explore the "multiple VANs" theory ... get a good rate on some
> commuter vans ... then you have smaller "commitment intervals" .... i.e.
> groups of 10 ...
>
> FYI ... my son's school bought a small school bus and have
> been running the teachers through getting their CDL just for the reason of
> class trips and sports events etc. because bus companies have become so
> outrageous ....
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:
>
>> Do we have anyone around with a CDL who could do the driving for us at a
>> reduced rate?
>>
>> JSR/
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:42 AM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>>
>>>  the average car gets 300 miles to a tank so... thats one compelete
>>> fill up and a 1/3rd of one so more like 40+13.33 but....
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/29/2012 9:01 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>>>
>>> What do you drive a Hummer ?? :) .. It's 206 miles from round trip from
>>> the HIVE to Citifield .... My car gets 30MPG on a BAD DAY ... rounding up
>>> that's 7 gallons ... at $4/gal that's still just $28 ... $20 for tolls, $10
>>> parking ... OK so $58 ... That's still $14.50/person .... I'm just sayin' :)
>>>
>>> So $15 a person is probably a reasonable target.
>>>
>>> I'm betting a good portion of the bus rate is the cost of the driver
>>> ....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:56 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  its cheaper then driving... figure its almost two tanks of gas and
>>>> probably 25 in tolls plus parking (which is probably about 8 bucks)
>>>> depending on fuel economy so about 133/4 so 33.25 yeah ok its not
>>>> cheaper.... still more environmentally friendly and the more we pack on the
>>>> bus the cheaper it gets (i figured 25 because that was our approximate
>>>> turnout for last year) if we fill the expensive bus it comes out to a
>>>> svelte (spell check) 21.45 per person. if we fill the cheap bus figuiring
>>>> it seats 40 its 12.50 a seat.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/29/2012 5:32 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just seems so counter intuitive ....you would think "mass transit"
>>>> (granted it's not real mass transit) would be cheaper than driving ....
>>>> these are all looking like $25 per person .... I had 4 people in my car it
>>>> it was no where NEAR $100 .. actual cost was probably <$50 ... Granted at
>>>> the IRS Mileage rate ($0.55/mi) you're getting to break even ....
>>>>
>>>>  Sorry nothing constructive to add just ranting :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:18 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  what other amenities do these buses have? because it looks like
>>>>> we're talking a $500 bathroom here.
>>>>> we could use two different bus companies possibly.
>>>>>
>>>>> quick math if count on 25 (about what we had last year)
>>>>> its 47.20 per person nearly double.. unsurprisingly.
>>>>> On 11/29/2012 2:39 PM, Ellis Farmer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...
>>>>>
>>>>> Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>>>>>
>>>>> *e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
>>>>> 55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
>>>>> 55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
>>>>> fuel is included in both
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for
>>>>> TWO 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using
>>>>> it.  I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I
>>>>> don't think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair long
>>>>> enough (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>>>>>
>>>>> We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at
>>>>> 7pm, but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does
>>>>> anyone recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>>>>>
>>>>> -Ellis
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From rob at pabut.org  Fri Nov 30 07:55:56 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob Roschewsk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:55:56 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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An idea I raised last year .... contact one of the "COMMUTER VAN POOL"
companies that might go into Philly or some such .... they probably have
VANs sitting idle on the weekends ....

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com>wrote:

> I think having multiple vans is a better solution: smaller group
> commitment, no need to pay for a driver, and no CDL. Given the number that
> went last year, we would have had 2 vans. Would this be more cost effective?
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
>
>> Or .... we explore the "multiple VANs" theory ... get a good rate on some
>> commuter vans ... then you have smaller "commitment intervals" .... i.e.
>> groups of 10 ...
>>
>> FYI ... my son's school bought a small school bus and have
>> been running the teachers through getting their CDL just for the reason of
>> class trips and sports events etc. because bus companies have become so
>> outrageous ....
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Do we have anyone around with a CDL who could do the driving for us at a
>>> reduced rate?
>>>
>>> JSR/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:42 AM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  the average car gets 300 miles to a tank so... thats one compelete
>>>> fill up and a 1/3rd of one so more like 40+13.33 but....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/29/2012 9:01 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What do you drive a Hummer ?? :) .. It's 206 miles from round trip from
>>>> the HIVE to Citifield .... My car gets 30MPG on a BAD DAY ... rounding up
>>>> that's 7 gallons ... at $4/gal that's still just $28 ... $20 for tolls, $10
>>>> parking ... OK so $58 ... That's still $14.50/person .... I'm just sayin' :)
>>>>
>>>> So $15 a person is probably a reasonable target.
>>>>
>>>> I'm betting a good portion of the bus rate is the cost of the driver
>>>> ....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:56 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  its cheaper then driving... figure its almost two tanks of gas and
>>>>> probably 25 in tolls plus parking (which is probably about 8 bucks)
>>>>> depending on fuel economy so about 133/4 so 33.25 yeah ok its not
>>>>> cheaper.... still more environmentally friendly and the more we pack on the
>>>>> bus the cheaper it gets (i figured 25 because that was our approximate
>>>>> turnout for last year) if we fill the expensive bus it comes out to a
>>>>> svelte (spell check) 21.45 per person. if we fill the cheap bus figuiring
>>>>> it seats 40 its 12.50 a seat.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/29/2012 5:32 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just seems so counter intuitive ....you would think "mass transit"
>>>>> (granted it's not real mass transit) would be cheaper than driving ....
>>>>> these are all looking like $25 per person .... I had 4 people in my car it
>>>>> it was no where NEAR $100 .. actual cost was probably <$50 ... Granted at
>>>>> the IRS Mileage rate ($0.55/mi) you're getting to break even ....
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sorry nothing constructive to add just ranting :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:18 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  what other amenities do these buses have? because it looks like
>>>>>> we're talking a $500 bathroom here.
>>>>>> we could use two different bus companies possibly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> quick math if count on 25 (about what we had last year)
>>>>>> its 47.20 per person nearly double.. unsurprisingly.
>>>>>> On 11/29/2012 2:39 PM, Ellis Farmer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight,
>>>>>> but...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
>>>>>> 55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
>>>>>> 55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
>>>>>> fuel is included in both
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for
>>>>>> TWO 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using
>>>>>> it.  I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I
>>>>>> don't think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair long
>>>>>> enough (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at
>>>>>> 7pm, but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does
>>>>>> anyone recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Ellis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Nov 30 08:55:37 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:55:37 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] OpenStack for a MakeLV Private Cloud
Message-ID: <CANyh6VtMh5c9kg0os1GbStRVuT_bxpaD1CG74QBPyPFwjd9JSg@mail.gmail.com>

So, we're talking about building up an OpenStack environment at the space
using a server that came in last night and Jared said he had a couple
others he may be able to toss to the effort. We'd need a minimum of two
machines. One to be a controller and some other roles and another to be a
VM host.

I'd like to see us go with Ubuntu Server as the foundation. There are some
custom OpenStack distros, RedHat has an implementation of it and the like,
but I like what I've seen Ubuntu doing with it most and I think that is
where more of us have the majority of our recent Linux experience.

Basically, OpenStack will provide us with an infrastructure comparable and
in some ways better than Amazon's cloud services including Object Storage,
Self-service server provisioning and block storage. That is to say, we'll
have a private cloud infrastructure and if someone asks, "What is the
cloud?" we can just point and say, "That's a cloud over there."

There is an hour long webinar available that talks about OpenStack Folsom
on the latest Ubuntu versions. You'll want to skip the first 10 minutes as
they just talk about Canonical, etc.
https://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/6793/58049

There is also some install documentation that can be found here and step
through setting up a 3-node OpenStack environment. It looks like we would
need two NICs on two nodes and three nics on the third as well as a VLAN
capable switch or probably more easily two switches. Compute and Controller
nodes can be combined into one machine if needed. I don't see the use of
Swift (object storage) in this install so I'd like to see that brought in.
https://github.com/mseknibilel/OpenStack-Folsom-Install-guide/blob/master/OpenStack_Folsom_Install_Guide_WebVersion.rst

This is more generic resource, but would certainly be useful.
OpenStack Install and Deploy Manual
http://docs.openstack.org/folsom/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/

Ubuntu has some other interesting tools worth checking out here including
their Metal-As-A-Service stuff.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure

I think the next question is what hardware do we need to make this work.
More RAM would certainly be helpful in the one server we have and probably
some more disk space. I'm not yet sure what adding swift will require, but
the guys on the webinar suggest 4 servers if you want to include Swift in
the cloud.

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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Nov 30 09:20:42 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:20:42 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Someone is fixing the Arduino IDE
Message-ID: <CANyh6Vuzm_nMqDYJXM_robpNsdnQ6vcXgnLWkQG6WSGfBkYgnA@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like it is hitting on at least a few of my paint points...
http://dalpix.com/mariamole

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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 09:41:55 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:41:55 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Someone is fixing the Arduino IDE
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All I can say is that looks awesome.

Jeff
On Nov 30, 2012 10:22 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:

> Sounds like it is hitting on at least a few of my paint points...
> http://dalpix.com/mariamole
>
> JSR/
>
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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 09:40:12 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:40:12 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] OpenStack for a MakeLV Private Cloud
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VtMh5c9kg0os1GbStRVuT_bxpaD1CG74QBPyPFwjd9JSg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJMBNhtkGyFsxqQTB6byCov3FmUsLHxZvrpUiQx+QuOdCgjEwg@mail.gmail.com>

I think that is an awesome idea. I would suggest a raid 5 or 6 setup for
the storage.

Jeff
On Nov 30, 2012 9:56 AM, "Josiah Ritchie" <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:

> So, we're talking about building up an OpenStack environment at the space
> using a server that came in last night and Jared said he had a couple
> others he may be able to toss to the effort. We'd need a minimum of two
> machines. One to be a controller and some other roles and another to be a
> VM host.
>
> I'd like to see us go with Ubuntu Server as the foundation. There are some
> custom OpenStack distros, RedHat has an implementation of it and the like,
> but I like what I've seen Ubuntu doing with it most and I think that is
> where more of us have the majority of our recent Linux experience.
>
> Basically, OpenStack will provide us with an infrastructure comparable and
> in some ways better than Amazon's cloud services including Object Storage,
> Self-service server provisioning and block storage. That is to say, we'll
> have a private cloud infrastructure and if someone asks, "What is the
> cloud?" we can just point and say, "That's a cloud over there."
>
> There is an hour long webinar available that talks about OpenStack Folsom
> on the latest Ubuntu versions. You'll want to skip the first 10 minutes as
> they just talk about Canonical, etc.
> https://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/6793/58049
>
> There is also some install documentation that can be found here and step
> through setting up a 3-node OpenStack environment. It looks like we would
> need two NICs on two nodes and three nics on the third as well as a VLAN
> capable switch or probably more easily two switches. Compute and Controller
> nodes can be combined into one machine if needed. I don't see the use of
> Swift (object storage) in this install so I'd like to see that brought in.
>
> https://github.com/mseknibilel/OpenStack-Folsom-Install-guide/blob/master/OpenStack_Folsom_Install_Guide_WebVersion.rst
>
> This is more generic resource, but would certainly be useful.
> OpenStack Install and Deploy Manual
> http://docs.openstack.org/folsom/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/
>
> Ubuntu has some other interesting tools worth checking out here including
> their Metal-As-A-Service stuff.
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure
>
> I think the next question is what hardware do we need to make this work.
> More RAM would certainly be helpful in the one server we have and probably
> some more disk space. I'm not yet sure what adding swift will require, but
> the guys on the webinar suggest 4 servers if you want to include Swift in
> the cloud.
>
> JSR/
> --
>
> http://about.me/josiah
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Fri Nov 30 10:13:48 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:13:48 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] Someone is fixing the Arduino IDE
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From jeffrey.minton at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 10:18:56 2012
From: jeffrey.minton at gmail.com (Jeffrey Minton)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:18:56 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Someone is fixing the Arduino IDE
In-Reply-To: <20121130091348.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.db1917d636.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
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Jared,

I think you posted that to the wrong thread :)

-Jeff


On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:13 AM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> I did some digging and sent e-mails out - I believe I have a line on two
> more servers, Dell PowerEdge w/Xeons, both with Raid Controllers and 3x+
> SCSI drives, one with 1GB DDR and the other 2GB.
>
> So there's the start of our cloud!  I'm with you on Ubuntu Josiah.
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [MakeLV] Someone is fixing the Arduino IDE
> From: Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
> Date: Fri, November 30, 2012 8:20 am
> To: makelehighvalley <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>
> Sounds like it is hitting on at least a few of my paint points...
> http://dalpix.com/mariamole
>
> JSR/
>
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Fri Nov 30 10:27:49 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:27:49 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] Someone is fixing the Arduino IDE
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Fri Nov 30 11:01:53 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (steckelj at jaredsroom.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:01:53 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] OpenStack for a MakeLV Private Cloud
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Nov 30 11:07:30 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:07:30 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] OpenStack for a MakeLV Private Cloud
In-Reply-To: <20121130100153.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.fc179d1a1f.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
References: <20121130100153.100b821a8453068236b82f984f5a44e9.fc179d1a1f.wbe@email01.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <CANyh6VuUdAtSbo5MajoEieRk4s+mN3XTi-EJiRwHKcxvjSnDZQ@mail.gmail.com>

I had a 6450 running Samba. It stayed up forever! Fond memories...  If
nothing else, there is some good quantity scrap metal in them. I recall
they were heavy.

The 2650 could be a nice addition to the OpenStack project and bring us up
to 4 machines.

JSR/


On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:01 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> Just so it's in the right thread:  I did some digging and sent e-mails
> out - I believe I have a line on two more servers, Dell PowerEdge w/Xeons,
> both with Raid Controllers and 3x+ SCSI drives, one with 1GB DDR and the
> other 2GB.  These are tower configs, both PowerEdge.  One of them looks
> like the box Josiah brought and the other is a higher model line, with the
> bottom-hinged front grill and hot swap drives.
>
> I blasted out an e-mail at work to our guys and a bunch of customers.  In
> addition to the above I've received some other offers.  I told them we
> could value the boxes and provide donation receipts, which I'll work out
> with Matthew.
>
> Do we want these?
>
> 3x PowerEdge 6450's.  These things are old (10yrs), but were nice in their
> day.  Taken out of production working.  Each is dual-proc, with pIII Xeons
> (ha), packed to the brim with RAM (upgraded, prob 2GB each?), dual hot-swap
> power supplies, hot-swap SCSI drives (probably small ones..).  They're 4U
> rack-mount, so HUGE.  They've got SC/SC gig Fiber cards in, which happen to
> plug in to the gig uplinks on our switches.  Otherwise 2x 100Mb NICs.
>
> 1x PowerEdge 2650 2U rack-mount, dual proc but not sure which, dual power
> supplies, hot-swap SCSI RAID, dual gig NICs.  This was actually under my
> desk and I forgot about it - it either lost the RAID config or the
> Backplane blew, I can't remember which, but it should be fixable.  Worst
> case we can throw that SATA card in it and rig the drive carriers (cool
> hack).
>
> More replies since I typed those two, ha.  Perhaps I've opened a can of
> worms here..
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [MakeLV] OpenStack for a MakeLV Private Cloud
> From: Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
> Date: Fri, November 30, 2012 7:55 am
> To: makelehighvalley <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>
> So, we're talking about building up an OpenStack environment at the space
> using a server that came in last night and Jared said he had a couple
> others he may be able to toss to the effort. We'd need a minimum of two
> machines. One to be a controller and some other roles and another to be a
> VM host.
>
> I'd like to see us go with Ubuntu Server as the foundation. There are some
> custom OpenStack distros, RedHat has an implementation of it and the like,
> but I like what I've seen Ubuntu doing with it most and I think that is
> where more of us have the majority of our recent Linux experience.
>
> Basically, OpenStack will provide us with an infrastructure comparable and
> in some ways better than Amazon's cloud services including Object Storage,
> Self-service server provisioning and block storage. That is to say, we'll
> have a private cloud infrastructure and if someone asks, "What is the
> cloud?" we can just point and say, "That's a cloud over there."
>
> There is an hour long webinar available that talks about OpenStack Folsom
> on the latest Ubuntu versions. You'll want to skip the first 10 minutes as
> they just talk about Canonical, etc.
> https://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/6793/58049
>
> There is also some install documentation that can be found here and step
> through setting up a 3-node OpenStack environment. It looks like we would
> need two NICs on two nodes and three nics on the third as well as a VLAN
> capable switch or probably more easily two switches. Compute and Controller
> nodes can be combined into one machine if needed. I don't see the use of
> Swift (object storage) in this install so I'd like to see that brought in.
>
> https://github.com/mseknibilel/OpenStack-Folsom-Install-guide/blob/master/OpenStack_Folsom_Install_Guide_WebVersion.rst
>
> This is more generic resource, but would certainly be useful.
> OpenStack Install and Deploy Manual
> http://docs.openstack.org/folsom/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/
>
> Ubuntu has some other interesting tools worth checking out here including
> their Metal-As-A-Service stuff.
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure
>
> I think the next question is what hardware do we need to make this work.
> More RAM would certainly be helpful in the one server we have and probably
> some more disk space. I'm not yet sure what adding swift will require, but
> the guys on the webinar suggest 4 servers if you want to include Swift in
> the cloud.
>
> JSR/
> --
>
> http://about.me/josiah
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From rob at pabut.org  Fri Nov 30 11:17:11 2012
From: rob at pabut.org (Rob Roschewsk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:17:11 +0000
Subject: [MakeLV] OpenStack for a MakeLV Private Cloud
In-Reply-To: <CANyh6VuUdAtSbo5MajoEieRk4s+mN3XTi-EJiRwHKcxvjSnDZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAE1O4xogLXhp8vrVkLqEf8sGOJ5gJxz4=wSRTAFifOh_JAM7SQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have lots of server RAM scattered about ... seems we always need to pull
the BASE RAM in order to max out the boxes ... let me know what you need
....

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>wrote:

> I had a 6450 running Samba. It stayed up forever! Fond memories...  If
> nothing else, there is some good quantity scrap metal in them. I recall
> they were heavy.
>
> The 2650 could be a nice addition to the OpenStack project and bring us up
> to 4 machines.
>
> JSR/
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:01 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>
>> Just so it's in the right thread:  I did some digging and sent e-mails
>> out - I believe I have a line on two more servers, Dell PowerEdge w/Xeons,
>> both with Raid Controllers and 3x+ SCSI drives, one with 1GB DDR and the
>> other 2GB.  These are tower configs, both PowerEdge.  One of them looks
>> like the box Josiah brought and the other is a higher model line, with the
>> bottom-hinged front grill and hot swap drives.
>>
>> I blasted out an e-mail at work to our guys and a bunch of customers.  In
>> addition to the above I've received some other offers.  I told them we
>> could value the boxes and provide donation receipts, which I'll work out
>> with Matthew.
>>
>> Do we want these?
>>
>> 3x PowerEdge 6450's.  These things are old (10yrs), but were nice in
>> their day.  Taken out of production working.  Each is dual-proc, with pIII
>> Xeons (ha), packed to the brim with RAM (upgraded, prob 2GB each?), dual
>> hot-swap power supplies, hot-swap SCSI drives (probably small ones..).
>>  They're 4U rack-mount, so HUGE.  They've got SC/SC gig Fiber cards in,
>> which happen to plug in to the gig uplinks on our switches.  Otherwise 2x
>> 100Mb NICs.
>>
>> 1x PowerEdge 2650 2U rack-mount, dual proc but not sure which, dual power
>> supplies, hot-swap SCSI RAID, dual gig NICs.  This was actually under my
>> desk and I forgot about it - it either lost the RAID config or the
>> Backplane blew, I can't remember which, but it should be fixable.  Worst
>> case we can throw that SATA card in it and rig the drive carriers (cool
>> hack).
>>
>> More replies since I typed those two, ha.  Perhaps I've opened a can of
>> worms here..
>>
>>  -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [MakeLV] OpenStack for a MakeLV Private Cloud
>> From: Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
>> Date: Fri, November 30, 2012 7:55 am
>> To: makelehighvalley <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>>
>> So, we're talking about building up an OpenStack environment at the space
>> using a server that came in last night and Jared said he had a couple
>> others he may be able to toss to the effort. We'd need a minimum of two
>> machines. One to be a controller and some other roles and another to be a
>> VM host.
>>
>> I'd like to see us go with Ubuntu Server as the foundation. There are
>> some custom OpenStack distros, RedHat has an implementation of it and the
>> like, but I like what I've seen Ubuntu doing with it most and I think that
>> is where more of us have the majority of our recent Linux experience.
>>
>> Basically, OpenStack will provide us with an infrastructure comparable
>> and in some ways better than Amazon's cloud services including Object
>> Storage, Self-service server provisioning and block storage. That is to
>> say, we'll have a private cloud infrastructure and if someone asks, "What
>> is the cloud?" we can just point and say, "That's a cloud over there."
>>
>> There is an hour long webinar available that talks about OpenStack Folsom
>> on the latest Ubuntu versions. You'll want to skip the first 10 minutes as
>> they just talk about Canonical, etc.
>> https://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/6793/58049
>>
>> There is also some install documentation that can be found here and step
>> through setting up a 3-node OpenStack environment. It looks like we would
>> need two NICs on two nodes and three nics on the third as well as a VLAN
>> capable switch or probably more easily two switches. Compute and Controller
>> nodes can be combined into one machine if needed. I don't see the use of
>> Swift (object storage) in this install so I'd like to see that brought in.
>>
>> https://github.com/mseknibilel/OpenStack-Folsom-Install-guide/blob/master/OpenStack_Folsom_Install_Guide_WebVersion.rst
>>
>> This is more generic resource, but would certainly be useful.
>> OpenStack Install and Deploy Manual
>> http://docs.openstack.org/folsom/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/
>>
>> Ubuntu has some other interesting tools worth checking out here including
>> their Metal-As-A-Service stuff.
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure
>>
>> I think the next question is what hardware do we need to make this work.
>> More RAM would certainly be helpful in the one server we have and probably
>> some more disk space. I'm not yet sure what adding swift will require, but
>> the guys on the webinar suggest 4 servers if you want to include Swift in
>> the cloud.
>>
>> JSR/
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Fri Nov 30 11:28:32 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:28:32 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] OpenStack for a MakeLV Private Cloud
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Here's the 2650.  Threw it in a rack, Im gonna try and fire it up later.



Here's two of the 6450s.  They are immensely heavy..



J (mobile)

On Nov 30, 2012, at 12:17 PM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:

> I have lots of server RAM scattered about ... seems we always need to pull the BASE RAM in order to max out the boxes ... let me know what you need .... 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
>> I had a 6450 running Samba. It stayed up forever! Fond memories...  If nothing else, there is some good quantity scrap metal in them. I recall they were heavy.
>> 
>> The 2650 could be a nice addition to the OpenStack project and bring us up to 4 machines.
>> 
>> JSR/
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:01 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>>> Just so it's in the right thread:  I did some digging and sent e-mails out - I believe I have a line on two more servers, Dell PowerEdge w/Xeons, both with Raid Controllers and 3x+ SCSI drives, one with 1GB DDR and the other 2GB.  These are tower configs, both PowerEdge.  One of them looks like the box Josiah brought and the other is a higher model line, with the bottom-hinged front grill and hot swap drives.  
>>> 
>>> I blasted out an e-mail at work to our guys and a bunch of customers.  In addition to the above I've received some other offers.  I told them we could value the boxes and provide donation receipts, which I'll work out with Matthew.
>>> 
>>> Do we want these?
>>> 
>>> 3x PowerEdge 6450's.  These things are old (10yrs), but were nice in their day.  Taken out of production working.  Each is dual-proc, with pIII Xeons (ha), packed to the brim with RAM (upgraded, prob 2GB each?), dual hot-swap power supplies, hot-swap SCSI drives (probably small ones..).  They're 4U rack-mount, so HUGE.  They've got SC/SC gig Fiber cards in, which happen to plug in to the gig uplinks on our switches.  Otherwise 2x 100Mb NICs.
>>> 
>>> 1x PowerEdge 2650 2U rack-mount, dual proc but not sure which, dual power supplies, hot-swap SCSI RAID, dual gig NICs.  This was actually under my desk and I forgot about it - it either lost the RAID config or the Backplane blew, I can't remember which, but it should be fixable.  Worst case we can throw that SATA card in it and rig the drive carriers (cool hack).
>>> 
>>> More replies since I typed those two, ha.  Perhaps I've opened a can of worms here..
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: [MakeLV] OpenStack for a MakeLV Private Cloud
>>> From: Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com>
>>> Date: Fri, November 30, 2012 7:55 am
>>> To: makelehighvalley <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>>> 
>>> So, we're talking about building up an OpenStack environment at the space using a server that came in last night and Jared said he had a couple others he may be able to toss to the effort. We'd need a minimum of two machines. One to be a controller and some other roles and another to be a VM host.
>>> 
>>> I'd like to see us go with Ubuntu Server as the foundation. There are some custom OpenStack distros, RedHat has an implementation of it and the like, but I like what I've seen Ubuntu doing with it most and I think that is where more of us have the majority of our recent Linux experience.
>>> 
>>> Basically, OpenStack will provide us with an infrastructure comparable and in some ways better than Amazon's cloud services including Object Storage, Self-service server provisioning and block storage. That is to say, we'll have a private cloud infrastructure and if someone asks, "What is the cloud?" we can just point and say, "That's a cloud over there."
>>> 
>>> There is an hour long webinar available that talks about OpenStack Folsom on the latest Ubuntu versions. You'll want to skip the first 10 minutes as they just talk about Canonical, etc.
>>> https://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/6793/58049
>>> 
>>> There is also some install documentation that can be found here and step through setting up a 3-node OpenStack environment. It looks like we would need two NICs on two nodes and three nics on the third as well as a VLAN capable switch or probably more easily two switches. Compute and Controller nodes can be combined into one machine if needed. I don't see the use of Swift (object storage) in this install so I'd like to see that brought in.
>>> https://github.com/mseknibilel/OpenStack-Folsom-Install-guide/blob/master/OpenStack_Folsom_Install_Guide_WebVersion.rst
>>> 
>>> This is more generic resource, but would certainly be useful.
>>> OpenStack Install and Deploy Manual
>>> http://docs.openstack.org/folsom/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/
>>> 
>>> Ubuntu has some other interesting tools worth checking out here including their Metal-As-A-Service stuff.
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure
>>> 
>>> I think the next question is what hardware do we need to make this work. More RAM would certainly be helpful in the one server we have and probably some more disk space. I'm not yet sure what adding swift will require, but the guys on the webinar suggest 4 servers if you want to include Swift in the cloud.
>>> 
>>> JSR/
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From mtuerk at allentownedc.com  Fri Nov 30 13:18:39 2012
From: mtuerk at allentownedc.com (Matthew Tuerk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:18:39 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Fwd: Hello hive4a. We'd love for you to present at the
	upcoming PA Library Association Lehigh Valley conference
References: <50B89719020000310010904B@gws3.muhlenberg.edu>
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Check out the following for what seems like a great marketing opportunity for the hackerspace.

I spoke to Tim already and told him that I would be happy to talk about the institutional perspective of hosting a space. He's definitely interested in having one or two people from the space itself join the panel as well. Any takers?
Matthew Tuerk

Assistant Director
Allentown Economic Development Corporation
(610) 435-8890 (w)
mtuerk at allentownedc.com

www.facebook.com/AllentownEDC

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Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Timothy Clarke" <TClarke at muhlenberg.edu>
> Subject: Hello hive4a. We'd love for you to present at the upcoming PA Library Association Lehigh Valley conference
> Date: November 30, 2012 11:23:05 AM EST
> To: <info at hive4a.org>
> 
> Hi hive4a.org,
>  
> My name is Tim Clarke, and I'm reaching out on behalf of the Lehigh Valley chapter of the Pennsylvania Library Association.  I serve on the conference committee, and we are in the process of lining up a great slate of presenters for our May 2013 conference, to be held at Muhlenberg College.
>  
> I am particularly interested in twisting arms at hive4a/hackerspace/Make Lehigh Valley.  I'm looking to fill a 75-90 minute panel with three or four related presenters.  There is a growing convergence between Makespace culture and libraries.  I am certain many academic and public librarians would benefit greatly from your experiences and perspectives. 
>  
> I have commitments from the Hacktory in Philadelphia, the Mid-Atlantic Code4Lib folks, and possibly the West Philly Tool Library, too.  I think your group is a natural fit on this panel, and certainly the obvious local representative for the Lehigh Valley.
>  
> I'm much more persuasive when corresponding by phone.  I'd love the chance to talk more about the upcoming conference.
>  
> Thanks in advance,  
>  
>  
> --Tim Clarke
> Head, Library Systems and Information Transfer Services
> Trexler Library, Muhlenberg College
> Phone:  484-664-3520
> Email:  tclarke at muhlenberg.edu
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 13:22:49 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:22:49 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Fwd: Hello hive4a. We'd love for you to present at the
 upcoming PA Library Association Lehigh Valley conference
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I'll bite.

-Will C

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Matthew Tuerk <mtuerk at allentownedc.com>wrote:

> Check out the following for what seems like a great marketing opportunity
> for the hackerspace.
>
> I spoke to Tim already and told him that I would be happy to talk about
> the institutional perspective of hosting a space. He's definitely
> interested in having one or two people from the space itself join the panel
> as well. Any takers?
> Matthew Tuerk
>
> Assistant Director
> Allentown Economic Development Corporation
> (610) 435-8890 (w)
> mtuerk at allentownedc.com
>
> www.facebook.com/AllentownEDC
>
> @AllentownEDC
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> *From: *"Timothy Clarke" <TClarke at muhlenberg.edu>
> *Subject: **Hello hive4a. We'd love for you to present at the upcoming PA
> Library Association Lehigh Valley conference*
> *Date: *November 30, 2012 11:23:05 AM EST
> *To: *<info at hive4a.org>
>
>  Hi hive4a.org,
>
> My name is Tim Clarke, and I'm reaching out on behalf of the Lehigh Valley
> chapter of the Pennsylvania Library Association.  I serve on the conference
> committee, and we are in the process of lining up a great slate of
> presenters for our May 2013 conference, to be held at Muhlenberg College.
>
> I am particularly interested in twisting arms at hive4a/hackerspace/Make
> Lehigh Valley.  I'm looking to fill a 75-90 minute panel with three or four
> related presenters.  There is a growing convergence between Makespace
> culture and libraries.  I am certain many academic and public librarians
> would benefit greatly from your experiences and perspectives.
>
> I have commitments from the Hacktory in Philadelphia, the Mid-Atlantic
> Code4Lib folks, and possibly the West Philly Tool Library, too.  I think
> your group is a natural fit on this panel, and certainly the obvious local
> representative for the Lehigh Valley.
>
> I'm much more persuasive when corresponding by phone.  I'd love the chance
> to talk more about the upcoming conference.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> --Tim Clarke
> Head, Library Systems and Information Transfer Services
> Trexler Library, Muhlenberg College
> Phone:  484-664-3520
> Email:  tclarke at muhlenberg.edu
> Google Chat:  tclarke at muhlenberg.edu
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 13:34:01 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:34:01 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
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And here is the actual list...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgJ35QhLZLVfdHJFMGpJZ1FfMURpVU5zaXQ5RVVERUE

-Will C

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> Released is the list, please email me and let me know if your order is
> correct (additions, subtractions, missing).
>
> -Will C
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Will do and that makes 50!
>>
>> -Will C
>> On Nov 29, 2012 11:36 PM, "Bill Heffner" <wrh304 at lehigh.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>  Can you put Bill in for 2 of these?  Hate to miss the party.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> On 11/29/2012 3:28 PM, Will wrote:
>>>
>>> So far as it stands including my Arduino's, David's, Jareds, Jeffs, Lou,
>>> Kyle, Jim Green, Will W, and DaVinci we are looking at a total of 45
>>> Arduino Nano's. 5 more and Josiah said he will build a vending machine (he
>>> didn't, but his idea so he has to do it).
>>>
>>>  -Will C
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Jim Green <bamag at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Put me down for 4 Nanos.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Green
>>>>
>>>>    *From:* William Weik <wweik at lutron.com>
>>>> *To:* Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:48 PM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
>>>>
>>>>    I'm in for just 1
>>>>
>>>>  *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
>>>> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey
>>>> Minton
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
>>>> *To:* Build things for fun!
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
>>>>
>>>> I'm in for 2 of the nanos
>>>>
>>>>   -Jeff Minton
>>>>   On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
>>>> That seems like a really good site ... lots of cheap arduino /
>>>> microcontroller building blocks .... an Ethernet shield for <$20 ....
>>>> impressive ...
>>>>
>>>>   On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I just checked the price. The holidays must be jacking up the price
>>>> because now the price is $10.99. The shipping on the ENTIRE order is $0.01!
>>>> So shipping is negligible.  The link in question for everyone is this:
>>>> http://dx.com/p/nano-v3-0-avr-atmega328-p-20au-module-board-usb-cable-for-arduino-118037
>>>>
>>>>   -Will C
>>>>   On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:56 PM, David Smith <
>>>> david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
>>>> Will, I'll take 4.  The link you sent me showed a price of $9.46 for
>>>> the 10+  Is there tax or is this a different product? The slightly higher
>>>> price is fine, I'm just curious.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>   On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>>  It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If
>>>> anyone is interested jumping in on the order I will need to
>>>> know immediately. The unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The
>>>> downside, I don't know the shipping costs off but I do know shipping will
>>>> take a bit since these boards are getting ordered from China. If you want
>>>> one later, well don't worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These
>>>> nano's have the FTDI chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino
>>>> without an external FTDI this is a great option for a great price!
>>>>
>>>>  -Will C
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David L. Smith, Ph.D.
>>>> Chief Scientist
>>>>
>>>> *Error! Filename not specified.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3145 Hamilton Blvd Bypass
>>>> Allentown, PA 18103-3686
>>>> 484-664-1002 x111
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From staticphantom at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 13:33:44 2012
From: staticphantom at gmail.com (Will)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:33:44 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
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Released is the list, please email me and let me know if your order is
correct (additions, subtractions, missing).

-Will C

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> Will do and that makes 50!
>
> -Will C
> On Nov 29, 2012 11:36 PM, "Bill Heffner" <wrh304 at lehigh.edu> wrote:
>
>>  Can you put Bill in for 2 of these?  Hate to miss the party.  Thanks.
>>
>> On 11/29/2012 3:28 PM, Will wrote:
>>
>> So far as it stands including my Arduino's, David's, Jareds, Jeffs, Lou,
>> Kyle, Jim Green, Will W, and DaVinci we are looking at a total of 45
>> Arduino Nano's. 5 more and Josiah said he will build a vending machine (he
>> didn't, but his idea so he has to do it).
>>
>>  -Will C
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Jim Green <bamag at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Put me down for 4 Nanos.
>>>
>>> Jim Green
>>>
>>>    *From:* William Weik <wweik at lutron.com>
>>> *To:* Build things for fun! <makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:48 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
>>>
>>>    I'm in for just 1
>>>
>>>  *From:* Makelehighvalley [mailto:
>>> makelehighvalley-bounces at makelehighvalley.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey
>>> Minton
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
>>> *To:* Build things for fun!
>>> *Subject:* Re: [MakeLV] Arduino Nano's!
>>>
>>> I'm in for 2 of the nanos
>>>
>>>   -Jeff Minton
>>>   On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
>>> That seems like a really good site ... lots of cheap arduino /
>>> microcontroller building blocks .... an Ethernet shield for <$20 ....
>>> impressive ...
>>>
>>>   On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I just checked the price. The holidays must be jacking up the price
>>> because now the price is $10.99. The shipping on the ENTIRE order is $0.01!
>>> So shipping is negligible.  The link in question for everyone is this:
>>> http://dx.com/p/nano-v3-0-avr-atmega328-p-20au-module-board-usb-cable-for-arduino-118037
>>>
>>>   -Will C
>>>   On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:56 PM, David Smith <
>>> david at davincisciencecenter.org> wrote:
>>> Will, I'll take 4.  The link you sent me showed a price of $9.46 for the
>>> 10+  Is there tax or is this a different product? The slightly higher price
>>> is fine, I'm just curious.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>   On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hey guys,
>>>
>>>  It has been decided to go with the Arduino Nano for the course. If
>>> anyone is interested jumping in on the order I will need to
>>> know immediately. The unit price comes down to about $11 a piece. The
>>> downside, I don't know the shipping costs off but I do know shipping will
>>> take a bit since these boards are getting ordered from China. If you want
>>> one later, well don't worry because Jared found some for $12 a piece. These
>>> nano's have the FTDI chip directly on board so if you want a boardduino
>>> without an external FTDI this is a great option for a great price!
>>>
>>>  -Will C
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:48:48 -0700
Subject: [MakeLV] Fwd: Hello hive4a. We'd love for you to present at the
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From mtuerk at allentownedc.com  Fri Nov 30 14:03:29 2012
From: mtuerk at allentownedc.com (Matthew Tuerk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:03:29 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Hello hive4a. We'd love for you to present at the
	upcoming PA Library Association Lehigh Valley conference
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Definitely call Tim. He's very cool and excited about us getting involved. Probably makes sense for Jared to coordinate the Make LV delegation to this panel.
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On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:48 PM, steckelj at jaredsroom.com wrote:

> Hi Matt,
> 
> I'd love to sit on the panel.  Want me to give Tim a call?
> 
> J
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [MakeLV] Fwd: Hello hive4a. We'd love for you to present at
> the upcoming PA Library Association Lehigh Valley conference
> From: Matthew Tuerk <mtuerk at allentownedc.com>
> Date: Fri, November 30, 2012 12:18 pm
> To: Build things for fun! <Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com>
> 
> Check out the following for what seems like a great marketing opportunity for the hackerspace.
> 
> I spoke to Tim already and told him that I would be happy to talk about the institutional perspective of hosting a space. He's definitely interested in having one or two people from the space itself join the panel as well. Any takers?
> Matthew Tuerk
> 
> Assistant Director
> Allentown Economic Development Corporation
> (610) 435-8890 (w)
> mtuerk at allentownedc.com
> www.facebook.com/AllentownEDC
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: "Timothy Clarke" <TClarke at muhlenberg.edu>
>> Subject: Hello hive4a. We'd love for you to present at the upcoming PA Library Association Lehigh Valley conference
>> Date: November 30, 2012 11:23:05 AM EST
>> To: <info at hive4a.org>
>> 
>> Hi hive4a.org,
>>  
>> My name is Tim Clarke, and I'm reaching out on behalf of the Lehigh Valley chapter of the Pennsylvania Library Association.  I serve on the conference committee, and we are in the process of lining up a great slate of presenters for our May 2013 conference, to be held at Muhlenberg College.
>>  
>> I am particularly interested in twisting arms at hive4a/hackerspace/Make Lehigh Valley.  I'm looking to fill a 75-90 minute panel with three or four related presenters.  There is a growing convergence between Makespace culture and libraries.  I am certain many academic and public librarians would benefit greatly from your experiences and perspectives. 
>>  
>> I have commitments from the Hacktory in Philadelphia, the Mid-Atlantic Code4Lib folks, and possibly the West Philly Tool Library, too.  I think your group is a natural fit on this panel, and certainly the obvious local representative for the Lehigh Valley.
>>  
>> I'm much more persuasive when corresponding by phone.  I'd love the chance to talk more about the upcoming conference.
>>  
>> Thanks in advance,  
>>  
>>  
>> --Tim Clarke
>> Head, Library Systems and Information Transfer Services
>> Trexler Library, Muhlenberg College
>> Phone:  484-664-3520
>> Email:  tclarke at muhlenberg.edu
>> Google Chat:  tclarke at muhlenberg.edu
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Subject: [MakeLV] Hello hive4a. We'd love for you to present at the
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Nov 30 13:48:38 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:48:38 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Fwd: Hello hive4a. We'd love for you to present at the
 upcoming PA Library Association Lehigh Valley conference
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Yeah, that's a great opportunity!


On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Will <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll bite.
>
> -Will C
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Matthew Tuerk <mtuerk at allentownedc.com>wrote:
>
>> Check out the following for what seems like a great marketing opportunity
>> for the hackerspace.
>>
>> I spoke to Tim already and told him that I would be happy to talk about
>> the institutional perspective of hosting a space. He's definitely
>> interested in having one or two people from the space itself join the panel
>> as well. Any takers?
>>   Matthew Tuerk
>>
>> Assistant Director
>> Allentown Economic Development Corporation
>> (610) 435-8890 (w)
>> mtuerk at allentownedc.com
>>
>> www.facebook.com/AllentownEDC
>>
>> @AllentownEDC
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>> *
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>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From: *"Timothy Clarke" <TClarke at muhlenberg.edu>
>> *Subject: **Hello hive4a. We'd love for you to present at the upcoming
>> PA Library Association Lehigh Valley conference*
>> *Date: *November 30, 2012 11:23:05 AM EST
>> *To: *<info at hive4a.org>
>>
>>  Hi hive4a.org,
>>
>> My name is Tim Clarke, and I'm reaching out on behalf of the Lehigh
>> Valley chapter of the Pennsylvania Library Association.  I serve on the
>> conference committee, and we are in the process of lining up a great slate
>> of presenters for our May 2013 conference, to be held at Muhlenberg College.
>>
>> I am particularly interested in twisting arms at hive4a/hackerspace/Make
>> Lehigh Valley.  I'm looking to fill a 75-90 minute panel with three or four
>> related presenters.  There is a growing convergence between Makespace
>> culture and libraries.  I am certain many academic and public librarians
>> would benefit greatly from your experiences and perspectives.
>>
>> I have commitments from the Hacktory in Philadelphia, the Mid-Atlantic
>> Code4Lib folks, and possibly the West Philly Tool Library, too.  I think
>> your group is a natural fit on this panel, and certainly the obvious local
>> representative for the Lehigh Valley.
>>
>> I'm much more persuasive when corresponding by phone.  I'd love the
>> chance to talk more about the upcoming conference.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>>
>> --Tim Clarke
>> Head, Library Systems and Information Transfer Services
>> Trexler Library, Muhlenberg College
>> Phone:  484-664-3520
>> Email:  tclarke at muhlenberg.edu
>> Google Chat:  tclarke at muhlenberg.edu
>>
>>
>>
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From mtuerk at allentownedc.com  Fri Nov 30 13:20:37 2012
From: mtuerk at allentownedc.com (Matthew Tuerk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:20:37 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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How does Da Vinci solve the CDL issue for moving its stuff around?
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On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:

> An idea I raised last year .... contact one of the "COMMUTER VAN POOL" companies that might go into Philly or some such .... they probably have VANs sitting idle on the weekends .... 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think having multiple vans is a better solution: smaller group commitment, no need to pay for a driver, and no CDL. Given the number that went last year, we would have had 2 vans. Would this be more cost effective?
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
> Or .... we explore the "multiple VANs" theory ... get a good rate on some commuter vans ... then you have smaller "commitment intervals" .... i.e. groups of 10 ... 
> 
> FYI ... my son's school bought a small school bus and have been running the teachers through getting their CDL just for the reason of class trips and sports events etc. because bus companies have become so outrageous .... 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
> Do we have anyone around with a CDL who could do the driving for us at a reduced rate?
> 
> JSR/
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:42 AM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
> the average car gets 300 miles to a tank so... thats one compelete fill up and a 1/3rd of one so more like 40+13.33 but....
> 
> 
> On 11/29/2012 9:01 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>> What do you drive a Hummer ?? :) .. It's 206 miles from round trip from the HIVE to Citifield .... My car gets 30MPG on a BAD DAY ... rounding up that's 7 gallons ... at $4/gal that's still just $28 ... $20 for tolls, $10 parking ... OK so $58 ... That's still $14.50/person .... I'm just sayin' :)
>> 
>> So $15 a person is probably a reasonable target.
>> 
>> I'm betting a good portion of the bus rate is the cost of the driver .... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:56 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>> its cheaper then driving... figure its almost two tanks of gas and probably 25 in tolls plus parking (which is probably about 8 bucks) depending on fuel economy so about 133/4 so 33.25 yeah ok its not cheaper.... still more environmentally friendly and the more we pack on the bus the cheaper it gets (i figured 25 because that was our approximate turnout for last year) if we fill the expensive bus it comes out to a svelte (spell check) 21.45 per person. if we fill the cheap bus figuiring it seats 40 its 12.50 a seat.
>> 
>> On 11/29/2012 5:32 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>>> Just seems so counter intuitive ....you would think "mass transit" (granted it's not real mass transit) would be cheaper than driving .... these are all looking like $25 per person .... I had 4 people in my car it it was no where NEAR $100 .. actual cost was probably <$50 ... Granted at the IRS Mileage rate ($0.55/mi) you're getting to break even .... 
>>> 
>>> Sorry nothing constructive to add just ranting :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:18 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org> wrote:
>>> what other amenities do these buses have? because it looks like we're talking a $500 bathroom here.
>>> we could use two different bus companies possibly.
>>> 
>>> quick math if count on 25 (about what we had last year)
>>> its 47.20 per person nearly double.. unsurprisingly.
>>> On 11/29/2012 2:39 PM, Ellis Farmer wrote:
>>>> Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight, but...
>>>> 
>>>> Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>>>> 
>>>> e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:
>>>> 55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18% gratuity)
>>>> 55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
>>>> fuel is included in both
>>>> 
>>>> However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses for TWO 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not using it.  I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>>>> 
>>>> The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I don't think other places have that limit.  Were we at the fair long enough (obviously not, but seriously...)?
>>>> 
>>>> We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at 7pm, but we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does anyone recall when we arrived at the faire?
>>>> 
>>>> -Ellis
>>>> 
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From tsworman at novaslp.net  Fri Nov 30 14:33:21 2012
From: tsworman at novaslp.net (Tyler Worman)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:33:21 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Website Issues
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I didn't realize this was going on. Do you have any more information about
the issue or is that it? Let me open a ticket with the host.


On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:29 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We've had major site issues for weeks/months.  We discussed this to some
> degree last evening, several people noticed - many http 500's (the
> infamous, always-awesomely-detailed "Internal Server Error") and now the
> whole site periodically fails to load.
>
> In asking for donations to the OpenStack I included a link to
> makelehighvalley.com and got several responses (4) just today that our
> "site loads 1 in 4 attempts".  We noticed the issue previously while trying
> to update the Wish List and several other pages on the wiki.  A cursory
> review of the server doesn't show out any glaring site-specific issues.
>
> Just an FYI to the list - we're having trouble.  Josiah and I will be
> looking into it with the host.
>
> J
>
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From steckelj at jaredsroom.com  Fri Nov 30 14:56:47 2012
From: steckelj at jaredsroom.com (Jared Steckel)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:56:47 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Website Issues
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Hey Tyler!  Glad you're on the list!

Reloading the page a few times can show out the problem, though inconsistent.  Saving wiki changes produces the 500 error regularly.

I'd say it started 2-3 months ago, although the site not loading at all wasn't a symptom until recently for me. I was able to reproduce the issue today with a few refreshes.

Thanks so much for your help - let us know what you hear.  I actually thought you were the host, ha!

J (mobile)

On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Tyler Worman <tsworman at novaslp.net> wrote:

> I didn't realize this was going on. Do you have any more information about the issue or is that it? Let me open a ticket with the host.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:29 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> We've had major site issues for weeks/months.  We discussed this to some degree last evening, several people noticed - many http 500's (the infamous, always-awesomely-detailed "Internal Server Error") and now the whole site periodically fails to load.
>> 
>> In asking for donations to the OpenStack I included a link to makelehighvalley.com and got several responses (4) just today that our "site loads 1 in 4 attempts".  We noticed the issue previously while trying to update the Wish List and several other pages on the wiki.  A cursory review of the server doesn't show out any glaring site-specific issues.
>> 
>> Just an FYI to the list - we're having trouble.  Josiah and I will be looking into it with the host.
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
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From tsworman at novaslp.net  Fri Nov 30 15:23:06 2012
From: tsworman at novaslp.net (Tyler Worman)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:23:06 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Website Issues
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I pay for a package with a hosting company (jaguarpc) for the last 7 or 8
years. The site is hosted through them. It's just a big re-seller package
which I barely use any of the space.

Initial look at the logs show limits on memory and cpu in the last 24
hours due to a bunch of hits to a different inactive website. It went from
1k-2k hits a month to 20k a month about 3 months ago for some reason. The
php scripts running there are chewing memory/cpu.

I archived the offending site. it shouldn't cause any more problems. My
guess is bots were hitting it for some reason. We should back off the
limits in 24 hours or so. Sorry about that!

I'll open a ticket with Jaguar later tonight. The server load still looks a
bit high and it is not our fault at the moment.

The only two "active" domains on the package are my personal and
makelehighvalley. We shouldn't have these type of issues.

If we have any problems in the future, let me know and I'll look into them
right away.




On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>wrote:

> Hey Tyler!  Glad you're on the list!
>
> Reloading the page a few times can show out the problem, though
> inconsistent.  Saving wiki changes produces the 500 error regularly.
>
> I'd say it started 2-3 months ago, although the site not loading at all
> wasn't a symptom until recently for me. I was able to reproduce the issue
> today with a few refreshes.
>
> Thanks so much for your help - let us know what you hear.  I actually
> thought you were the host, ha!
>
> J (mobile)
>
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Tyler Worman <tsworman at novaslp.net> wrote:
>
> I didn't realize this was going on. Do you have any more information about
> the issue or is that it? Let me open a ticket with the host.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:29 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We've had major site issues for weeks/months.  We discussed this to some
>> degree last evening, several people noticed - many http 500's (the
>> infamous, always-awesomely-detailed "Internal Server Error") and now the
>> whole site periodically fails to load.
>>
>> In asking for donations to the OpenStack I included a link to
>> makelehighvalley.com and got several responses (4) just today that our
>> "site loads 1 in 4 attempts".  We noticed the issue previously while trying
>> to update the Wish List and several other pages on the wiki.  A cursory
>> review of the server doesn't show out any glaring site-specific issues.
>>
>> Just an FYI to the list - we're having trouble.  Josiah and I will be
>> looking into it with the host.
>>
>> J
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>
>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>
>>
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>
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From david at davincisciencecenter.org  Fri Nov 30 18:04:16 2012
From: david at davincisciencecenter.org (David Smith)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:04:16 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] World Maker Faire NYC 2013 - Bus Rental
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We don't have any vehicles that require a CDL.  When we need a bigger
vehicle, we have to hire one with a driver.  We do have a school bus
without seats, and Troy's dad, who has a school bus license, moves it for
us when we need to, but it is currently stored unused.

Dave

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Matthew Tuerk <mtuerk at allentownedc.com>wrote:

> How does Da Vinci solve the CDL issue for moving its stuff around?
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> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
>
> An idea I raised last year .... contact one of the "COMMUTER VAN POOL"
> companies that might go into Philly or some such .... they probably have
> VANs sitting idle on the weekends ....
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think having multiple vans is a better solution: smaller group
>> commitment, no need to pay for a driver, and no CDL. Given the number that
>> went last year, we would have had 2 vans. Would this be more cost effective?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Roschewsk <rob at pabut.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Or .... we explore the "multiple VANs" theory ... get a good rate on
>>> some commuter vans ... then you have smaller "commitment intervals" ....
>>> i.e. groups of 10 ...
>>>
>>> FYI ... my son's school bought a small school bus and have
>>> been running the teachers through getting their CDL just for the reason of
>>> class trips and sports events etc. because bus companies have become so
>>> outrageous ....
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Josiah Ritchie <
>>> josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do we have anyone around with a CDL who could do the driving for us at
>>>> a reduced rate?
>>>>
>>>> JSR/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:42 AM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  the average car gets 300 miles to a tank so... thats one compelete
>>>>> fill up and a 1/3rd of one so more like 40+13.33 but....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/29/2012 9:01 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you drive a Hummer ?? :) .. It's 206 miles from round trip
>>>>> from the HIVE to Citifield .... My car gets 30MPG on a BAD DAY ... rounding
>>>>> up that's 7 gallons ... at $4/gal that's still just $28 ... $20 for tolls,
>>>>> $10 parking ... OK so $58 ... That's still $14.50/person .... I'm just
>>>>> sayin' :)
>>>>>
>>>>> So $15 a person is probably a reasonable target.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm betting a good portion of the bus rate is the cost of the driver
>>>>> ....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:56 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  its cheaper then driving... figure its almost two tanks of gas and
>>>>>> probably 25 in tolls plus parking (which is probably about 8 bucks)
>>>>>> depending on fuel economy so about 133/4 so 33.25 yeah ok its not
>>>>>> cheaper.... still more environmentally friendly and the more we pack on the
>>>>>> bus the cheaper it gets (i figured 25 because that was our approximate
>>>>>> turnout for last year) if we fill the expensive bus it comes out to a
>>>>>> svelte (spell check) 21.45 per person. if we fill the cheap bus figuiring
>>>>>> it seats 40 its 12.50 a seat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/29/2012 5:32 PM, Rob Roschewsk wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just seems so counter intuitive ....you would think "mass transit"
>>>>>> (granted it's not real mass transit) would be cheaper than driving ....
>>>>>> these are all looking like $25 per person .... I had 4 people in my car it
>>>>>> it was no where NEAR $100 .. actual cost was probably <$50 ... Granted at
>>>>>> the IRS Mileage rate ($0.55/mi) you're getting to break even ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Sorry nothing constructive to add just ranting :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:18 PM, whatever <whatever at taggers.org>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  what other amenities do these buses have? because it looks like
>>>>>>> we're talking a $500 bathroom here.
>>>>>>> we could use two different bus companies possibly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> quick math if count on 25 (about what we had last year)
>>>>>>> its 47.20 per person nearly double.. unsurprisingly.
>>>>>>> On 11/29/2012 2:39 PM, Ellis Farmer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I have to work late again, so I won't see you all tonight,
>>>>>>> but...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Update on the bus rental: They seem kind of high.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *e.g. Here are a couple of the estimates:*
>>>>>>> 55ppl 10hrs $1,180+parking+tolls+$83PerAddl'Hr (includes 18%
>>>>>>> gratuity)
>>>>>>> 55ppl 14hrsMax $100/hr+parking+tolls
>>>>>>> fuel is included in both
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I just thought up a new idea yesterday... rent TWO buses
>>>>>>> for TWO 1-way trips.  This way we don't pay for the 6-8 hours we are not
>>>>>>> using it.  I don't think all the companies do it, but I'm looking into it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The school bus had a 10hr limit due to union restrictions, though I
>>>>>>> don't think other places have that limit.  *Were we at the fair
>>>>>>> long enough (obviously not, but seriously...)?*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We left the DaVinci center at 9am and were supposed to get back at
>>>>>>> 7pm, but *we got back at 9pm?  Did we leave the faire at 5pm?  Does
>>>>>>> anyone recall when we arrived at the faire?*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Ellis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Fri Nov 30 19:42:31 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:42:31 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Website Issues
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I just did some updates, disabled some modules that were never really used
in WordPress. Are you guys seeing these problems more on the wiki or on the
blog? I haven't been able to replicate the problem.

JSR/


On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Tyler Worman <tsworman at novaslp.net> wrote:

> I pay for a package with a hosting company (jaguarpc) for the last 7 or 8
> years. The site is hosted through them. It's just a big re-seller package
> which I barely use any of the space.
>
> Initial look at the logs show limits on memory and cpu in the last 24
> hours due to a bunch of hits to a different inactive website. It went from
> 1k-2k hits a month to 20k a month about 3 months ago for some reason. The
> php scripts running there are chewing memory/cpu.
>
> I archived the offending site. it shouldn't cause any more problems. My
> guess is bots were hitting it for some reason. We should back off the
> limits in 24 hours or so. Sorry about that!
>
> I'll open a ticket with Jaguar later tonight. The server load still looks
> a bit high and it is not our fault at the moment.
>
> The only two "active" domains on the package are my personal and
> makelehighvalley. We shouldn't have these type of issues.
>
> If we have any problems in the future, let me know and I'll look into them
> right away.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>wrote:
>
>> Hey Tyler!  Glad you're on the list!
>>
>> Reloading the page a few times can show out the problem, though
>> inconsistent.  Saving wiki changes produces the 500 error regularly.
>>
>> I'd say it started 2-3 months ago, although the site not loading at all
>> wasn't a symptom until recently for me. I was able to reproduce the issue
>> today with a few refreshes.
>>
>> Thanks so much for your help - let us know what you hear.  I actually
>> thought you were the host, ha!
>>
>> J (mobile)
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Tyler Worman <tsworman at novaslp.net> wrote:
>>
>> I didn't realize this was going on. Do you have any more information
>> about the issue or is that it? Let me open a ticket with the host.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:29 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We've had major site issues for weeks/months.  We discussed this to some
>>> degree last evening, several people noticed - many http 500's (the
>>> infamous, always-awesomely-detailed "Internal Server Error") and now the
>>> whole site periodically fails to load.
>>>
>>> In asking for donations to the OpenStack I included a link to
>>> makelehighvalley.com and got several responses (4) just today that our
>>> "site loads 1 in 4 attempts".  We noticed the issue previously while trying
>>> to update the Wish List and several other pages on the wiki.  A cursory
>>> review of the server doesn't show out any glaring site-specific issues.
>>>
>>> Just an FYI to the list - we're having trouble.  Josiah and I will be
>>> looking into it with the host.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Makelehighvalley mailing list
>>> Makelehighvalley at makelehighvalley.com
>>>
>>> http://makelehighvalley.com/mailman/listinfo/makelehighvalley_makelehighvalley.com
>>>
>>>
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From cmtonkinson at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 19:47:20 2012
From: cmtonkinson at gmail.com (Chris Tonkinson)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:47:20 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Website Issues
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What kind of server access do we have? APC makes a biiiiig difference for
hogs* like WordPress.

*platforms with such a large number of individual files

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2012, at 20:43, Josiah Ritchie <josiah at josiahritchie.com> wrote:

I just did some updates, disabled some modules that were never really used
in WordPress. Are you guys seeing these problems more on the wiki or on the
blog? I haven't been able to replicate the problem.

JSR/


On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Tyler Worman <tsworman at novaslp.net> wrote:

> I pay for a package with a hosting company (jaguarpc) for the last 7 or 8
> years. The site is hosted through them. It's just a big re-seller package
> which I barely use any of the space.
>
> Initial look at the logs show limits on memory and cpu in the last 24
> hours due to a bunch of hits to a different inactive website. It went from
> 1k-2k hits a month to 20k a month about 3 months ago for some reason. The
> php scripts running there are chewing memory/cpu.
>
> I archived the offending site. it shouldn't cause any more problems. My
> guess is bots were hitting it for some reason. We should back off the
> limits in 24 hours or so. Sorry about that!
>
> I'll open a ticket with Jaguar later tonight. The server load still looks
> a bit high and it is not our fault at the moment.
>
> The only two "active" domains on the package are my personal and
> makelehighvalley. We shouldn't have these type of issues.
>
> If we have any problems in the future, let me know and I'll look into them
> right away.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Jared Steckel <steckelj at jaredsroom.com>wrote:
>
>> Hey Tyler!  Glad you're on the list!
>>
>> Reloading the page a few times can show out the problem, though
>> inconsistent.  Saving wiki changes produces the 500 error regularly.
>>
>> I'd say it started 2-3 months ago, although the site not loading at all
>> wasn't a symptom until recently for me. I was able to reproduce the issue
>> today with a few refreshes.
>>
>> Thanks so much for your help - let us know what you hear.  I actually
>> thought you were the host, ha!
>>
>> J (mobile)
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Tyler Worman <tsworman at novaslp.net> wrote:
>>
>> I didn't realize this was going on. Do you have any more information
>> about the issue or is that it? Let me open a ticket with the host.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:29 PM, <steckelj at jaredsroom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We've had major site issues for weeks/months.  We discussed this to some
>>> degree last evening, several people noticed - many http 500's (the
>>> infamous, always-awesomely-detailed "Internal Server Error") and now the
>>> whole site periodically fails to load.
>>>
>>> In asking for donations to the OpenStack I included a link to
>>> makelehighvalley.com and got several responses (4) just today that our
>>> "site loads 1 in 4 attempts".  We noticed the issue previously while trying
>>> to update the Wish List and several other pages on the wiki.  A cursory
>>> review of the server doesn't show out any glaring site-specific issues.
>>>
>>> Just an FYI to the list - we're having trouble.  Josiah and I will be
>>> looking into it with the host.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
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From david at davincisciencecenter.org  Fri Nov 30 21:30:50 2012
From: david at davincisciencecenter.org (David Smith)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:30:50 -0500
Subject: [MakeLV] Fwd: Hello hive4a. We'd love for you to present at the
 upcoming PA Library Association Lehigh Valley conference
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I'd be happy to.  I'm also going to email him directly about the teen media
program that we are running in partnership with the Allentown Public
Library.

Dave

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Matthew Tuerk <mtuerk at allentownedc.com>wrote:

> Check out the following for what seems like a great marketing opportunity
> for the hackerspace.
>
> I spoke to Tim already and told him that I would be happy to talk about
> the institutional perspective of hosting a space. He's definitely
> interested in having one or two people from the space itself join the panel
> as well. Any takers?
>   Matthew Tuerk
>
> Assistant Director
> Allentown Economic Development Corporation
> (610) 435-8890 (w)
> mtuerk at allentownedc.com
>
> www.facebook.com/AllentownEDC
>
> @AllentownEDC
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> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *"Timothy Clarke" <TClarke at muhlenberg.edu>
> *Subject: **Hello hive4a. We'd love for you to present at the upcoming PA
> Library Association Lehigh Valley conference*
> *Date: *November 30, 2012 11:23:05 AM EST
> *To: *<info at hive4a.org>
>
>  Hi hive4a.org,
>
> My name is Tim Clarke, and I'm reaching out on behalf of the Lehigh Valley
> chapter of the Pennsylvania Library Association.  I serve on the conference
> committee, and we are in the process of lining up a great slate of
> presenters for our May 2013 conference, to be held at Muhlenberg College.
>
> I am particularly interested in twisting arms at hive4a/hackerspace/Make
> Lehigh Valley.  I'm looking to fill a 75-90 minute panel with three or four
> related presenters.  There is a growing convergence between Makespace
> culture and libraries.  I am certain many academic and public librarians
> would benefit greatly from your experiences and perspectives.
>
> I have commitments from the Hacktory in Philadelphia, the Mid-Atlantic
> Code4Lib folks, and possibly the West Philly Tool Library, too.  I think
> your group is a natural fit on this panel, and certainly the obvious local
> representative for the Lehigh Valley.
>
> I'm much more persuasive when corresponding by phone.  I'd love the chance
> to talk more about the upcoming conference.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> --Tim Clarke
> Head, Library Systems and Information Transfer Services
> Trexler Library, Muhlenberg College
> Phone:  484-664-3520
> Email:  tclarke at muhlenberg.edu
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